I aint going to shoot it, you shoot it, Mikey will shoot it.......

[hightime]

My local gun shop just got a beautiful Uberti rolling block. It's called a 1871 Carbine, 22'' round barrel. It's sooooo nice, a little lightweight, seems like only about four pounds. . It should have been in 45 Colt, 44-40 or even a 357, but no it's a 45-70. I like a 45-70, I have some, but this gun looks too light and I have a tender shoulder. I think I'd like to find one in 45 Colt, then I'll bite.

Owen

[zuke]

Use trailboss and enjoy the little rifle.

[hightime]

You might have a point. I'm going to go look up a mold for a light 458 diam. bullet.

Anybody shoot collar button bullets?

Owen

[Janoosh]

Round ball and a little powder. ..great fun at 50 yds..No need to resize.

[bob208]

i was thinking who would want something like that. but then i remembered i shoot a 66 sharps carbine in .50-70. but i will tell you there is a reason they made a carbine load for the carbines in both the .50 and the .45.

[Clay M]

Just keep the old .45/70 down around black powder velocities and the recoil is fine. The nice thing about a .45/70 in a strong action, it can be as mild or wild as you want.

[JHeath]

+1, you liked it well enough to tell us about it. Which means you want it, and will be thinking about it still after somebody else walks out the door with it.

I had a Rossi .454 and with 300gr CorBon it was pretty much like a .45-70 in too small a carbine for me. I fired two rounds and set it aside.

I could have taped over the caliber stamping, written ".45 Colt" on it, walked around the block, told myself it was a different gun now, and enjoyed it.

[kopperl]

310 grain cast over 12 grains Unique Holds about 1.5" at 75 yards. Use it in my H&R carbine.
Tried it in a 12" Contender barrel. Once.

[hightime]

+1, you liked it well enough to tell us about it. Which means you want it, and will be thinking about it still after somebody else walks out the door with it. ''quote''

Just keep the old .45/70 down around black powder velocities and the recoil is fine. The nice thing about a .45/70 in a strong action, it can be as mild or wild as you want. ''quote''

You guys have a good point. Now that I think about both these statements, it comes to be, I've been thinking BP in 45-70, but not quite will to gum up my Marlin, this roller would be good for that.

[Mk42gunner]

The carbine load for trapdoors 45-55-405 came about because the .45-70-405 recoiled too much in the trapdoor carbines, which weigh about twice what you say the Uberti weighs.

This is a copy of the No. 2 Remington, which Remington didn't chamber in anything larger than .44-40, to my knowledge.

I'd still like to have one chambered in a small handgun sized cartridge.

Robert

[swamp]

I cast a 150gr. collar button if you would like to try some. Lots of fun.

swamp

[NavyVet1959]

Whereas I have no experience with that particular rifle, I have found that the .45-70 with 9-13 gr of Red Dot (920-1157 fps) and a 405 gr cast bullet to be more of a "push" than a "kick" (in a Marlin).

http://www.gmdr.com/lever/4570g405_dat.htm

That's not to say that you couldn't load it to even lower velocity.

Lee has a 2-cavity 0.457" round ball mold that is supposedly 143 gr. Depending upon the .45-70, that might be a good diameter.

[Whiterabbit]

round ball with BP in the case sounds awesome. Seat ball with thumb, you could shoot the same 5 pieces of brass all day a the range with nothing more than a punch and a primer seater.

[Grapeshot]

My local gun shop just got a beautiful Uberti rolling block. It's called a 1871 Carbine, 22'' round barrel. It's sooooo nice, a little lightweight, seems like only about four pounds. . It should have been in 45 Colt, 44-40 or even a 357, but no it's a 45-70. I like a 45-70, I have some, but this gun looks too light and I have a tender shoulder. I think I'd like to find one in 45 Colt, then I'll bite.

Owen

You won't like the .45 Colt in that RB. I had one and I had major issues extracting the cases after firing. I sent it out to a fellow in Nebraska and had it rebored and chambered for .50-56 Spencer. Best decision I ever made.

[hightime]

I'm leaning to ordering the same rifle in 357. Thanks for your story.

[TCLouis]

10.5 grains of Unique with 300 - 375 grain boolit.

About 1000 - 1100 fps and likely to be pleasant to shoot even in that gun.

I agree that it is really the perfect weight for a 357 or 45 LC though..

[Texantothecore]

round ball with BP in the case sounds awesome. Seat ball with thumb, you could shoot the same 5 pieces of brass all day a the range with nothing more than a punch and a primer seater.


That's what I do or close. It tickles the heck out of one the old range officers.

[flint45]

15.0 gr. of trail boss and 300 gr. cast in my .45-70 work great very accurate.

[Freightman]

45/70 can be loaded anyhow you want from not any more recoil than a 22 mag. to OH MY!

[Good Cheer]

I keep threatening to get a 45-70 carbine for the LBT .458 WFN GC mold but got a muzzleloading .458 bore fast twist instead!

[Dan Cash]

I have a baby 1874 Sharps .38-55 that was a prize at a rifle match. It is still unfired. My 93 Marlin .38-55 kicks enough. The baby Sharps keeps getting eyballed for a .32-20 sleeve job. John Taylor, are you listening??

[earshot]

Shooting a .45-70 with extremely mild loads is against the round's purpose IMO. Might as well get a .38 cal and enjoy low costs as well as low recoil. The .45-70 loaded fully with black and a soft 405 gr.lee bullet already has very low recoil.

[bbqncigars]

You could run 10.5gr of Unique behind a 405gr boolit. Very low recoil and less than 2" groups at 100yds in three different rifles.

[NavyVet1959]

Shooting a .45-70 with extremely mild loads is against the round's purpose IMO. Might as well get a .38 cal and enjoy low costs as well as low recoil. The .45-70 loaded fully with black and a soft 405 gr.lee bullet already has very low recoil.

Depends on what you're going to be hunting. If you're planning on taking a whitetail doe, it doesn't make sense to use the same load that you would use for hunting 300+ lb hogs.

[3leggedturtle]

If its a good price, you could have NOE or one of the other custom mold makers do a .460 diameter 200 to 250gr RNFP. I shot 350gr boolits out of a 5.5lb contender carbine. 15 shots were fun, 25 not so.

[hightime]

112561You talked me into it. I bought it today. Thanks, I love it! Here's my grandson with it. Tomorrow I'll load up some BP loads. It's so cute.

Owen

[wgr]

250/300 grain cast sized to 452/454 paper patch on top of trail boss . enjoy

[hightime]

I do want to try paper patch, I'll need advice on that. I went and shot it last night with 50 gr. FG two wads with a grease pee between, then a 310 cast bullet. What fun! She spit a little sparks and smoke and nailed the target slightly low. I pushed the ramp up to notches and hit three more in the top of center at 30 yds. That's all the brass I had home, I need to get to the cabin. It didn't kick bad at all, although it is enough with that load.

Owen

[StrawHat]

Glad to hear you got it and the report on shooting. It sounds like a convenient hunting/stalking rifle. Not a bench rifle!

[hightime]

I have to brag up the store where I bought it. I had already said I'd buy, when the salesman came out and said he rung it up at $50 off and through a couple boxes of 22lrs into the deal as well.
Today I stopped back to see if he had any 45-70 brass, as most of my stock is loaded already in heavier loads. He didn't , but came out with three plastic boxed loaded ammo for the 45-70. He told me to pull and dump them all, questionable loads. I asked how much? No charge. So we bought a Ruger 10-22 . I buy from nice guys.

Oh, it's Fisherman's Corner in Hermantown , MN.

[3leggedturtle]

Hightime, I have bought 3 firearms from them. They always were decent and friendly. One time I was paying for a rifle and used a$100 bill in place of a $10. He handed it back and said he didn't need to be tipped that much today:smile:. It would've of ruined my weekene if he hadn't noticed it.

[hightime]

Did you ever get a Trapdoor?

[StrawHat]

Did you ever get a Trapdoor?


Who is "you"?

[hightime]

1130053leggedturtle came up and looked at one at Fisherman's Corner a couple years ago.

30 gr. of FG Goex 12 wads and a 310 grain bullet was fun. Here my grandson takes a shot.

[jonp]

He looks like he is shooting at a turtle.

[3leggedturtle]

Did you ever get a Trapdoor?

No looked at quite few just never pulled the trigger on one. Gonna order a 20" 9mm barrel for the contender instead.

[jh45gun]

Fishermans Corner is a good place to deal with. I traded my 45/70 Remington 1905 action (rebarreld) for a Marlin Guide gun in 45/70. Just figured the lever gun was handier and lighter. I also made a trade for my 45 Colt Ranchhand too. Took a slight bath in that deal but I wanted the gun so that was ok. I traded off a 22 mag I never used due to the price of the shells and a Cattleman I just could not see the sights well enough. I know that is the nature of gun trades at any shop. They also have been good in supporting our local chapter of the Friends of the NRA in Superior.

[pietro]

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I, too, have been shooting BP gallery loads from my .45-70 - A .457" RB pushed all the way down (dowel/mallet) over 15gr FFFg & any old standard large rifle primer.

I've also made like gallery loads for my .45 Colt, but with only 5gr FFFg.


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[bob208]

in another post I said about carbine loads. the .45-70 carbine load was 55 gr 2f with a 405 bullet. rcbs made a 350 gr. 45-70 mold. that bullet over 55 gr 2f should make a nice deer and pig load. and still be easy to handle in the carbine.

[hightime]

Just an update; I have been shooting the RB with light BP loads a lot. It sure is easy to clean. I did get some 458 round balls and some Cream of Wheat. I shoot both 300 gr. rnfp. out of my new mold and the balls.
I'm surprised how accurate out at 100 yds. and how hard it hits. I'm sure it would take a deer down just fine. Wouldn't have guessed that.

[skeet1]

hightime (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/member.php?23582-hightime),
At one time I owned a 1873 Trapdoor and one of my favorite things to do was shoot round balls with lite loads of BP or smokeless. Like you said very accurate out to 100 yards, surprisingly so.

Ken