Who is Paper Patching??

[idahoron]

On another thread I was surprised that a couple guys said that they were patching. SO that got me wondering how many guys here are doing it? Ron

[ratboy]

I is.

[JeffinNZ]

Yeap. I have a .40cal hollow base (faux Minie) bullet I paper patch for my .40cal Wesson. Bare in 40-1 alloy the bullets are .396 so from day one I patched them with 9lb paper and they measure .402-.403 and SHOOT.

[DIRT Farmer]

I have a 45 1-18 Renagade that I patch for then the Gibbs and volenteer

[Fly]

I have & do some.I just never stayed with it enough to get it down.I wish green mountain
still made fast twist barrels like yours.I want to make a hot rod T/C as yours to paper patch
bullets for.

Fly

[greywuuf]

I am trying but failing miserably.

[Nobade]

In muzzleloading rifles, I either patch balls with cloth for ball guns or boolits with paper for boolit guns. I never fire grease groove boolits any more. Sabots don't count - I have never used those and don't plan to.

-Nobade

[Boz330]

I have & do some.I just never stayed with it enough to get it down.I wish green mountain
still made fast twist barrels like yours.I want to make a hot rod T/C as yours to paper patch
bullets for.

Fly

Just get a GM BPCR barrel and breach it. You have all of the equipment to do it. I'm sure that TC will sell you the breach plug.

Bob

[Fly]

Great Idea, Bob.I will check that out.
Fly

[RPRNY]

Yes. 45 BPM rifle, 30-40 Krag and 30-30. My best results have consistently been with 9lbs onion skin. It took a while to get technique down but the biggest hurdle is to patch to throat, ie a comfortable but tightish seating in the throat with the paper quite close to the lands, so that the primer explosion seats it into the lands.

[Hardcast416taylor]

YUP!Robert

[gandydancer]

Have been doing PP for many years & still learning. stopped for a few years due to many surgery's & recovery time. "I"M back baby"

[Themoose]

I'm just beginning, with better results than I expected in Knight .45 Disc with bare primer conversion and a parts gun(TC Hawken style with .45 GM LRH barrel. Thanks to Ron for getting me started and Johnson1942 for helping with BH209. If someone is looking for a fast twist GM Barrel in .50... there is one selling today on EBAY.

[johnson1942]

do both the double wrap and single chase wrap. love those push through bullet sizers. love paperpatching. reliable easy and accurate.

[mikeym1a]

I am trying this. I'm in poor health, and have to have one of my sons with me to go to the range. Their schedules and mine don't often coincide. BUT, I have four guns with multiple patched loads just waiting for a trip to the range. I find it facinating. mikey

[Fly]

Mikey I wish I lived close, for I would take you.

Fly

[Nobade]

Fly - TC doesn't have parts any more, but The Gunworks in Oregon bought up what they had. They, and Track Of The Wolf also sell reproduction castings that fit TCs and are actually a better way to go since they have a very small chamber in them that can be opened up to fit whatever caliber barrel you choose to use. You can make yourself a better barrel than GM sold, and it'll be all custom!

-Nobade

[zuke]

Been patching for my 45-70's for year's, but am just getting into a 577-450

[deep creek]

you cot me into this three years ago ron .AND I CANT STOPPPPPPPP!!!!!!! most accurate kills em dead:)

[rhbrink]

Ron I tried the mold that you suggested for the 50 cal Green Mountain replacement barrel for a TC Renegade, it's the Lee 501 440 grain bullet. I never did get the dry patching to hold on the bullet but used the wet patch method and it shoots wonderful.

Thank you for your effort!

Richard

[johnson1942]

stonewall creek outfitters sells tc breech plugs. sell some other tc parts also. a replacement trigger. locks and tangs can be bought on ebay. repacement stocks can be had from 2or 3 other sources. best to get a tc renagade butt plate off of ebay, easy to put on a new stock and less recoil felt. also buy a tc hawken or renagade with a junk barrel but the rest is ok. lots of ways to go to get a good paperpatch gun. those underhammers are nice also. stone creek outfitters phone number is 1-434- 993- 3557. they are on the internet also. i really like douglas barrels but i have two oregon rifle barrel co. barrels and they are very very well made also. their specs. are perfect as you ordered it.

[ResearchPress]

I paper patch for my muzzle loading match rifles and BPCR.

David

[greywuuf]

It has been suggested to me that if I were to share details of my failures that perhaps the collectiveb could offer up particular pointers......so, my set up is the cheapest traditional kit gun I could find locally......a traditions St. Louis Hawken. 50 cal, percussion side lock, compromise 1:48 twist, 26 or so inches long. Holy Black is an explosive for shipping an storing pourposes making it unavailable at any price within several hundred miles of me...have burned pyrodex RD and trip 7 ..have SHOT patched round, and cast TC maxi's out of it....played with patching material and 490 and 495 hornady balls....so far the only thing I can actually say is I have not happened on any thing it does particularly well. The maxi's are showing the most promise, buy since I have no soft lead I got tired of them in a hurry.

This all lead me to imagine that s compromise bullet might work...I had a bunch of bullets cast up for the Beowulf, just under 400 grain .503 from a Mihec mould. Sized em in a Lee .501 push through and the pretty much come out just at bore size .....only paper I have been able to get two wraps through the sizer again is kitchen parchment and is will not stay tight. tried a single wrap of tracing paper and stuck that in the bore trying to load ....I am pretty sure I need a smaller sized....and son e softer lead.... And I guess I should actually find out what's up with my gun that it won't shoot anything to point of aim......think it might be time to address wedge tightening, and barrel scrubbing....Might have leaded it worse than I though with the maxis. Though they shot the best of any.

[johnson1942]

greywuuf. to paper patch a 1/48 twist .50 cal you will need to find a bullet that is .75 long. .75 will be stable in a 1/48 twist .50 cal. it should be very blunt nosed so you can keep the weight up. now you will need to pushthrough size it down to .492 diam. those dies are cheap. the easiest way to get a bullet like that is buy a cheap lee mould that is for a roundball smaller than .50 diam. then carefully drill with a .50 sharp drill bit .75 into the center of the round ball cavity of the mould. that will be your bullet with a good short nose. now resize that to .492. then read all the stuff idaho ron with pictures has put on here about paperpatching. use number nine onion skin paper and the two wrap method. wet or dry makes no diff. they both work. buy some .50 cal felt or fiber wads from some one like buffalo arms. use one or the other between bullet and powder. ron uses pyrodex with good results, stick with that. clean between shots enough so the next bullet goes down with out diff. their you are. cheap and easy and your will be driveing tacks like the rest of us.

[greywuuf]

Only concept I am having trubke with is final size of patched bullet "assembly".....if I patch to Bore size....so it can be loaded....what holds the rifling? Will the bullet obdurate? And if so how hard can I go? Lead I have on hand is ww...maybe even harder ....

[NVScouter]

Fly - TC doesn't have parts any more, but The Gunworks in Oregon bought up what they had. They, and Track Of The Wolf also sell reproduction castings that fit TCs and are actually a better way to go since they have a very small chamber in them that can be opened up to fit whatever caliber barrel you choose to use. You can make yourself a better barrel than GM sold, and it'll be all custom!

-Nobade

Has S&W dropped T/C's muzzle loader stuff too?

[johnson1942]

idaho ron know about hardness. i just use what i have. nothing harder than 20 to one, most softer. the final size of your bullet should be 1 to 2 thousands under the top of the lands diam. when the explosion hits the wad beteen the powder and the base of the bullet the bullet usually bumps up to full bottom of groove size with in the first 11 inches of the barrel. its a wonderment but it works every time again again and again. wars were fought with paperpatched bullets and a lot of buffalo were shot with them. and to day a lot of paperpatch are comeing out of gun muzzles. next fall im going to hunt with paperpatch in both the 45/70 season (rifle) and the muzzle loader season. useing the method i posted for your gun you should be shooting pp soon. its boreing, it always works.

[Fly]

How do you know how long the bullet should be?

Fly

[Good Cheer]

.40 and .69 mostly.

[greywuuf]

107074

[johnson1942]

length of bullet is calculated by the bore diam. and the twist of the rifleing. the green hill formula works quite well for this type of shooting. for ultra fast modern rifles, one can make the twist a little faster than the green hill indcates but it is a reliable standard.

[Nobade]

Has S&W dropped T/C's muzzle loader stuff too?

Yep. They still do inlines but all the sidelock stuff got sold off.

Greenhill = [(groove dia)^2 * 150]/twist = bullet length. Or, everything over bullet length instead of twist to give you the twist you need.

-Nobade

[greywuuf]

Well aware of the Greenhill and it's limitations....been playing with fast twist subs, and ultra long low drag long range bullets for some time, the only new thing to me is the paper (and the whole undersized bullet thing) and the fact that I don't seem to be able to make this side lock shoot ANYTHING well.

[Good Cheer]

.40 and .69 mostly.

The .40 is .401 bore, 16" twist, 32" long 15/16" barrel.
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/0ShebaA_zpse3ddf7e5.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/0ShebaA_zpse3ddf7e5.jpg.html)
The .69 is an Armisport two band 1847 musket.
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/1847FremontWithSling_zps0b0cf133.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/1847FremontWithSling_zps0b0cf133.jpg.html)
Other projects:
Patching slugs for the .458 bore x 24" twist TC New Englander. I've patched Keith SWC's in it but not heavies.
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/My45rifle_zpsca0189c6.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/My45rifle_zpsca0189c6.jpg.html)
The 22" GM drop-in .50 fast twist carbine barrel. Had a mold put together for it years ago by Erik (HPM), worked up some loads and kinda forgot about it!
Kept it around for box stand hunting and haven't had the chance to use it.
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/Ren-1_zps2914b51d.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/Ren-1_zps2914b51d.jpg.html)

[Rattus58]

I have & do some.I just never stayed with it enough to get it down.I wish green mountain
still made fast twist barrels like yours.I want to make a hot rod T/C as yours to paper patch
bullets for.

FlyThere are a number of barrel makers out there that could solve that problem for you I'm sure... :grin::cool:

[johnson1942]

cast up 140 .440 slugs and swaged them into 140 486 grain .440 pp bullets this morning. was 1/2 way through wrapping them with number nine onion skin paper when a thought occured to me that may be 20 pound coumputer paper would go around once and come out the same as 2 number nine wraps. well it about does so i quit double wrapping at that point and cut out a bounch of rectangels out of 20 pound paper and lubed one side of them with alox. waiting for them to dry so i can try the single wrap system on that .440 bullet also. no reason it shouldnt shoot well.also ran out of 60 thousands fiber wad material so found some rubber cork gasket material and cut a couple of hundred wads out of that. same thickness as the fibermaterial their abouts and weighs 1/10 of grain less. should shoot well also. we will see. let you all know how it turns out.

[johnson1942]

well shot both the .45 and .50 fastwist with a .440 and .492 single wrapped chase wrapped bullets useing the 20 pound computer paper and they shot perfectly. they loaded a tad firmer that the double wrapped with number nine onion skin but not with any difficulity at all. if weather allows a friend of mine and i are going to try both guns at 400 to 500 yards tomorrow.

[Good Cheer]

Any yall take your micrometers to the book section of charity resale shops?

[Fly]

My problem is I own a Gibbs, & in east Okla there is no place to shoot over 200 yds.
Now my son lives in Tucson Az

Flt

[Fly]

My problem is I own a Gibbs, & in east Okla there is no place to shoot over 200 yds.
Now my son lives in Tucson Az & the game changes when out there.

Fly