30-30 subsonic 230 gn castbullet load

[skidder]

I am looking for a load for 30-30 with the 230 gn Lee cast bullet that is subsonic to shoot through a can. Anybody got one ?
Thanks
Skidder

[Outpost75]

About 4 grains of any fast-burning pistol or shotgun powder you can sweep off the floor in your loading room will do for that. Bullseye, Red Dot, 700-X, Clays, TiteGroup, N110, R1, WST, 452AA, all work.

If you intend running these through a typical 12-inch twist levergun, rounds must be not longer than 2.55" OAL to feed, and to avoid the bullet base being below the neck-shoulder junction, and possibly upsetting like a Champagne cork, aka "nailhead effect," locking into the shoulder cone and blowing up your gun! The Savage 340 action is adequate for the .30-30 but not overly strong, in the same class as the Krag.

You should stick to standard weight bullets around 170 grains. If you try to seat 230s long, the probably will jam in the throat of a standard. 30-30 chamber. In my experience the 230-grain Lee Blackout bullet was not accurate in common 10" twist barrels until driven supersonic, necessary to prevent keyholing. In my. 30-'06 I got much better grouping with the HM2-.312-160-5 flatnose, even when loaded down to the lightest charges which would exit the barrel, about 3 grs. of Bullseye. Also shot well full throttle with water-dropped COWW with a ful charge of 40 grs. of 4064 in the '06, which cycles my Garand like a pony trotting.

[skidder]

Thanks! I am running these through a Savage 340, so, I don't have the levergun restrictions.

[Outpost75]

Thanks! I am running these through a Savage 340, so, I don't have the levergun restrictions.

The short SAAMI .30-30 throat and twist rate may still be issues, but good luck.

[Wayne S]

You need to know the twist in the 340 . The Speer manual says 1-12. Then see what you get here
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi

[Tackleberry41]

I have an earlier stevens version. Apparently stevens used surplus machine gun barrels, so is faster twist than normally used, no idea on the savage version. But you will not get much extra COL out one. Not about cycling thru the gun, just short throats as 30-30 tends to be. I am using a 200gr cast in mine, any more than what will fit thru the mag and your pushing the bullet into the case closing the bolt. A pointed bullet I can make em longer, but cast tends to be fatter. Mine will stabilize a 200gr at 1050fps, was curious if it will do the Lee 230gr. Thats means buying a mold to try it.

I found a load of 6.3gr of solo 1000 gets me 1050fps in mine. A little more with a 170gr, so gonna say less with a 230gr. Imagine a variety of powders would do the job, jsut finding one the rifle likes. I dont crimp, just neck size, flare em to get the bullet in and just enough crimp to straighten out the case. It would be a heavy crimp as that 200gr is pushed deep enough theres nothing to crimp to.

[dougader]

About 4 grains of any fast-burning pistol or shotgun powder you can sweep off the floor in your loading room will do for that. Bullseye, Red Dot, 700-X, Clays, TiteGroup, N110, R1, WST, 452AA, all work.

If you intend running these through a typical 12-inch twist levergun, rounds must be not longer than 2.55" OAL to feed, and to avoid the bullet base being below the neck-shoulder junction, and possibly upsetting like a Champagne cork, aka "nailhead effect," locking into the shoulder cone and blowing up your gun! The Savage 340 action is adequate for the .30-30 but not overly strong, in the same class as the Krag.

You should stick to standard weight bullets around 170 grains. If you try to seat 230s long, the probably will jam in the throat of a standard. 30-30 chamber. In my experience the 230-grain Lee Blackout bullet was not accurate in common 10" twist barrels until driven supersonic, necessary to prevent keyholing. In my. 30-'06 I got much better grouping with the HM2-.312-160-5 flatnose, even when loaded down to the lightest charges which would exit the barrel, about 3 grs. of Bullseye. Also shot well full throttle with water-dropped COWW with a ful charge of 40 grs. of 4064 in the '06, which cycles my Garand like a pony trotting.

VV N110 is a fairly slow pistol powder, falling between AA9 and H110 in burn rate. N310 is a bit faster than Bullseye, and N320 is a little faster than Green Dot.

[Outpost75]

VV N110 is a fairly slow pistol powder, falling between AA9 and H110 in burn rate. N310 is a bit faster than Bullseye, and N320 is a little faster than Green Dot.


THANKS for the correction, should have been N310!!!!

[supersniper]

Try 7.0gr of Titegroup - works well in my 308's

[curator]

I've used 8 grains of Unique with the Lee 230 grain boat-tail phonograph needle and had excellent accuracy at 50 yards. I am shoting a 30-30AI H&R Handi rifle with a 1 in 10 twist. groups open up some at 100 yards and holes are slightly oval indicating under-stabilization. I intend on uping the powder charge a bit to see it that would make a difference but have been busy with other stuff lately.

[barrabruce]

With my handi 1:12" I could just stabilise a lee 190 rn with 4-5 grains of bulleye.
170's fp and rn and under are accurate to as far as I can shoot them..350yrds with @ 4 B.E.

Iv'e got a 150 gn "thing" going at the moment.

Don't shoot things with them ...... but they seemed to penetrate well enough when I tested them and fly to about the same tragedy.

Do you really need to go heavy?????

They don't CRACK so I suppose they are just lobbing along.

I just love hammering the 300 mtre gong plate with them.

Bang.........one...two..threeeee. ding!!! ;) gotta love it.

[jason f]

With my handi 1:12" I could just stabilise a lee 190 rn with 4-5 grains of bulleye.
170's fp and rn and under are accurate to as far as I can shoot them..350yrds with @ 4 B.E.

Iv'e got a 150 gn "thing" going at the moment.

Don't shoot things with them ...... but they seemed to penetrate well enough when I tested them and fly to about the same tragedy.

Do you really need to go heavy?????

They don't CRACK so I suppose they are just lobbing along.

I just love hammering the 300 mtre gong plate with them.

Bang.........one...two..threeeee. ding!!! ;) gotta love it.

is your handi rifle a 1-12. i thought h&r only made a 1-10 twist 30-30.

.17M2 1 in 9"
.17 HMR 1 in 9"
.22 LR 1 in 16"
.22 WMRF 1 in 16"
.204 Ruger 1 in 12"
.22 Hornet 1 n 12" (original H&R pre '87 1:16"?)(or 1:9" for late production)
.22 Jet 1:16" .221 bore
.222 Rem 1:9"
.223 1 in 12", late models are a mix of 1:9"/1:12", 2007 and later Marlin produced barrels are 1:9", use instructions below to determine the twist rate.
.22-250 1 in 14"
.25/06 1 in 10"
.243 1 in 10"
.270 1 in 10"
.280 1 in 10"
.308 1 in 10"
.357 Mag 1 in 18¾" or 1:15½"
.357 Maxi 1 in 18¾"
.35 Remington 1 in 16"
.35 Whelen 1 in 16"
7mm-08 1 in 10"
7.62x39 1 in 9¾"
7x57 1 in 10"
7x64 1 in 10"
.30/30 1 in 10"
.30/06 1 in 10"
.38/55 1 in 18"
.44 Mag 1 in 38"
.444 Marlin 1 in 38" (original ejector)
.444 Marlin 1:20" (extractor 2007 and later)
.45/70 1 in 20"
.450 Marlin 1 in 20"
.45 Colt Carbine 1:16"
.45 Colt/410 1 in 16"
.500 S&W 1 in 18¾"

20 ga. 1 in 28"
12 ga. 1 in 35"

.45 cal Muzzleloader 1:56"
.50 cal Muzzleloader 1:28"
.58 cal Muzzleloader 1:66"

Current production .223 Rem barrels are being made by Marlin with a 1:9" right-hand twist, lands are .219"-.221" and groove is .2240"-.2255". Right now they still have some 1:12" Superlight barrels. (as of 7-5-2007)

[Hammerhead]

My 1:12 Handi will stabilize subsonic 150's, but accuracy is iffy. I don't see subsonic 230's being accurate.

[Artful]

Remember guy's it ain't the weight of the bullet but it's length when it comes to stabilizing 'em

http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/calculating-bullet-rpm-spin-rates-stability/

http://www.bergerbullets.com/litz/TwistRuleAlt.php

http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi

http://kwk.us/twist.html

[jason f]

you guys must have some old 30-30 handi rifles because all modern ones are 1-10 twist.

[barrabruce]

157 pardner barrel (thin one)on a newer sb1 frame.
Weight about 6 pounds with out scope.
Still 1- 1 1/2" with factory ammo at 100 yrds after fixing a few issues.

I did get into the 170's PPing and it has enough bark with the skinner barrel.
I've switched to 150's cos they are so much more easier to shoot on me.

The 170 lee fp after fixing it to my strange dimensions and before I stuffed the mould up.
(don't ask I'm still crying after 2 yrs)

105388

Yes it was a good day!! mostly they would hover around the edge of the green dot in an average of ten shots.

The 150's I haven't been able to get this accuracy yet.
I think the longer bore riding nose fitted snuggly helps to get things moving more concentric.

The longer stuff just would shoot good but always showed yawing 1 1/2" moa and loose it out further say 200 yrds.

Then again I'm no expert, nor great benchrest champion with a tricked up wonder gun either.

Having heard that the loverin design is good with thin 4 grooved barrels I envisaged one hole groups ..but it shoots well and consistent.
I have tried the 308241 ideal with no vent grooves and after honing it out more concentric its looks promising too.
Work in progress.

Hard to get metal back into things after you have removed it.
Slowly slowly catch the monkey.

Fit is king.

Thanks for reading my ramblings

Hope it helps
Barra

Hope it helps.

[skidder]

Thanks for all the input!! I bought a Lee 230 dies and made roughly a bazzilion of them for my .300 Blackout. I have a bunch of Red Dot and I am getting a can for the 30 cals. Though this would be a way to use it.