Moly Lube

[glockky]

I was wondering if anyone had much luck using the black moly grease in a lube recipe. I shot some moly lubes in the past and liked them but wanted to make my own. I think part of it is how good the black lube looks on a shiny boolit.

[runfiverun]

make bens red and sub in moly chassis grease, up the b-wax by another 5% and you should be good to go.

[Elkins45]

Glenn Fryxell (LASC) says his favorite lube is equal parts Stabil MolyGraph grease and beeswax.

I mixed up a batch and have lubed some handgun boolets with it but I haven't shot any of them yet.

[glockky]

run do you think I would have similar performance as when using red n tacky?

[glockky]

Is there any particular brand of grease you would recommend?

[Boogieman]

I use Wally world Moly- lithium grease & beeswax 50-50 Works better for me than RCBS, Lee, or Lyman. It's easy to make & it's CHEEP.

[williamwaco]

I am too lazy to make my own, I use Lyman's

http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/super-moly.php

[glockky]

Is the wally world moly a black moly or like a white lithium

[runfiverun]

moly is black from the ground.
if you want the slightly thicker stuff get the tube grease it's number2 the assembly grease is closer to a number 1, if you want a #2.5 get the wheel bearing grease it has a higher drop point though so takes more heat to melt.

if you want it even closer to bens red add some more of the stp it contains the same paratack that the red and tacky contains and will make up for it not being in the grease.

I wouldn't add more though as paratack can cause some flinging issues in the colder weather [it tends to make the lube come off in uneven chunks]

[Elkins45]

I am to lazy to make my own, I use Lyman's

http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/super-moly.php

I think you and I are the only two people on this forum who like the Lyman Super Moly. It has some downsides in that its not cheap and it can get crumbly and dry out if you store lubed exposed boolets, but I have been really happy with it for fast rifle loads.

I think the main reason I like it is because it smells like greasepaint and it reminds me of those cheap Halloween costumes from when I was a kid.

[Elkins45]

Is there any particular brand of grease you would recommend?

Stabil MolyGraph. You can get it at NAPA.

[Bigslug]

Run, as happy as I've been with the Red, I find this notion of a "Ben's Black" rather intriguing.

In less than 139 forum pages, tell us - how is moly faring in The Quest?

[leftiye]

It taint. Not liked. Gear had something nasty end up in one of his barrels from it. Fouling that was near to impossible to get out.

[Bigslug]

Kinda what I figured, Gear having been on the anti-moly side of the fence pretty much since day one.

I have to wonder what the mechanism that leads to moly fouling actually is. Fryxell seems to love the stuff in his grease/wax base, and I never had cause to dislike it when Neco-plating it dry/carnauba onto jacketed, yet others consider it the antichrist. Something keeps it loose in one setting yet irons it on in another.

Gotta think it's not the moly but something in whatever is carrying it. . .or possibly some correlation between stainless and carbon steel barrels?

[Eutectic]

Kinda what I figured, Gear having been on the anti-moly side of the fence pretty much since day one.


And he ain't the only one!

Eutectic

[glockky]

So what's the problems with it?

[jmort]

What Geargnasher says makes sense to me.

[glockky]

What does he say?

[Boogieman]

Is the wally world moly a black moly or like a white lithium

It's a black #2 grease , fairly soft . Mixed 50-50 with beeswax it's a little softer than Lyman's alox/beeswax mix, that can be adjusted to your needs. runs through a size/luber without heat & will pan lub. It's sticky

[jmort]

RE: Geargnasher, I am not going to attempt to summarize his posts on the subject. After spending many hours reading lube threads, it is apparent he knows his stuff. He is working on a PhD level and I'm just trying to figure it out. Hopefully he will post here.

[runfiverun]

gear and myself are at times on polar ends of lube ingredients.
we quite often get the same results from the same cartridges approaching things from different directions.
maybe that's why we pm each other so much :lol:

anyway I do use moly in some of my lubes, the very best lube I have is called moly complex.
it's made with b-wax/soy wax and paraffin. [60/40/10]
has alox [15%], white lithium grease [30-35%], a poly-glycol based moly stick , and atf [3%]
it does take some heat to flow [but once warmed it holds the heat well]

I might could sub out the white lith grease with moly chassis grease, but i have about 25 sticks of this stuff.
I only use a golf ball sized piece to make 8 oz's of the lube.
anyway the white lith, alox, and moly are all something Gear don't like to use. [shrug]

[btroj]

You guys are on different ends of the lube spectrum? Say it ain't so!

Sometimes you just have to follow your gut and try something. I do that all the time. Over thinking things is sometimes the real enemy.

[glockky]

Well I have all the stuff to make it now. Maybe a test batch tomorrow

[glockky]

I didnt have a chance to make it today I decided to make some Satan lube instead. I was hoping gear would weigh in before I make a batch and tell me what is wrong with using moly.

[glockky]

Well I made some moly today. I dont know much about bullet lubes but it seems a little on the soft side to me maybe it will stiffen up some after a day or two. I would still like to hear gears reason for not liking moly

[randyrat]

Here is an Old recipe (modified) for your enjoyment if you want. Feel free to change it, twist it, call it folly, or just make it the way it is.
MIRROR LUBE
6 ounces beeswax weight or volume
2 ounces high temp lithium moly grease
2 table spoons of Carnauba wax (have no Carnauba, you can add a bit more beeswax)
1/2 ounce of Lanolin (anhydrous) Yes you can warm hydrous Lanolin to remove some water, low heat.

[Mal Paso]

It's Sta-Lube Moly-Graph. Part# SL3141

I've been using a version of glen's recipe for years in 44 Mag. 2/3 Randyrat's Beeswax to 1/3 Moly-Graph.

It's soft enough for lubsizers cold and won't melt in Phoenix. It's tacky, good lubestar at the muzzle, and not a trace of it on recovered boolits. I melt it and pour it into my 4500.

I haven't used solvent in the bore for years. A stiff bronze brush followed by a dry patch is enough. The rest of the gun is another story. Lube goes everywhere, under the crane and up inside the cylinder. I gave it the name El Mal Negro, The Bad Black.

The actual Moly content is quite small. It's just one of the additives to a Lithium Grease.

[Minerat]

Is there any particular brand of grease you would recommend?

Just got 2 tubes of Sta-Lube Molly at Harbor Freight $4.99/14 oz tube.

[rockrat]

I use lymans moly lube, but I usually mix one stick with 2 BAC and 2 CR sticks and other stuff. I like a little moly, but not alot. Resulting lube is a deep blue, like a midnight blue (which is what I call it).