Another Arisaka sporter

[blixen]

I've been looking for some decent wood for a bubbaed 99 rechambered to .300 savage that shoots excellently. I finally found it -- with a rifle attached. Now I'm looking for 7.7 dies and brass!

At a C-note I couldn't pass it up.

I'm thinking with some pillar bedding, I might be able use the .300 savage in the same stock.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/17/zy7uze9y.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/17/6evegute.jpg

[EMC45]

That rifle looks nice as it sits.

[blixen]

Apparently, it's a 'last ditch' model, judging by the bolt handle. (I like Arisakas but am often confused by the info/myths that I run across.) For the life of me, I can't figure out how to date them. This example has matching serial numbers, for what it's worth.

Here's a foto of my .300 Savage x 7.7 Arisaka.

[Eddie2002]

Just get some 30-06 brass, trim and resize it with the 7.7 Jap dies. Been doing it for years for my 2 Arisakas with no problems. Even 270 brass works well if you don't mind trimming a lot to make it fit. Can't tell from the pictures if it is a last ditch rifle, if the safety knob on the bolt is ugly looking with unmachined welds then it could be. Need the serial number and armory markings to date it for sure. You got a nice sporter with a good looking stock there, enjoy shooting it. If you can post a picture of the armory marks and series mark I'll see if I can date it for you. Toss sone tape on the serial # if you think you need too, all the info needed to date the rifle is in the armory mark and series mark. I don't know enough to tell you if it a rare one, just when and where it was made. Happy shooting.

[Bad Ass Wallace]

I've just had a new barrel fitted and chambered to 270 Savage.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/BAWallace/IMG_0006_zps648b66c5.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/BAWallace/media/IMG_0006_zps648b66c5.jpg.html)

[Eddie2002]

For all the bad press Arisakas get the action still sees a lot of nice modifications. Love your 270 conversion.

[blixen]

Markings:
My "new" sporter:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/ytyqa8e8.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/ynupymym.jpg

My .300 Sav. Arisaka:http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/yty4uvav.jpg

Safeties :
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/ra3ygahu.jpg

I've got a bunch of '06 range pickups!

[Bad Ass Wallace]

I chose the 270 Savage as a more suitable cartridge to shoot cast boolits. I have an old Ideal 280412 (141gn GC). I previously tried this in a 270 Winchester without a lot of success.

[leadman]

The 8 X 57 also reforms easily to the 7 X 58. Just a little short but it doesn't seem to affect anything and no harder to do than normal full length sizing.

[flounderman]

The bolt knob was reshaped and the fine checkered safety was done by whoever did the bolt, probably. The other safety looks original and it isn't a late one.

[Gtek]

それらは私がまだ軍の服であり、変更したくない、本当にいいの変換である。お楽しみください！ gtek

[smokeywolf]

それらは私がまだ軍の服であり、変更したくない、本当にいいの変換である。お楽しみください！ gtek

Your comment above makes reference to "army uniforms", with some reference to "not wanting to change and this is a really good conversion". At the very end it says "enjoy".

smokeywolf

[Ben]

I have enough problems fully understanding all the comments on this forum when it is written in English, much less some other language.................

[Gtek]

Sorry, silly moment. Said- nice looking sporters, mine are still military dress with no conversions.

[smokeywolf]

No apology necessary. Don't trust the internet translators; especially Google's.

If you or any of our other members ever need a English-Japanese or vice-versa translation of a few words or lines, my Mrs. and daughter are literate and fluent in both.

smokeywolf

[Eddie2002]

Blixen, Here's what I could find out about your two Arisakas. Your new sporter is a series 7 made at the Nagoya arsenal probably around 1942. The Nagoya arsenal had 11 full series of 100,000 rifles plus a final 12th series of 1,000 from 1939 till the end of the war in 1945. One of my Arisaka's is from the same arsenal and is a #7 series also but has a 4 digit serial number. It has the same type of safety knob as your's does. It's not a last ditch rifle but it shouldn't have a chrome liner in the barrel or a chrome bolt face. As issued it has the ladder type sights but did not come with the airplane wings or a monopod. Mine's a good shooter and a lot of fun at the range.
Your .300 Savage Arisaka looks like it came from the Toyo Kogyo arsenal (a circle with a horizontial line through it) but I can't make the series marking out well enough to date it. The Toyo Kogyo only had full production series from #30 to series #34 with the final series #35 only had 57,000 rifles in it. The bolt looks original and the fancy safety knob is also found in the earlier rifles, as the war continued the arsenals didn't have the ability or time to perform the nicer machining that is found on the early Arisakas. The Toyo Kogyo arsenal ran from 1939 to the end of the war in 1945.
Hope this helps and happy shooting.

[blixen]

You're a prince, Eddie!
BTW neither of the rifles has a chrome bore.
So you think the corduroy work on the Nagoya rifle's safety knob is original? One poster thought it might have been done by the "gunsmith" who bent the bolt. I'm making some 7.7 brass out of 30-06 or 8x57mm and I hope to shoot it this weekend.
Bore slugged at at least .314, which is about as big as i can cast.

[Eddie2002]

Blixen, the Nagoya safety knob looks just like the one on my Arisaka, it hasn't been reworked as far as I can tell. There are at least 3 types of knobs found on 7.7's, the fancy style like the one on your .300 Savage which goes with the rounded bolt handle, the cross cut type which is on your Nagoya which goes with the flat style bolt knob and the last ditch style which has unfinished welds and a small amount of machining on the safety. The last ditch can have either type of bolt handle or just a chunk of steel welded on. If you ever come across a 7.7 with a tab on the safety knob you have a model 38 safety on a model 99 bolt. I've heard that it works if the firing pin gets moved over also. Glad I could help.
I've been shooting a cast .312 100 grain bullet over 6-7 grains of Bullseye for plinkers.

[blixen]

I've been shooting a cast .312 100 grain bullet over 6-7 grains of Bullseye for plinkers.

Interesting. i have a lee semi-wadcutter mold that pops them out at about .313 and 90 grains. I've shot it with decent accuracy out of my 30-30s, but never tried it in the .300 Sav/7.7 Arisaka.
Thanks again. BTW, the serial what you say is a Toyo Kogyo is 6501 (I used an eye loupe). To the right of the arsenal mark seems to be the Japanese character for '3'. Here's what the series mark looks like:

[Eddie2002]

I'm not real familar with the Toyo Kogyo arsenal markings, the series 3 marking you posted looks right, may be i got the arsenal wrong. I'll look around and see what I can find. Just had a bone chip removed frm my elbow today so I'm not quite right.
That Lee semi-wad cutter would be a great plinker using 6-7 grains of fast burning pistol powder. I've been using a lee .32 caliber round nose mold that drops a .312 100 grain bullet with either greendot or bullseye. bullseye gives a better grouping probably because it is a faster powder. the plinkers work great out to about 50yds with a drop of about 4-6 inches, after that they are all over the place.

[blixen]

Take care of that elbow! I'll see if I can get better photos, but from the series lists I've seen, I looks like the best you can narrow down 99s is "1938-1944."

[Eddie2002]

good pills help and I'm in a splint for 10 days. with dating the model99's lower series were made at the beginning of the war so a low series number is from the beginning of the manufacturing time period, the higher the series number the later in the war the 99 was produced. It's a rough estimate as to when the rifle was made but it is better than nothing.
here's a link to gunbards.com forum that really know the arisakas
http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?52-Firearms-Of-The-Rising-Sun
nice place to lurk if you own a arisaka or other Japanese miltary stuff

[blixen]

At Cabela's this weekend, I saw two beautiful Arisaka re-barreled sporters. One in 6mmx284 and the other in 260 Remington. The work was obviously done by the same gunsmith. Nothing fancy--utilitarian. Pretty, but plain stocks, re-blued actions and barrels in the white (stainless?). Scopes mounted. Looked like they had been used very little, if at all. IIRC, $550 a piece.

Somebody went to a lot of trouble and expense on an Arisaka action. There was nobody around to ask about their origin.