100gr .224" coated bullets

[tja6435]

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Swaged in my Corbin die set, non jacketed RBT and flat base, ULD profile. The ones I swaged from pure lead wire get the shoulder of the RBT rounded pretty quick while coating, the bullets swaged from wheel weight alloy keep a much sharper shoulder.

I can make these from 50gr up to around 105gr with the die set. Next die set on the list will probably be a .458 so I can make some bullets for the 458 socom

[Wolftracker]

I've been studying coatings. Glad someone here is trying it. Couple of questions. What is the final diameter, how do they group, at what velocity, and do they foul your barrel? Ok, more than a couple!:smile:

[tja6435]

Final diameter is around .226". Load development is still in progress. Test for fouling and rifle function showed zero lead fouling of the barrel. The patches came out darker than usual (with jacketed) but it pushed right out with a few patches---but those loads were ~3000fps as I was specifically testing the coating's ability at high power velocities.

[MUSTANG]

tja6435:

Interested in seeing more results on your efforts. I tried swaged lead .224's in my Corbin flat base dies (6 Ogive) and had poor results (see : See posts #23 through 26 at: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...t=#post2585532 (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?211708-224-65gr-SP-Pointed-Tip-Mould-Group-Buy%21&p=2585532&highlight=#post2585532) ).

1. What coating are you using?
2. Do you have any target groups to show? Group size for testing at 100 yards yet?
3. Interested in 1MOA or less at 100 Yards.

Please keep us updated with results; both positive and poor results. Some will see mashing lead without jacket as "Not Swaging"; others will acknowledge that mashing lead is another type of swaging. Some will treat this area as a "Specialized Machining Posting area". As for me; I like reading about them all and look forward to seeing how your efforts progress.


See posts #23 through 26 at: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...t=#post2585532 (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?211708-224-65gr-SP-Pointed-Tip-Mould-Group-Buy%21&p=2585532&highlight=#post2585532)

[bannor]

yes, if the price is competitive with jacketed, I am very interested.

[tja6435]

I suspect your lack of accuracy is due to the size of the bullet, I've found if you can size it at .226-.227", it fixes a lot of the shotgun patterning---even with lube groove bullets.

The coating is Hi-Tek Red Copper.

No 100y groups to share, these heavy bullets aren't being developed for that.

[BK7saum]

Interesting...Are these for a subsonic .22? These are heavy enough to be effective in the .22 caliber application.

Brad

[firefly1957]

I have a old set of .224 swage dies made to make bullets with 22 long rifle cases I tried putting 55 gr .185 cores that were coated with Harbor Freight red powder coat paint though them accuracy was terrible due to a burr on the base. I then tried a run with a gas check using a spent large pistol primer with the anvil removed they shot well and neither bullet fouled the bore at all. I have not played with them again i also noticed a bit of black fouling that cleaned right out these loads were in the 3000 f/s range in the 223 Remington. I have no picture of the groups but do of the bullets. Note wire is coated then swaged.

[tja6435]

I actually will cast, coat and then swage as well, makes cleaning the lube off way easier.

[tja6435]

109530109527Not sure why upside down, but here's a ~63.4gr cast Saeco/NOE 221 slick side next to the same bullet swaged down to 60.0gr FB and a 62.0gr RBT. The WW alloy keeps way better shoulders during tumbling for coating applications.

[Wolftracker]

So, you swage after coating? Nothing transferred to your swage die? They look really good and it would be nice to have the option of medium to high velocity bullets without expensive jackets and with excellent accuracy. I could live with that!

[tja6435]

I swage before and after coating, depending on what weight I'm making. Either/or, I still have to coat after the swage process to ensure complete coverage. I have had no problems with coating sticking inside the swage die, I just run a q-tip down into it when the nose begins not filling out completely and that fixes it. I've been looking at making a longer ejector pin to allow me to hollowpoint some bullets, but I have plenty of things to proof first before I get to that.

[475AR]

Any update on this? How well did the HY Tek coating work?

[Wolftracker]

Possibly accuracy with coated lead bullets would be better with lower velocity loads? 1800 fps or lower, even with some sort of gas check? Worth a try as long as it cycles a semi-auto or you have a bolt action or single shot. There are guys (old like me) in my neck of the woods who like to play with slow, heavy cast bullets in .308.

[bruce drake]

what rifle are you using those 100gr boolits in? .223 Rem with 1-7/1-8 twists or a wildcat slow-twist 22-250/22-308/22-06? I own a 22-250 but it's 1-14" twist would never handle that big of a boolit.

Most of us who shoot High Power Rifle Matches with 223 Rem ARs stop at 90gr for our heavies but that is to put those long and slow needles out with max loads from 600 yards. I use 75gr A-Max as my heaviest loaded 223 Rem loads with 68gr MiHec cast bullets my usual fare for 200-300 yard matches.

Bruce