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ohland
03-19-2014, 07:17 PM
Today's reading from the holy "The Story of Pope's Barrels", by Ray M. Smith, page 97.

"The following is Mr. Pope's own formula for bullet lubricant, and can be used with perfect confidence for lubricating any bullets that are cast:
Six ounces mutton tallow.
Four ounces bay wax.
Two ounces beeswax.
Two ounces steam cylinder oil.
170 grains (two heaping teaspoons full) of Acheson's graphite.
Melt the ingredients in a double boiler, and agitate while cooling to aviod precipitation.
If this lubricant proves too hard for use during cold weather, omit the bay wax, which will usually aid in tightening the groups. Also, a hard bullet will usually perform better with a soft lubricant, and a soft bullet will shoot more accurately with a hard lubricant. The "Ideal" lubricant sold by The Lyman Gun Sight Corporation, Middlefield, Conn., is also excellent; and I do not hesitate to recommend it. The Leopold lubricant, made many years ago by E. A. Leopold, is practically unobtainable today. It is satisfactory for hot weather, but for me has never performed satisfactorily during cold weather".

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http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23302
Steam cylinder oil is most frequently known as "600W" oil and can be or might not be compounded with other substances such as grease/graphite/beeswax. It barely pours at room temperature but is designed to be an adequate lubricant as it thins out at steam temperatures.

There used to be different "grades" of steam cylinder oil. The seminal book "Steam Engine Principles and Practice" by Terrell Croft describes various grades of oil available in the 1920s when the book was printed and mostly these grades seemed to follow steam temperature and whether the steam was wet or dry or superheated.

Specialty Blenders of Heritage Lubricants
http://www.steamenginelube.com/cylinderoil.htm

John Boy
03-19-2014, 08:27 PM
Acheson's graphite = regular graphite?

cbrick
03-19-2014, 08:37 PM
Acheson's graphite = regular graphite?

A fair description here:

Bullet lube ingredients/descriptions (http://www.lasc.us/LubeIngredients.htm)

There is a sticky for this in the lube forum.

Rick

M-Tecs
03-19-2014, 08:40 PM
"bay wax"?

cbrick
03-19-2014, 09:04 PM
"bay wax"?

Probably refers to Bayberry wax also described here:

Bullet lube ingredients/descriptions (http://www.lasc.us/LubeIngredients.htm)

Rick

webfoot10
03-19-2014, 09:14 PM
Bay wax, Probability the wax from the bayberry bush. Bought some at a trade fair a few years ago, but don't know
where you get any now, unless you have access to bayberry bushes. Most I found were in New England states.
webfoot10

.22-10-45
03-20-2014, 01:27 AM
last year I mixed up some lubes containing Bayberry wax. This stuff is funny...it's so hard I had to use wood chisel to cut chunks off block..and even with razor sharp chisel..got mostly powder. I fiqured mixing with my std. beeswax-anyd. lanolin-castor oil lubes it would really harden them up..so I added just a few grains (reloading scale) at a time. The resulting lube wasn't noticeably harder...but it had the smoothest consistency of any lube I had made or bought. Maybe this year I'll try the stuff out...might make a nice black powder lube.

Eutectic
03-20-2014, 07:53 AM
I know one thing..... We should NEVER sell ol' boys like Pope and Mann short on making cast boolits shoot! Even if they worked at it 100+ years ago!

There may not have been as much in their pantry to use in their formulations; but rest assured they thoroughly tested what was available.

I have said many times now that the 'perfect lube' is still missing an ingredient we have not yet used....... Could it be Bay (Bayberry) wax or even Japan wax?

Speaking of Japan wax..... Have you found any for us yet Randyrat??????
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?155438-Japan-Wax

Who knows..... Maybe soon the 'Lube Thread' will have titles like: "Made more 'Pope Dope' today."

Eutectic

ohland
03-20-2014, 12:35 PM
Acheson's graphite = regular graphite?

After posting the start, I was looking for steam cylinder oil, found those links, then looked for Acheson's graphite... right to LASC. Whodathunkit...

http://www.lasc.us/LubeIngredients.htm#Achesongraphite1340

"Artificial Graphite. Amorphous graphite is produced artificially by Dr, Acheson in the electrical furnace. He is able by his process to produce graphite of a soft unctuous non-coalescing nature and almost chemically pure.

The varieties produced for lubricating purposes are guaranteed to contain 99 per cent, of pure carbon, but usually contain more. In one variety of graphite, No. 1340, 98 per cent, of the graphite particles are less than 3^ in. (I bet ^ means micro?) in diameter. From this or similar graphite Dr. Acheson produces what he calls deflocculated graphite by kneading it for a long time with water in the presence of a vegetable extract, such as tannic acid; the graphite particles in this process disintegrate into particles one thousand times less in diameter, in fact, Dr. Acheson estimates that each particle of the "1340" graphite becomes divided into 700,000 particles, a smallness of size bordering on the molecular, and the graphite becomes diffused in the water in colloidal form. "

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Hmm, The International Acheson Graphite Company, Acheson's graphite and Deflocculated Graphite" The Journal of Industrial and Engineering Chemistry, Volume 8, Part 1, American Chemical Society, Vol 8, No. 1, Jan 1916

ohland
03-20-2014, 12:57 PM
Speaking of Japan wax..... Have you found any for us yet Randyrat??????http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?155438-Japan-WaxEutectic

I see that there is a similar product called "Sumac Wax". There is a NJ distributor, but I can't find sizes. Or any mention, so far.
http://www.brenntagspecialties.com/en/downloads/Products/Personal_care/Koster_Keunen/Koster_Keunen_Product_Brochure.pdf

Shiloh
03-24-2014, 11:50 AM
Steam cylinder oil?? Maybe in Harry's time. perhaps one could find an equivilent.

SHiloh

Eutectic
03-24-2014, 01:39 PM
Steam cylinder oil?? Maybe in Harry's time. perhaps one could find an equivilent.

SHiloh

Chevron still has one.........

Eutectic

https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=77143&docFormat=PDF