99 savage series a cal 358 !!

[mike in co]

so talk to me about cast loads for this 22" lever gun.
i have lyman's 205 gr( i think that is it..its packed away)...
what else will work in what i believer to be a 1/12 twist?

thanks

[TXGunNut]

It'll never work, I'll PM you disposal instructions.......CONGRATS! Never seen the Lyman boolit so can't help you there.

[35 shooter]

The noe 200 gr.(rcbs clone) has been a tackdriver in my whelen with a 1:14 twist. It's more nose bearing than the lyman 205 gr. The nose bearing portion of the lyman is shorter, beautiful boolit though.
I bought a lyman 205 gr. mould last summer and with wheel weight alloy it would barely pour .358 dia, mostly .357". The noe pours at slightly over .360 with wheel weight.

[starmac]

Me thinks, that is not a suitable Colorado gun, it should be sent to Alaska where it would feel at home.

[mike in co]

I HATE TO MAKE YOU ALL FEEL BAD.....
but
i am not a hunter..just a shooter....
i like making holes and knocking over steel.

( i am not against hunting, i just grew up in so cal with no family that hunted.
never got started)

[mike in co]

200/250 sounds like a nice tx's hog rifle.....

it did come with a nice 3-9x weaver...but thinking of peep or a 1-4x

mike

[starmac]

Send it up, I just happen to have a peep I have been saving for my next 99 (hopeing it is 358) even have a few old el paso's that would look great on it. lol

[mike in co]

i did finally get a date on manufacture...late 76/early 77....brush gun

[Tatume]

Hi Mike,

I've been having excellent results with the RCBS 35-200-FN mold. The nose of this bullet is an interference fit with the chamber in my rifle and I believe that enhances accuracy. I'm using data for the same weight jacketed bullet from http://www.hodgdon.com/ . Right now I'm getting 2250 fps with these 200 grain cast bullets. Using the factory open sights (which I like very much) the six-inch gong at 100 yards is hard to miss. See this thread:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?231192-358-blr

Take care, Tom

[atr]

Hey Mike
no need to apologize about not being a hunter
true I hunt but I certainly spend more time punching holes in targets than in game..
enjoy that .358 savage
atr

[jonp]

Me thinks, that is not a suitable Colorado gun, it should be sent to Alaska where it would feel at home.

Nada. Needs to be sent to NC for help with us being overrun with 500lb Hogzilla's

[MostlyLeverGuns]

I use the RCBS 200 in my featherweight 99 AND in my wifes 99 .358 A. Both shoot about 1 1/2 at 100yds with it sized to .359. 20 to 25 grains Reloader 7 or H4198.

[richhodg66]

Mine likes that RCBS 200 grainer and 35 grains of 3031 so far. I plan on it being my main deer rifle this next season.

[starmac]

I use the RCBS 200 in my featherweight 99 AND in my wifes 99 .358 A. Both shoot about 1 1/2 at 100yds with it sized to .359. 20 to 25 grains Reloader 7 or H4198.

Talk about rubbing it in, now that is just plain mean. (main and my wifes) sheesh. lol

[mike in co]

well this kinda fills out my levergun collection..tho i could add more. i shoot left handed so levers are a nice option.
44 mag marlin
32 win spcl win
358 win 99
30-30 1965 win colorado real cowboy gun

[Tatume]

Hi Rich,


Mine likes that RCBS 200 grainer and 35 grains of 3031 so far. I plan on it being my main deer rifle this next season.

That is a very light load, about 70% of maximum. IMR 3031 is good about being loaded lightly. What muzzle velocity are you getting with it? I'll bet it's very accurate!

Take care, Tom

[starmac]

No 45/70, what is up with that. They are deadly on paper. lol
I shoot left handed as well, and started out with a 99, so am partial to them, but only have the 300 in it.
I am not picky though as I have 22, 308me, 45 colt and 45/70 in marlins and 30/30 in winchester. I looked at a 35 rem marlin yesterday, but I really want a 358 M99 and as you can see there is a hole in my stash that it would fit nicely in. I could also find a place to keep a 375 win in the 99 real easy too. lol

[mike in co]

(actually, the guy i bought his from has the 375 also....just have to see how rich i am next month...)


No 45/70, what is up with that. They are deadly on paper. lol
I shoot left handed as well, and started out with a 99, so am partial to them, but only have the 300 in it.
I am not picky though as I have 22, 308me, 45 colt and 45/70 in marlins and 30/30 in winchester. I looked at a 35 rem marlin yesterday, but I really want a 358 M99 and as you can see there is a hole in my stash that it would fit nicely in. I could also find a place to keep a 375 win in the 99 real easy too. lol

[Artful]

well this kinda fills out my levergun collection..tho i could add more. i shoot left handed so levers are a nice option.
44 mag marlin
32 win spcl win
358 win 99
30-30 1965 win colorado real cowboy gun

35 Remington is a good idea!
Where's your 22LR, 25-20, 32-20, 357 magnum, 375 or 38-55, 444 or 45-70
how about 243, 250-3000, 7mm'08, 300 Savage, and 308
- you got a ways to go.
My Savage 99 pretty much same vintage as yours
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/Misc/th_Savage99-358BetterPic.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rowdyfisk/media/Misc/Savage99-358BetterPic.jpg.html)
it seems not to picky about cast boolits
I've used 158 grain pistol booits
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/FAL/Boolit/th_Lyman358311RN4cavity2_zps1e11aeeb.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rowdyfisk/media/FAL/Boolit/Lyman358311RN4cavity2_zps1e11aeeb.jpg.html)
up thru 222 grain
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/FAL/Boolit/th_NEI222358GCLoverin2cav3_zps81e8e77c.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rowdyfisk/media/FAL/Boolit/NEI222358GCLoverin2cav3_zps81e8e77c.jpg.html)
the more fun for paper punching is lighter weights
180 grain NOE WFN
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/FAL/Boolit/th_NOE360180WFN_zpscb74c638.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rowdyfisk/media/FAL/Boolit/NOE360180WFN_zpscb74c638.jpg.html)
Ranch Dog's 190 grainer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/FAL/Boolit/th_Ranch35-180TLRN_zps988332a3.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rowdyfisk/media/FAL/Boolit/Ranch35-180TLRN_zps988332a3.jpg.html)
but this little jewel gave some nice groups
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/FAL/Boolit/th_NOE220358RNGC2cavity_zps4731ac49.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rowdyfisk/media/FAL/Boolit/NOE220358RNGC2cavity_zps4731ac49.jpg.html)
Of what's out there the RCBS or NOE clone is a very good choice.
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/1111-118-RCBS35200FN.jpg
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/N.O.E._Bullet_Moulds_360_200Gr._FN.Jpg
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=35&sort=2a&page=2&osCsid=ofjeq8aubtup51bre5b9ltpbe1

of course if you want to punish yourself you can go 280-300 grainers
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/FAL/Boolit/th_NOE358009RN280GRN_zps7994d93e.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rowdyfisk/media/FAL/Boolit/NOE358009RN280GRN_zps7994d93e.jpg.html)
NOE's 358009 clone
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/FAL/Boolit/th_NOE358009RN280GRNGC4cav_zps330130a4.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rowdyfisk/media/FAL/Boolit/NOE358009RN280GRNGC4cav_zps330130a4.jpg.html)


(actually, the guy i bought his from has the 375 also....just have to see how rich i am next month...)
If you don't want it, let him know a lot of us here would be very interested in it.

[richhodg66]

I've not chronoed that load, but basically I took it from Goodsteel's posting about "I believe the cast lead bullet to be..." in the hunting forum.

I loaded nine rounds, took it to the range, all nine went inside four inches at 100 yards, however, the first three from a clean barrel made up for more than half that, the last six went into about 1 3/4".

I should caveat that that groupd was with some old Carrol commercially cast bullets I had, but looking at them, I am sure they are identical to the RCBS bullet. Not sure what their alloy is and they are sized to .358. Now that I have cast some from my mold and have a .359 and .360 sizers, I'm pretty sure I can better than groupiong fairly easily, then I may move up on powder charge. I don't need or want a real thumper, .35 Remington ballistics will be just fine. I've killed a couple of deer on average for the past 16 years around here and all have been inside of 100 yards, most much closer that than. The last three I shot with breach loaders were with .30 caliber cast and it wasn't that difficult, this .358 oughta be a cinch.

[mike in co]

i already had both the 308 and 300 savage's...
30 and up....

[451whitworth]

in my 99R 358wcf I use the Accurate 35-210B and the RCBS 35-200-FN. My RCBS mould dropped .3585-.359" with wheel weights so I opened up the two driving bands to drop @ .361" but left the front band forward of the crimp groove alone.

[TXGunNut]

well this kinda fills out my levergun collection..tho i could add more. i shoot left handed so levers are a nice option.
44 mag marlin
32 win spcl win
358 win 99
30-30 1965 win colorado real cowboy gun

What? No 32-20? No 38-40? No 38-55? No 44-40? You call yourself a levergun collector? You have a nice start but those little buggars have a way of reproducing. Sure sign of a pending arrival is when an empty rifle case starts riding around in the trunk of your car....

[mike in co]

ok in the early stages of load work.
i have three lots of 358 brass
new old stock ww, new winchester, and fire formed new 7.62x51 1980 lc brass.
they weigh 165.x, 175.xand from 175-180 for the lake city.
here is the kicker....
the volume is nearly identical for the three groups.
57.0, 56.8 and 56.9 for the lc.....
this is actually a good thing , i think
two new rcbs pots on the way and a couple of molds in the mail.

[Tatume]

Last weekend I did a test of Winchester and LC-68 cases. The charges were into the necks before 200 grain Remington RN bullets were seated, but the LC-68 cases appeared to have powder a little higher up in the neck. Velocities were 31 fps higher in the LC-68 cases, and by the Student's t-test the difference was statistically significant. My conclusion is that there is a difference, but that in cool weather the difference is not important. However, I intend to repeat the test this summer, as the difference may be important in hot weather.