Webley I just bought , now the learning curve starts (with pics)

[shakerattlenroll]

Since this is my first Antique ;)
Tracking information shows I should have it on the 5th

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z60/63meteors33/webley/PairofWebleyRIC040_zps52306afb-Copy_zpsd1ef4ff6.jpg~original
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z60/63meteors33/webley/PairofWebleyRIC025_zps89a512e5-Copy_zps84b6c8a7.jpg~original
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z60/63meteors33/webley/PairofWebleyRIC029_zpsa5dd45aa-Copy_zps87a34aca.jpg~original
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z60/63meteors33/webley/PairofWebleyRIC022_zps77bdf43c-Copy_zps81bd8dac.jpg~original
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z60/63meteors33/webley/PairofWebleyRIC024_zps98638187.jpg~original

[shakerattlenroll]

I have no reloading equipment and have never reloaded before.
But It looks like I am about to start, I did not buy this to hang it on the wall.

Yesterday I took a shot at ebay(yes most stuff cant be exported)

This one ships here and I think it is critical reloading tool I need , well I hope it is a good start lol

http://www.ebay.com/itm/301176693414?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

[jrmartin1964]

Very cool! However I hope you are aware it is not a Webley, rather it is a copy made in Belgium.
The marking on cylinder face (E/LG/*) indicates definitive proved for Black Powder prior to July 11, 1893, at the poof house in Liege.

Jim

[shakerattlenroll]

Very cool! However I hope you are aware it is not a Webley, rather it is a copy made in Belgium.
The marking on cylinder face (E/LG/*) indicates definitive proved for Black Powder prior to July 11, 1893, at the poof house in Liege.

Jim

Lol I had no idea it was not a Webley.
That is not as important as the proof mark proving date of manufacture prior to 1893 ;-)
But Its a little sad , as it was advertised as a Webley
Any and all information is a great help :-)

[singleshotman]

If it doesn't have the Webley "Flying Bullet logo" it is not the real thing. I once owned a Webley M and P in .450 Webley but it was stolen by my fathers drug addict girlfriend. I bet she got all of $20 out of it.

[texassako]

I would break out the measuring tools before getting to many reloading pieces. Is it marked with the caliber? The Belgians could have chambered it in all sorts of calibers and then some. I think you may find it is something along the lines of a .44 Bulldog rather than the .455 Webley cartridge since there is only 2 years of possible overlap. I always start here when I plan to load for one of these antiques, and I have several I shoot: http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/revolver.htm . I slug for bore size and get any measurements I can get out of the cylinder. I have one that is not on that long list and another cartridge marked revolver very different from what it says it is. I then cobble together at least one piece of brass if it locks up good and times right to see if it will still set off a primer or destined to be a wall hanger. If there is a makers code under the grip panels or elsewhere, you may find some info here: http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/a%20a%20site%20belge%20gb.htm

[shakerattlenroll]

Might be well off to send to a smith ..this is a little over me at this point.
plus I dont have the tools to do it.

I directed the seller to this, he advised me that it will chamber it.
but that it is an over powered load (smokless powder).
And that he had fired handloads (black or equivelent)
But on the other hand ..He also told me it is a Webley...
https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/50-round-box-of-fiocchi-webley-455-ammo/


I would break out the measuring tools before getting to many reloading pieces. Is it marked with the caliber? The Belgians could have chambered it in all sorts of calibers and then some. I think you may find it is something along the lines of a .44 Bulldog rather than the .455 Webley cartridge since there is only 2 years of possible overlap. I always start here when I plan to load for one of these antiques, and I have several I shoot: http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/revolver.htm . I slug for bore size and get any measurements I can get out of the cylinder. I have one that is not on that long list and another cartridge marked revolver very different from what it says it is. I then cobble together at least one piece of brass if it locks up good and times right to see if it will still set off a primer or destined to be a wall hanger. If there is a makers code under the grip panels or elsewhere, you may find some info here: http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/a%20a%20site%20belge%20gb.htm

[texassako]

There are several cartridges with similar specs to the .455, mostly length and bullet diameter differences. Sounds like you could get rolling with some .455 cases, a proper sized bullet, and a case full of black powder. A gunsmith inspection is never a bad idea with old guns you want to shoot.

[richhodg66]

This is a thread on a similar looking revolver I picked up in a very lucky situation a while back;

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-145833.html

I still haven't done anything with it. I think I could shoot it OK, just haven't done much else than stuck a .45 ACP case in the chambers and the fit was good, but the case was about 1/8" too long.

A fairly recent Gun Digest had a lengthy article on British Bulldog revolvers and included a lot of information on all of them, including the ones made in Belgium. Not sure if I still have the book, I'll look around.

[shakerattlenroll]

Lol I can hope this was a lucky find.
I figured it might have been a rich mans gun that was sent to be dressed up..
have not got it in my possession as of yet , but by the end of the week i will.
It looks to long to be a bulldog.
I had side by side photos up and scaled them with the trigger gaurd.
this one seems longer.

I had noticed the diffrence in the trigger and in front of the cylinder.
now after looking into the copy ...
I see the cylinder is smooth and that is a diffrence as well.

This is my very first wheelgun..




This is a thread on a similar looking revolver I picked up in a very lucky situation a while back;

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-145833.html

I still haven't done anything with it. I think I could shoot it OK, just haven't done much else than stuck a .45 ACP case in the chambers and the fit was good, but the case was about 1/8" too long.

A fairly recent Gun Digest had a lengthy article on British Bulldog revolvers and included a lot of information on all of them, including the ones made in Belgium. Not sure if I still have the book, I'll look around.

[richhodg66]

Don't mean to hijack the topic of the thread, but I thought handguns were illegal in Canada. What kind of hoops does a guy have to jump through to satisfy the powers that be there?

[shakerattlenroll]

Some are prohibited.
Some are restricted.
This one is not a firearm as per our law .
As long as I am 18 I can buy it and it can be fired where I shoot my non restricted rifles (it is Antique)
But you need a licence to buy factory ammo for it..
I dont have my restricted licence (and I dont do ranges anyhow) so this was bought as a one finger salute to "The Man" hahahaha.

Looks simalar to the one in the linked post ^^^

But I paid a lot more for mine.....omg a lot more....



Don't mean to hijack the topic of the thread, but I thought handguns were illegal in Canada. What kind of hoops does a guy have to jump through to satisfy the powers that be there?

[richhodg66]

Something I have considered doing with mine is just trimming down .45 ACP cases to fit the chamber length (since it uses an ejector rod like a single action, the rimless case shouldn't be a problem) and then just shooting wax bullets with a primer only like you use for indoor target shooting, but I haven't done it yet.

I kind of look at mine as a neat old gun I happened on by chance, and if I never shoot it, I never shoot it. I like neat, old revolvers and this one is something a guy can envision Sherlock Holmes carrying. The ergonomics of it are surprisingly good, it fits my hand well and points nicely, it was a state of the art combat handgun 120 years ago.

[shakerattlenroll]

Yes , even if I cant shoot this one for some reason.
I have a feeling I will end up with another.
on the forum I purchased this one (CGN) There is a very nice looking one .
I believe it is a genuine Webley like the one you have thats a copy.
But ...1600$ lol.....

I paid 975$ cdn for this one (shipped Canada post exp with tracking)



Something I have considered doing with mine is just trimming down .45 ACP cases to fit the chamber length (since it uses an ejector rod like a single action, the rimless case shouldn't be a problem) and then just shooting wax bullets with a primer only like you use for indoor target shooting, but I haven't done it yet.

I kind of look at mine as a neat old gun I happened on by chance, and if I never shoot it, I never shoot it. I like neat, old revolvers and this one is something a guy can envision Sherlock Holmes carrying. The ergonomics of it are surprisingly good, it fits my hand well and points nicely, it was a state of the art combat handgun 120 years ago.