It,s Offical Ohio Pasted THE law for straight wall cartridge Rifle Hunting

[reddoggm]

Great News Buckeyes
http://www2.ohiodnr.gov/news/post/ohio-wildlife-council-approves-2014-2015-hunting-regulations

DOGG!!!

[Pb2au]

I am incredibly happy over this.
This is excellent news!!!!

[DougGuy]

Legal deer hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers:
.357 Magnum,
.357 Maximum,
.38 Special,
.375 Super Magnum,
.375 Winchester,
.38-55,
.41 Long Colt,
.41 Magnum,
.44 Special,
.44 Magnum,
.444 Marlin,
.45 ACP,
.45 Colt,
.45 Long Colt,
.45 Winchester Magnum,
.45 Smith & Wesson,
.454 Casull,
.460 Smith & Wesson,
.45-70, .45-90,
.45-110,
.475 Linebaugh,
.50-70,
.50-90,
.50-100,
.50-110,
.500 Smith & Wesson.

[Blammer]

Nice! I guess I can bet what rifles will be in demand this fall....

[dilly]

Funny to think that 30-30 is a no no but you can hunt with 38 special. Laws are funny but it sounds like a step in the right direction.

[reddoggm]

Theres No 450 Marlin in the list though Kinda Odd

[clyde-the-pointer]

.45-70 for me baby!

[Pb2au]

45 colt for me. Luckily, I've owned it for a while.
Ill have to get a rifle put together for my dad. The old man will be excited for sure.

[reddoggm]

What You ^^^^^^ Guys said Amen Brother!!!
DOGG!!

[FergusonTO35]

Hooray!! My Marlins in .357 and .45-70 are ready to roll!!

[dougader]

No 480 Ruger?

[quilbilly]

Maybe someone will finally start making a lever in 357 max.

[Djones]

A big win for cast bullet hunters!

[Hickory]

Funny to think that 30-30 is a no no but you can hunt with 38 special. Laws are funny but it sounds like a step in the right direction.

For some reason straight wall cases are the cryteria for a safe round in rural Ohio, bottle-neck cartaridges are deemed too powerful, and therefore unsafe.
And if the barrel length for a handgun is less then 5" you cannot hit a deer even if it is 6 feet away.
At least that is what the DNR will tell you.

[sthwestvictoria]

What an odd law. It talks to nothing around external ballistics or terminal ballistics. Here in Australia there are some similar quirks. Here in the state of Victoria there is a calibre but not case length restriction for deer. So a 300 black-out is legal but a .243 may not be, depending on deer species.

[osteodoc08]

Deer Gun season is only a week long?!?! Really?

[IDSS]

Deer Gun season is only a week long?!?! Really?

One of the things I don't miss about New Mexico. Tag lottery for deer, bag limit-one buck, 5 day season. No caliber restriction for deer, though.

[Pb2au]

Deer Gun season is only a week long?!?! Really?

Yup. That fact of life does stink.
When it was shotgun season, it was a week, then one weekend. But, they got rid of the weekend season last year.

[osteodoc08]

Good thing I bow hunt as well. I'm supposed to meet up with a friend of mine for some hunting on his acreage this season. Wasn't able to make it last season.

[FergusonTO35]

It amazes me how stubborn some places are about opening up their deer seasons even when the place is absolutely overrun with deer. Would it really be so bad to give us a few extra days early or late in the season? I totally respect archery hunters and don't begrudge them their long seasons, however archery just isn't a realistic option for some folks. I barely have enough time to practice with a centerfire rifle much less a bow.

Still the new rifle option is progress. Back when I started hunting our modern rifle season was 7 or 9 days depending where you go, now it's 9 or 16. Crossbow season now lasts almost as long as bow season.

[Pb Burner]

This is great news! I'm near the Ohio border. I can see an Ohio non resident in my future. Ohio has some awesome deer!

[dougader]

What an odd law. It talks to nothing around external ballistics or terminal ballistics. Here in Australia there are some similar quirks. Here in the state of Victoria there is a calibre but not case length restriction for deer. So a 300 black-out is legal but a .243 may not be, depending on deer species.

In Oregon, it's legal to hunt elk with any centerfire rifle or handgun .25 caliber or larger.... so, technically, I can hunt elk with a Beretta 950BS chambered in 25 auto. Ridiculous....

[Bad Water Bill]

So where is old faithful?

38-55 should be there also.

[Smoke4320]

at least it progress.. more cast bullet rifles and pistols in the field :)

[mmt44]

Just come down here. Our season is 3 months long and you can use whatever you want for the most part. Only caliber restrictions are for "primitive weapon" season, which isn't very primitive seeing as how breech loading single shot rifles of 35 caliber or bigger are considered primitive. Last time I checked a TC encore in 35 whelen wasn't very primitive, but it's legal.

Mike

[missionary5155]

Greetings
Great news ! Now if history follows the trend in about 10 years ILLinois will discover rifles with straight wall cases can safely harvest those nasty soceer mom suv destroyers... the lowly corn cruncher.
From the list it looks like my Marlin 336 414 Supermag would still have to sit at home. Maybe I need to remark the barrel "41 Maganum" and smile.
Mike in Peru

[Bad Water Bill]

I can visualize one of those 45-90 PBs rocketing across a corn field in Ill I Noise.

The poor deer will probably come to rest just outside of Yellowstone according to IDNR EXPERTS.

[Hickok]

Dang, I was hoping you Buckeyes could hunt with the .458 Winchester Magnum and the .458 Lott, but I didn't see them on the list!:kidding:

[psychicrhino]

Good news indeed. I guess I did not realize how restrictive the seasons were in some places. Here in Texas there is a month of archery, followed by two months of unrestricted gun season followed by two weeks (I think) of blackpowder season.

[nanuk]

up here, you need a rifle of "Greater than .23Caliber"

so, I plan on getting a 25ACP made up on a handi rifle, and go moose hunting with it!

single shot in 25ACP? Can't think of a bigger challenge!

[reddoggm]

Dang, I was hoping you Buckeyes could hunt with the .458 Winchester Magnum and the .458 Lott, but I didn't see them on the list!:kidding:

Ya Hickok I thought that about the .450 Marlin but as was pointed out to me by blackbike those are belted cartridges straight walled or not they the (hunting police) must figure belted into the non useable super power cartridge
DOGG!!!

[birddog1148]

Just ordered a CVA in 45-70 now I need brass dies and a mold!
gotta try to beat last seasons deer ;)
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[TXGunNut]

Good news indeed. I guess I did not realize how restrictive the seasons were in some places. Here in Texas there is a month of archery, followed by two months of unrestricted gun season followed by two weeks (I think) of blackpowder season.

Some areas of the Hill Country in S TX it seems deer season is over three months long.

[TXGunNut]

So where is old faithful?

38-55 should be there also.

It's on there, just below .375 Winchester.

[theMickster]

There ain't no deer in Ohio anyway. Move along, nothing to see here folks........


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I am pretty excited though. I have a 45-70 on the way along with a NOE mold, some brass and powder. Got all summer to work out a load. :)

Mick

[357maximum]

Congratulations Buckeyes, :drinks: ..... hope Southern Michigan is next (wheres the wishful thinking smileeee)

[Hickok]

Ya Hickok I thought that about the .450 Marlin but as was pointed out to me by blackbike those are belted cartridges straight walled or not they the (hunting police) must figure belted into the non useable super power cartridge
DOGG!!!Reddog, the first round that I thought of was the 45/70, and then the 38/55.

Just me, but if I had a 450 Marlin, I would use it anyway, most of the "Possum Police" aint smart enough to know the difference!

[StrawHat]

" ...A new regulation states shotguns and straight-walled cartridge rifles used for deer hunting be loaded with no more than three shells in the magazine and chamber combined. The current hunting regulation states a shotgun must be plugged if it is capable of holding more than three shells... "

Shotguns must be plugged but nothing about rifles. This will be a mess!

[Frosty Boolit]

What is the origin of plugging a shot gun anyhow?

[reddoggm]

What is the origin of plugging a shot gun anyhow?

I can,t remember when we had to START Plugging again But Years ago we had to do it Then they Lifted the plugging for a couple/few and then started it again I,m sure Glad i have a Few Lever guns I can use I just p/u a Marlin 1895 ss a while back an been getting some of the Bugs worked out but still like the 45 LC guns
DOGG!!!

[reddoggm]

Reddog, the first round that I thought of was the 45/70, and then the 38/55.

Just me, but if I had a 450 Marlin, I would use it anyway, most of the "Possum Police" aint smart enough to know the difference!

Hickok I agree with you most of the Non - hunting Hunt cops won,t but I,ll bet a few of the hunting versions of em Will and will burn ya good if caught In Ohio breaking Hunting Regs can have some HUGE repercussions
DOGG!!!

[Geraldo]

Dear Abby,

I grew up in Ohio and there has never been a bit of logical thought in the hunting regs there. I'm glad my family and friends will have more choices, but face it, this list is bizarre.

Supposedly ODNR has always been worried about the range of weapons used in deer season, hence the slug gun only rule for years, followed by the original five calibers in pistol season. So now they lump .38 Special in with .45-110. *** is up with that? Do they have any clue how far BP cartridge shooters shoot? Have they ever heard of Billy Dixon? Why is my .45acp legal but .45 Super and .460 Rowland aren't? I'd say it's because the latter two are uncommon, but they saw fit to throw in .41 Colt. While I'm picking on the apparently unknown legion of .41 Colt shooters, why isn't 10mm on the list? Why does .45 Colt aka .45 Long Colt get two listings? Why are they prejudiced against straight wall Brit cartridges?

Signed,
Confused in a state with a 3 month deer season where every gun is legal

[jwber]

Glad to hear this! I'm from MI but maybe one day I'll venture down there to hunt.

I currently hunt up here in the rifle zone using a shotgun (Mossberg 500 fully rifled with 2.75" Remington Copper Solids) but want to get something that I can reload for. Not really sure I want to mess with trying to reload slugs other than for blasting and the only rifle I have is an AR.

Pistol Carbine's sure look tempting...

[TXGunNut]

Shotguns must be plugged but nothing about rifles. This will be a mess! -StrawHat

I believe I'd recommend making a plug or a magazine stop for any of the newly-legal rifles if I hunted in Ohio. No need to be a part of the learning process with the accompanying legal costs and difficulties.

[GaryN]

We got 9 days here for Rifle and 27 for archery. We can use any centerfire but only one deer and you have to draw.

[missionary5155]

Greetings
Archery is the only thing ILLinois got right. Three months... with a few lost days so firearms could get in there. We also do have revolver rights during firearms. Muzzle loaders can shoot during firearms plus get a week in January all by ourselves. But where I hunt in the river bottoms my farthest shot to date is 34 yards. So the recurve and caliber 60 smoothie flinter is really all I need.
But it would be fun to get to knucker-plunk a corn cruncher with the 414 SM 336 Marlin.
Mike in Peru

[Iowa Fox]

I'm happy to hear you Buckeyes will get a chance to use your rifles. I hope Iowa is next. I'd really like to use my 1895 Marlin CB with one of my cast loads on my own place.

[StrawHat]

Shotguns must be plugged but nothing about rifles. This will be a mess! -StrawHat

I believe I'd recommend making a plug or a magazine stop for any of the newly-legal rifles if I hunted in Ohio. No need to be a part of the learning process with the accompanying legal costs and difficulties.

My 50-70 is a single shot, rifle, not handgun. My 405 WCF on the other hand holds four, it is an original 1895 Winchester, as much as I would like to use it, I will not alter it. Besides, the 50 does it better!

[petroid]

So now they lump .38 Special in with .45-110. *** is up with that? Do they have any clue how far BP cartridge shooters shoot? Have they ever heard of Billy Dixon? Why is my .45acp legal but .45 Super and .460 Rowland aren't? I'd say it's because the latter two are uncommon, but they saw fit to throw in .41 Colt. While I'm picking on the apparently unknown legion of .41 Colt shooters, why isn't 10mm on the list?

How can you include .38 SPL and 45 auto but not 38 super or 10mm? If 38 SPL is ok why not 9mm or even 40 S&W? Odd...

[Geraldo]

My 50-70 is a single shot, rifle, not handgun. My 405 WCF on the other hand holds four, it is an original 1895 Winchester, as much as I would like to use it, I will not alter it. Besides, the 50 does it better!

Doesn't matter how many your .405 holds as .405 didn't make the cut. Yet another example of how weird the law is in naming specific calibers. They could have accomplished the same thing with less ink spilled by saying "straight walled cartridges, .357" or larger."

[woodbutcher]

:-?Just out of curiosity,what was the reasoning behind the ban on straight wall cartridges?Thanks.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo

[Blammer]

notice it said RIFLES, and gave the chamberings. Not many 38 special RIFLES or 45ACP RIFLES out there, so I don't think they have to really worry...

but they probably don't know that there are not a lot of 45 acp RIFLES to begin with. :)

[AMT7]

Dear Abby,

I grew up in Ohio and there has never been a bit of logical thought in the hunting regs there. I'm glad my family and friends will have more choices, but face it, this list is bizarre.

Supposedly ODNR has always been worried about the range of weapons used in deer season, hence the slug gun only rule for years, followed by the original five calibers in pistol season. So now they lump .38 Special in with .45-110. *** is up with that? Do they have any clue how far BP cartridge shooters shoot? Have they ever heard of Billy Dixon? Why is my .45acp legal but .45 Super and .460 Rowland aren't? I'd say it's because the latter two are uncommon, but they saw fit to throw in .41 Colt. While I'm picking on the apparently unknown legion of .41 Colt shooters, why isn't 10mm on the list? Why does .45 Colt aka .45 Long Colt get two listings? Why are they prejudiced against straight wall Brit cartridges?

Signed,
Confused in a state with a 3 month deer season where every gun is legal

Really wierd same thoughts as mine no feaking logic to this. Looks like a couple of old bill writers gun collection lists minus bottle.neck cartridges.

[cattleskinner]

Don't be so sure DJ, I bet someone goes out with their trusty Hi Point 45 carbine. I will stick with my 357 Marlin. Within range both will make meat.

[Bad Water Bill]

BUT---BUT

Here in Ill i noise the Hi Point is a dangerous assault weapon be it 9MM or 45 ACP.

[jsheyn]

Congrats fellas...sounds like it's time to buy a camp on that side of the line

[petroid]

notice it said RIFLES, and gave the chamberings. Not many 38 special RIFLES or 45ACP RIFLES out there, so I don't think they have to really worry...

but they probably don't know that there are not a lot of 45 acp RIFLES to begin with. :)

Not trying to argue availability, of which there are plenty of 38 handi rifles and 45 carbines among all sorts of other chamberings, but the choice of cartridges that are allowed just doesn't make a lot of sense. But at least there are more options for the buckeyes now than before.

[Firebricker]

I just bought a 20ga Savage last year but will put it on a shelf for my .444 Marlin. I like the Savage but not as well as the.444 and ammo will be a fraction of the price now it is time to shop for something a little heavier my 250gr moulds. FB

[Bad Water Bill]

Are they radiating the deer in Ohio now.

A 250 grain PB can not stop the new generation of deer there?:veryconfu

I have an OLD Savage 99 in 22 HP that fed an old logger in N Wisconsin every day of the week for more years than he could remember and it only used 55 Gr cast boolits to get the job done.

One shot plop.

More than that and the warden MIGHT have caught him.

[clownbear69]

Glad you guys got something. Even though its dumb its still not worse (IMO) than IA laws for hunting. Slug only for deer but can use centerfire for coyotes.

[Bad Water Bill]

In ILLINOIS rifles are ONLY permitted on coyotes.

Rifles in the woods can travel to far but a 223 fired over a cut hay field is OK.

Go figure.

[Pb2au]

Until the new laws, in Ohio you could use any rifle/shotgun/howitzer/rail gun you wanted on varmints......but not deer. No way.
I never figured that one out.

[micky_blue]

It has to do with the number of people in the woods at the time. I think it would be easier to have the standard gun opener but leave the season open for three weeks and get rid of this bonus weekend, that doe only weekend, this late weekend, all the confusion. Plus it gives hunters flexibility.

[badgeredd]

Technically, where I live in Michigan, I can use anything to hunt squirrels or varmints. I am limited to a handgun of 35 caliber or larger, a shotgun, or muzzle loader. We've had a bill introduced into the legislature each of the last three years to allow basically handgun cartridge rifle of 35 caliber or larger with some case length restriction, but it has not passed both houses. I would love to have the opportunity to use a rifle where I live on my property even if the cartridge list was similar to Ohio's. Whether it makes sense or not, you fellows should understand that a little progress is better than none. The part of Ohio I was raised in, the NW corner of OH, had a fair amount of deer when I was a youngster and the laws were even more restrictive than they are where I live in MI now. Rifles were legal for varmints and that pretty much was it for centerfires. Little steps forward are better than none in my mind.

Edd

[Dale53]

Instead of complaining or making fun of the caliber list - it is time to CELEBRATE for those that prefer rifles. There are a tremendous number of choices! Logic has not often been a part of law making.

Don't complain - EMBRACE IT!

I no longer hunt deer (too old and feeble to drag a deer out of the woods) but I would have LOVED the choices we will now have. I have a Ruger #3 in 45/70 that would be perfect! I also have a Marlin 1895 in 45/70. Either are GREAT woods rifles.

Me, tho', I was a dedicated handgun hunter and after getting a deer or two with the rifles, would have no doubt reverted back to my beloved handguns.

But, that's just me...

CELEBRATE!!

Dale53

[M-Tecs]

What is the origin of plugging a shot gun anyhow?

Historically it started with the federal regulations for hunting migratory birds (waterfowl, like ducks & geese) limiting what the market hunters could use. It stopped the use of punt guns, larger than 10 gauge and multi-shot battery guns.

[birddog]

Have to agree Hickok, if your case is straight wall they won't know the difference. The first one I'd carry would be my 480 Ruger.
Charlie

[Hickory]

Until the new laws, in Ohio you could use any rifle/shotgun/howitzer/rail gun you wanted on varmints......but not deer. No way.
I never figured that one out.

Yes, the law reads, "Any caliber rifle or handgun maybe used on private lands."
This translates into using a 50 BMG to shoot squirrels, rabbits and groundhogs, but, not deer.

[mrk_86]

looks like i will be taking the henry 45 lc with me this year over to ohio

[StrawHat]

Have to agree Hickok, if your case is straight wall they won't know the difference. The first one I'd carry would be my 480 Ruger.
Charlie

Charlie, in Ohio, many of the ODNR people are smart about what they do. And when they catch you violating the game laws, you can lose your firearm, vehicle, hunting rights, and since you are now a felon, your 2nd Amendment right. It is almost easier to deal with ATF than ODNR.

[BAGTIC]

Are quail still considered songbirds in Ohio and protected from hunting.

[micky_blue]

That was doves, not quail, and no. Laws changed 15-20 years back.

[birddog1148]

fyi an article from Buckeye Firearms Association
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/look-back-ohios-journey-straight-walled-cartridge-rifles-deer-hunting

[jason f]

been waiting for this to happen. got a handi rifle chambered for just about every caliber on the list

[OD Cleaver]

Even with a few inconsistencies and an absurdity or two, this is a great deal for Ohio deer hunters, and I am very pleased as are most Ohio sportsmen.

I am, however, more than a little amazed at the few who are advocating breaking both the spirit and letter of this new law. I note that almost all of those pushing others to violate our wildlife laws are from other states and are unlikely to hunt here, which I find gratifying as I sincerely hope they stay away to defecate in their own nests, and not in ours.

Each year I allow some strangers access to my property, but not if they show up with a beer in one hand and a gun in the other, are not properly licensed, or are using unlawful weapons.

Just the view of one Ohio landowner/hunting/shooting enthusiast.