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str8shot426
03-24-2014, 05:50 PM
Casted some lee 35 caliber 158gr swc last night. Alloy was 50/50 ww/pure with 2% tin. What I ended up with were 163gr. Boolits not including the gas check.

Does lee have a standard alloy like lyman does to standardize there molds?
How close to listed weights are your lee boolits?

Cloudwraith
03-24-2014, 06:18 PM
I just cast some COWW + 2% pewter (TL356-124-2R) 9mm 124g yesterday. They were a consistent 126.3 +- .2 grains.

tazman
03-24-2014, 06:26 PM
I believe Lee uses straight ww for their alloy. In which case adding pure lead would increase the dropped weight. I wouldn't consider your difference to be a problem myself.

Wally
03-24-2014, 06:59 PM
As I recall I read that Lee uses 90% Lead/10% tin as the nominal "as cast" weight for their bullet molds. When using WW alloy I find they weigh about 5% more then the nominal weight.

deerspy
03-24-2014, 07:20 PM
I have two lee 309-150-GC molds I use lead from Mo bullet Co 92pb, 6sb, 2sn and one cast .310 to .311 dia an 147 to 148gr, and one cast .309 to .310 dia and 145 to 146gr but I have only cast about 500 bullets so far and cant seam get very many good ones.

tazman
03-24-2014, 08:04 PM
I cast some Lee 358-150-rn last week from indoor range lead that weighed 147-148. Usually I don't check the weights unless it is a new mold.

str8shot426
03-24-2014, 08:41 PM
This is a new mold, and I was curious to see what the boolits dropped. I am not concerned to the extra weight as I load up from the bottom on new experiments.

Slow Elk 45/70
03-25-2014, 04:00 AM
If all else fails, check the accuracy of your scale.....just a thought..Jim

mikeym1a
03-25-2014, 04:43 AM
all of my Lee molds drop slugs several grains heavier than the design calls for, however, since most are within 1 grain of medium weight, I don't worry. I always figures it was something about my alloy. It doesn't seem to make any difference in their shootability.

str8shot426
03-26-2014, 11:36 PM
Well here they are. Weighing about 165grains with gas check, I checked my scale with certified weights, dead on. I will work up some loads with 2400 and herco and give a full report. Stay tuned.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/27/5ade9uta.jpg

runfiverun
03-27-2014, 02:05 AM
if you want a little oomph without it being too much, I'd start at @ 6 grs of herco and hover around the 7 gr area as my final load. [let the 2400 take over from there]
if you wanna go slower than a faster powder would be in order.
the 2400 will get them moving right along and is super versatile in the 357 case.

243winxb
03-27-2014, 11:14 AM
Lee uses 90% Lead/10% tin

454PB
03-27-2014, 11:49 AM
I have the same mould, and I like to load them in front of 9.5 grs. of BlueDot for around 1250 fps. in my 6" GP-100.

Excellent boolit!

fredj338
03-27-2014, 06:01 PM
If you get ANY bullet mold to throw the exact weight with your chosen alloy, give a blessing to the casting Gods. It doesn't happen often. My 45R228 throws almost exactly 228gr using range scrap. The 200RFFP, 208gr with the same alloy.

tazman
03-27-2014, 06:39 PM
To give an idea how much differences in alloy effect a boolits weight, listen to this. A week ago I cast up a bunch of 120tc boolits from a ingots smelted from a bucket of range scrap from an indoor range. They weighed almost exactly 120 grains plus or minus 1. Today I cast up another batch, same boolit mold, different bucket of scrap from the same range, actually collected the same day as the first. Weighed 125grains plus or minus 1.

Unless you know precisely what is going into your pot, you can't predict exactly what you are going to get.
This is one of the reasons I seldom try for a max load.
Fortunately for my use it doesn't matter. They are all within reasonable tolerances for the midrange loads I use. They all shoot to the same group for me at the ranges I practice.

Walter Laich
03-28-2014, 10:25 AM
I'm more concerned that they are close in weight, not what the actual weight is.

str8shot426
03-28-2014, 08:37 PM
Well they do not like herco. I started out with this powder because I had ridiculously accurate groups with the lyman 358430. Low end were all over the place.
Toward the top end it got better but I am not satisfied.

Next up 2400.....stay tuned.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/29/ebypagu8.jpg

fredj338
03-28-2014, 08:39 PM
Herco is a lot like Unique, it wants to run near the top end for best results.

silverado
03-29-2014, 11:54 PM
Well here they are. Weighing about 165grains with gas check, I checked my scale with certified weights, dead on. I will work up some loads with 2400 and herco and give a full report. Stay tuned.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/27/5ade9uta.jpg

With that mold straight ww alloy gives me basically the same weights you are getting, my 44 240 gr swc mold gives me about 239.9 grains... just be happy they are consistent... my uncle always told me that was the key to accuracy

leadman
03-30-2014, 01:14 AM
Lee is using Lyman #2 now for their alloy from one of the techs there. All of my molds purchased in the last several years are dropping boolits heavier than advertised. They are very close to advertised weight with linotype.

silverado
03-30-2014, 01:16 AM
It seems to me they decided to make a lswc design for the guys loving the 158 grain boolits... well the design was close enough and worked good.... so why change a good thing.... 158 is NOT a magic number... just interpolate the best you can or Pm me if you want and I will tell you the data that I used.

quilbilly
03-30-2014, 01:34 PM
Almost all of my Lee molds cast boolits a bit heavy (3-5%) but accurate diameter wise so I don't worry about it.

str8shot426
03-30-2014, 11:16 PM
Alliant 2400 works out much better. Consistant across the board. Little windy and shaky today, but still better results than herco.
Groups shot at 100ft.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/31/mu3uzehu.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/31/ze6a7uqy.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/31/by7ynesy.jpg
Next up imr 4227. This is a great hobby! Or should I say addiction.