Dillon 1050, Rotary drives 9mm & 45acp VS Human

[orisolo]

Hi Guys,

Just got my second rotary drive.
I decided to make a Video.

I had the PW auto-drive but sold it, it was to funky and lots of issues forming 300 blk brass.
The Rotary drive is the best for the 1050

Drives are running with difference sprockets that changes the output.
At the end you can see the manual press running By Jason forming 300 blk brass.
See who is faster ;)


http://youtu.be/MSdsmlMnPkY

[jmorris]

I can load 100 rounds in 2.5 min manually, like in this video.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/th_1050.jpg (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/1050.mp4)

The only problem with that is that after 100 rounds I have to stop and load the primer tube, primer tube filler and at some point top off the collators with cases and bullets. So your average speed is effected quite a bit.

With a PLC and autodrive you can have a machine that runs itself allowing you to multi task so even if it is not loading at the same rate, more work is effectively done anyway. For example take the 100 rounds in 2 min and stop vs loading 100 rounds in 5 while also filling things that need to be filled, case gauging and boxing the ammo that come out.

With this one I can load, casegauge and box 1000 rounds in 51m 2s. Or just start it up and the primer filler and go on about other tasks I need to do. Turing the time I have to be near a machine to load 100 rounds, into seconds vs minutes.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/th_VIDEO0114.jpg (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/VIDEO0114.mp4)


I installed 3 ph motors and used VFD's on the 1050 I converted. This allows you to change the speed with a dial on the controller. So you can run it as slow as you want or up to 4400-4600 cases per hour, that is about the limit of the case feed on the 1050. I only use that speed on processing passes and slow it back down to load.

Video of rotary running over 4400 cases per hour
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/reloading/auto%201050/th_VID_20130629_165943_746_zps1fffb858.jpg (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/reloading/auto%201050/VID_20130629_165943_746_zps1fffb858.mp4)

The rotary drive is a solid drive system but requires some permanent modifications to the press. It also does not lend itself well to switching between manual and auto operation (with the PW style one Allen wrench is all it takes). It also effectively turns the super 1050 back into an RL in that you can no longer do 308 with it, 223 is the longest case that will work with the shorter stroke.

The PW is a zero modification install but can be tricky to setup just right and can also have flex issues. I have a drive that I built for one of my 1050's that solves the flex problems of the PW and doesn't require mods to the machine like the Forcht but I haven't figured out if I might try and make some money on this idea or not.

[gunoil]

Human is the way to go, looks fast. Dont void your year warranty.

[LUBEDUDE]

Looks impressive

[M-Tecs]

Thanks for the posts. Great info.

[Spawn-Inc]

What are you guys doing with the brass? Sizing and deprimming?

[jmorris]

I just deprime/size, swage and trim (rifle) on the process pass. Except for 45 acp and I sort for small primer pockets in the process pass and swage on the loading pass.

This is how the sorter works.
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/th_VID_20131019_144919_066_zps63db164a.jpg (http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/VID_20131019_144919_066_zps63db164a.mp4)

[zaphod042]

wow! That's really impressive. It just blew me away to see it reject the small primer pocket case.

[xray30]

Wow that's fast. What size sprocket should I use to get to 800/hr? At the standard 1200/hr the brass wobbles when it indexes and my Lee Universal Decapper dents a lot of the case mouths when doing 223.

[orisolo]

Wow that's fast. What size sprocket should I use to get to 800/hr? At the standard 1200/hr the brass wobbles when it indexes and my Lee Universal Decapper dents a lot of the case mouths when doing 223.

I follow this chart.
I hope it will help



drive t
driven t
rpm


22
22
1200


22
20
1320


22
18
1467


22
15
1760


30
22
1636


30
20
1800


30
18
2000


30
15
2400


40
22
2182


40
20
2400


40
18
2667


40
15
3200


48
22
2618


48
20
2880


48
18
3200


48
15
3840


54
22
2945


54
20
3240


54
18
3600


54
15
4320

[jmorris]

And that is the beauty of a 3ph motor and a 115v VFD, any speed you want with the twist of a knob.

So you can prep cases at 4000/hr then twist the knob, fill the primer tube, powder measure and load at 1000.

[orisolo]

VFD is great, sprockets are cheaper ;)
I like your 45 sorter looks really good.

[jmorris]

Automation Direct has them for $100, less than the sprockets listed in #10 would cost. Not to mention much faster to change.

One way you could save some money with sprockets and also not have to mess with different length chains, would be to pick two sprockets with a tooth count that would give you a high speed and low speed (over and under drvien off the motor) by swapping them.

[orisolo]

Driven sprockets are cheap about $5/pc

I'm gonna check automation direct see what they have thanks.

[jmorris]

$5 is a good deal, where are you getting them at that price? The Tsubaki sprockets I use are $15 and up.

Here are the VFD's.

http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Drives/GS1_(120_-z-_230_VAC_V-z-Hz_Control)/GS1_Drive_Units_(120_-z-_230_VAC)

[orisolo]

$5 is a good deal, where are you getting them at that price? The Tsubaki sprockets I use are $15 and up.

Here are the VFD's.

http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Drives/GS1_(120_-z-_230_VAC_V-z-Hz_Control)/GS1_Drive_Units_(120_-z-_230_VAC)
Nice vfd I should try one.

here is the link for the $4 sprockets
they ship fast



http://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/Sprockets/Finished-Bore-Sprockets/?page_no=1&fq=ATR_PowerTransPitch:35&fq=ATR_Bore_Fractional:1%5C%22&page_length=9999

[jmorris]

The link is not working for me but it might be this darn tablet I an using.

[44Vaquero]

Try this link: http://www.surpluscenter.com/Sprockets/

[orisolo]

Sorry something is missing up.This site is starting to be a pain for to use.All this new IP blocking stuff they added blocked my 2 computers and using the damn phone is not easyHere is the link:http://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/Sprockets/Finished-Bore-Sprockets/?page_no=1&fq=ATR_PowerTransPitch:35&fq=ATR_Bore_Fractional:1%5C%22

[jmorris]

Thanks, no matter what you do you still need at least to of them and that is a great deal.

[orisolo]

They are also priced good on the chains.Overall i think they have good pricing.I like to order from them

[jmorris]

I have used them over the years for some stuff, they used to send me catalogs but it seemed like around 2003-2005 their prices went out of the "surplus" range. 1/3 of granger prices is pretty good though.