300gr LEE in 454?

[dk17hmr]

I just placed an order with Midway for the Lee 300gr Flat nose gas check 6 cav mold, along with 1000 45 cal gas checks. Anyone use this bullet in 454?

Not sure what I am looking for in velocity just something accurate out of my SRH, that will knock down a deer. Any load data with this bullet or any other 300gr will help me out, I am having a hard time finding 454 load data for cast bullet and have only found limited data for jacketed bullets. The only manual I have that shows 454 is my nosler book and they only list lighter bullets.

[marsofold]

Lee Manual 2007: 300grain Lead Bullet / Accurate powders:
5744 24.3grains->1260fps, 27.0grains->1432fps@45,500CUP
1680 27.0grains->1229fps, 30.0grains->1397fps@33,700CUP
#9 18.9grains->1228fps, 21.0grains->1396fps@30,200CUP

I too am interested in any reliable 5744 data for the 255SWC lead bullets that I load.

[Johnch]

I use jacketed start loads as my max and let accuracy and leading guide me [smilie=1:[smilie=1:[smilie=1:

This is from Hodgdon's site
300 GR. CPB LFN GC Trail Boss .452" 1.800" 6.5 767 14,900 CUP 8.0 865 23,900 CUP

I have used 7 gr load for plinking , super accurate out of my Ruger SRH

I have some loads I worked up 3 or 4 years back with that bullet and HS-6 and Blue Dot in the 1000 FPS to 1300 fps

I will look for them

John

[454PB]

I use Lil'Gun, H-110, WW 296, and Bluedot with that boolit in all my .454's. If you just need enough power for deer, 16 grs. of Bluedot will do the trick at around 1200 fps. depending on barrel length.

You can use jacketed bullet load data if weight and COL are correct. Jacketed bullets generally produce more pressure than a comparable cast boolit. Work loads up as with any new load recipe.

[Dr. A]

I've used several powders with that gun, but prefer AA#9. Its got the ability to go moderate speeds in the 45 Colt ( plinking loads for the 454), and near top velocity loads in the 300gr. Use the Accurate Arms data available online. With that boolit, you can use 1200fps and up as a guideline. The meplat that comes with the 6 cavity Lee is not as large as the 2 cavity. Its still accurate, and still kills well enough. My efforts with the RCBS SWC 300gr. have been a bit better. A somewhat better boolit design for this gun.

[Lloyd Smale]

Dr A is in agreement with me. The lee bullet is a hell of a hunting bullet but in my testing doesnt do that great at lower levels. It needs a little push to get real good groups. The rcbs 300 swcgc is the best dammed 45 bullet out there. Ive yet to find a gun that didnt shoot that bullet well at about any velocity and it kills real well too. If i had to have only one heavy 45 colt bullet it would hands down be the one. I know alot of guys dont believe in a inherantly accurate bullet and think that any bullet can be made to shoot and its probably right but ive found both light and heavy 44s that seem to shoot well in all my guns at about any velocity level. In the 45s ive found only this bullet and sure wish i could find the majic 45 bullet at around 250 grain but I been trying for 20 years and havent found it yet. Ive actually got one that qualifys. its a 255 rcbs mold but rcbs decide years ago that i didnt need such a good bullet and changed the design and the new one doesnt shoot near as well. I think a guy could fill a 45 colt case with sand and rocks prime it and put a 300 rcbs in it and shoot a decent group.

[DEVERS454]

Do you folks seat to the upper or lower crimp groove? OAL?

I have use A2400 and Win296. Might go back to Bluedot.

[GSPKurt]

I am heading to the range today with some 255 swc's over Blue Dot, and 325 wfngc's over H110 for my SRH Casull. I'll report in later or tomorrow.

[454PB]

I use the rear crimp groove in my handguns, and the front one in my Puma rifle. This makes a BIG difference, so be careful changing seating depth. If you worked up your load using the rear groove, back off the powder charge at least 10% for the deeper seating.

[bearcove]

Go to beartooth bullets website they have a load data area. back off the hot loads but there are lots of milder loads also.

[dk17hmr]

Got the mold and made a few hunderd. I really like the bullet, looks like once I get it shooting good will make a great hunting bullet.

I tired 2400 powder today, 21, 22, 22.5grs of it with the bullet seated to the front crimp groove. I wasnt really impressed with the groups, but it is 7 degrees out today, 4" for 6 shots at 50 yards off the bench.

I would be interested to hear some loads others have worked up. 2400 and Bluedot loads would be interesting to me.

[odoh]

I stumble onto RamShot website and their RamShot 'Enforcer' looked intriguing for the 454. For lighter loads ~ 'True Blue' looks interesting. Will try'em out shortly

[azcoyhunter]

My Question is....


What do you think of TiteGroup?

HS6?

As I have these 2 powders (More TiteGroup)

I have the same Lee Mould, (2 Holer)

What do you think about using the same powder same bullet

45LC and .454 Casull


Do I need Gas Checks?

Clint

[Dr. A]

Both can be useful powders. The powder curve on the Titegroup is a bit different than most. Some of the data is a bit misleading. I've run into pressure signs way before max in the 357 with this powder. I like it for lower pressure, and I mean much less pressure loads with lighter bullets. (not 28,000 CUP like some of the Hodgdon loads.) I've found HS-6 to be very accurate in the Colt and 454. Good velocity with less powder.

Both can be easily double charged.!

That bullet is more accurate with gas checks.

I prefer the RCBS 270 and 300gr. in the 454. Much better accuracy, and prefer Trail Boss (10gr.) in the Casull case with that 270gr. bullet. Its a very accurate load just below 1100fps. Could probably be doing the same with titegroup, but not near as safely.

[azcoyhunter]

Dr. A

How much powder do you use?

TiteGroup?
HS 6?

Thanks for any info?

[Dr. A]

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

I'd use the 45 Colt data in either case. Again, I prefer the Trail Boss for the lower pressure loads. Freedom Arms also has data on their sight for HS-6 with jacketed bullets. Using 454 cases, you sometimes need to experiment, and use the jacketed loads as a guidline.

I've done up to 9 gr. of Titegroup and 12gr. of HS-6. Study the pressures on this sight. Pressure goes up VERY fast with titegroup when you have it maxed out. If you don't have confidence in your powder measure, reconsider.

I feel safer using AA#9 with 30,000CUP loadings. The case is much more full, and is measured very easily. With 45 Colt and 454 cases, you can use this bullet from 1100fps to 1600fps pretty easily

I love 12gr. of HS-6 and my 270 RCBS SWC in the 45 Colt. One of the most balanced loads I shoot.

[DanWalker]

I just placed an order with Midway for the Lee 300gr Flat nose gas check 6 cav mold, along with 1000 45 cal gas checks. Anyone use this bullet in 454?

Not sure what I am looking for in velocity just something accurate out of my SRH, that will knock down a deer. Any load data with this bullet or any other 300gr will help me out, I am having a hard time finding 454 load data for cast bullet and have only found limited data for jacketed bullets. The only manual I have that shows 454 is my nosler book and they only list lighter bullets.
Hi Doug,
I've been shooting this boolit for about 7 years now in my 45LC's.
I get 1500fps from 20 grains of 2400 under it when fired from the 16"bbl of my win 94 trapper carbine. This is a MAX load for 45LC and I don't suggest it to anyone. It's safe in my guns, but it may blow other people's up.
I wish I could've cought you before you ordered that 6 cavity mould. LEE changed the nose design to a more rounded profile. The 2 cavity I have is the basis for the HAMMER boolit GB we just got in. If i were you I'd sell the 6 cav on FLEABAY and buy one of the 2 cavity models with the wider meplat. The punch of these boolits is terrific. I've killed, deer, hogs and antelope with them and they never fail to exit. I also get pronounced hydraulic effect quite often.(Blood shoots back out the entrance hole on impact)
The accuracy of these big slugs is quite remarkable. I load them over 6.5 grains of RED DOT and use them to small game hunt with. I've killed quite a few prairie dogs and a boatload of bunnies with my 5 1/2" blackhawk, shooting this load.
At 250 yards, with a good seated rest, braced over my knees, it isn't a difficult trick to keep a cylinder full of them on a 5 gallon bucket sized rockpile I often shoot at.
I'd like to experiment with Hollowpointing some of them, just to see how they perform on antelope. While expansion isn't really necessary in a 45 caliber boolit, it sure can't hurt. I'm envisioning something with a gaping hollow point. Kinda like a SUPER devastator.