how many .45cal inlines out their.

[johnson1942]

ive read on several sites on the internet that the fast twist .45 cal in line is getting very popular. if this is true and you own one, are you aware that the 1/20 twist ones will shoot a .440, 500 grain paperpatch bullet very very well? also the 1/28 to 1/30 twist ones will shoot a 300grain .440 bullet perfectly also. make your own bullets or buy them from buffalo arms, your gun can become a 45/70 or 45/120 as a muzzleloader in power. i just want every one who has this type of gun to be aware of its potential. the internet said knight was the first to bring out the fast twist .45 and all the rest followed. with out knowing this info im in the process of building a 1/30 twist .45 lightweight easy to carry side lock. i have 3 choises for loads. a .45 sabot for a .357 bullet. a .45 sabot for a .40 cal bullet, and of course a .440 paperpatched bullet. i have swageing dies for the .40 and the .440 and i may have to get me a mould from lee for the .357 just to keep it interesting. think it is going to be fun to shoot.

[Squeeze]

they are building smokeless muzzleloaders out of pretty much any available 45-70 or equivalent platform. I have a savage ML2 with Pac-nor .45 (1-22)and .416(1-14) barrels. (Im still playing with the .45) It amazes me every time out. I havent shot paper patch yet, but I have shot sabot, and sabotless sized and knurled.

[johnson1942]

try a .440, 450 grain paperpatch bullet from buffalo arms. just buy 25 of them to try. 2 wraps of number 9 onion skin and it will fit perfect. should use a poly or fiber wad between bullet and powder. it will drive holes in holes and be a real game getter. cant say about the .416 barrel, would have to do some math on that one.

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

not 45 but I have a 50 NEF huntsman in a 1:28 twist that loves the hornady 410gr flat nose hollow base I bought all the store had back when they were available , I have a few left ,but run it on 320gr reals at the moment , but I have been curios about the 515-440f and the 515-500f as well as I have heard you can paper patch up the 501-440rf for the 500s&w has anyone here tried any of these

[johnson1942]

you need to talk to idaho ron, he does just what your talking about, and ron and his friends he has taught this too are getting one shot kills on elk with a bullet paperpatched like your talking about. it will turn your gun into the same power as a 50/90 sharps. i have shot a .492 550 grain paperpatched bullet in a inline of my sons and it was very accurate. you cant use 150 grains of powder like you do with sabots as it would break your arm. about 90 grains like the 50/90 sharps. anyways talk to idaho ron and he will get you going. paperpatch is very addictive. accurate, powerful, independent of bullet companys and reliable and clean.

[Nobade]

I have an old Gonic 45 cal. 1:22 twist that I rebuilt some time ago. Loaded with 90gr. FFg and a 400gr. .442" paper patched boolit, it is essentially a caseless 45-90 and shoots as well as any cartridge rifle I have. I used a 1901 Krag rear sight on it, so I have both a 100yd. "battle zero" and the flip-up for ranges out to 800 yds. It is a delight to use now with its new stock (the originals those rifles came with were awful) and I like not having to clean brass when I get home!

-Nobade

[smoked turkey]

I recently got a Remington 700ML in .45 caliber. I have never paper patched anything. But, from what I hear it is a very accurate technique as evidenced by your comments here. This is my first experience with .45 cal and so far I really like the way it shoots and handles. Thanks for the "push" to make it a paper patched 45-70.

[idahoron]

not 45 but I have a 50 NEF huntsman in a 1:28 twist that loves the hornady 410gr flat nose hollow base I bought all the store had back when they were available , I have a few left ,but run it on 320gr reals at the moment , but I have been curios about the 515-440f and the 515-500f as well as I have heard you can paper patch up the 501-440rf for the 500s&w has anyone here tried any of these

I have been shooting the Lee 500 S&W bullet for years. Like johnson1942 said I have been having super luck with these bullets.
The problem with the .515 bullets is sizing them down that much does not add to the accuracy with paper patching. Now is you had a .52 barrel those .515's should work great. I drove a 458 grain 500 S&W bullet through an elk's shoulder and it was found in the flank. Those bullets are like freight trains, It takes a lot to stop them.

[idahoron]

I recently got a Remington 700ML in .45 caliber. I have never paper patched anything. But, from what I hear it is a very accurate technique as evidenced by your comments here. This is my first experience with .45 cal and so far I really like the way it shoots and handles. Thanks for the "push" to make it a paper patched 45-70.

The RCBS 11mm rifle mould makes a great bullet for the 45 also. A couple wraps of the 9# onion skin and these are a wicked accurate hunting bullet.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd294/idahoron/Muzzleloaders/RCBS11mm405gr446.jpg

[johnson1942]

norbade, im really impressed with what you have done, and i think this may be the second time ive heard of your crag back sight. im going to go looking for one, the first time you wet my whistle and the secondtime im looking for one. smoked turkey we encourage you to paperpatch that .45 of yours as .45/s seem to me to be easy to patch and easy to work up a load on. you have a very nice high end rifle, turn it into a even better high end gun. i got very excited when my research showed that their are a lot .45 fast twist muzzleloader being bought out their recently. they are again i believe the easiest to paperpatch and work up a load on. the one im building im going to try a .45 mmp sabot and a .40 swaged 250 grain bullet. i have several pp deer and bigger game guns so i want to play with the smaller sabot thing. my research show that at about 1700 feet per sec that .40 cal. bullet should be a good one. thanks for the input

[Nobade]

norbade, im really impressed with what you have done, and i think this may be the second time ive heard of your crag back sight. im going to go looking for one, the first time you wet my whistle and the secondtime im looking for one.

Just keep an eye open for them on Ebay and they will come around. You want the 1901 model - there are at least three different models I am aware of. I also got myself a Buffington sight to use for this, but realized too late that the Trapdoor has a left hand twist barrel. The sight is set up to compensate for spin drift, but put it on a right hand twist barrel and it makes the problem twice as bad. Oops, it'll be in the drawer for another project. These old military sights are quite useful for muzzle loaders and other rifles that have large trajectories since they have way more movement than modern sporting type sights.

-Nobade

[fouronesix]

I thought the left slanted Buffington on the trapdoor was to compensate for the right drift due to the right hand twist of the trapdoor. Or I'm all upside down and backwards- which is also possible :)

[tacklebury]

I have a Huntsman .45 cal.

[Good Cheer]

Mine is sidelock, a lefthand TC New Englander relined to .458" bore diameter and 24" twist. Would like to have a longer range shooter too. Thought about .52, which really probably would be the best for a TC with 1" barrel, the platform I will most likely use.
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/NewEnglanderandLyman457124_zps8b48b4ba.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/NewEnglanderandLyman457124_zps8b48b4ba.jpg.html)

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/My45rifle_zpsca0189c6.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/My45rifle_zpsca0189c6.jpg.html)

[improman]

hello I just acquired a 1/18 twist 457 diameter rifle with a green mountain bbl 1 inch .I see this post on onion skin.WHAT IS IT? PLUS I LIKE that bullet.I ordered a lee hollow base 295 grain 550 diameter today,for this.What grain bullet in the pic?

[Nobade]

hello I just acquired a 1/18 twist 457 diameter rifle with a green mountain bbl 1 inch .I see this post on onion skin.WHAT IS IT? PLUS I LIKE that bullet.I ordered a lee hollow base 295 grain 550 diameter today,for this.What grain bullet in the pic?

Onionskin is the paper we used to use in typewriters when making carbon copies. It is thin, kind of crinkly, and very strong. Unfortunately since very few people make carbon copies with typewriters any more, it is very hard to get now. Buffalo Arms sells it still, there may be a online paper dealer out there that has some (I last got some from The Papermill but they don't seem to have it any more) and you can find it for sale on Ebay. Also keep an eye open at yard sales, flea markets, and thrift stores. I have two kinds, one adds .006" with two wraps and the other adds .007". I have heard of some that is light enough to add .005" but I have not come across any of that yet.

-Nobade

[johnson1942]

also look on the internet at art supplies. you can get really thin paper from them also, traceing paper.

[johnson1942]

P.S. the best way to make perfect bullets for paperpatching when casting is when you cast and wrap find the bullet that fits perfectly in your barrel. dont put it all the way in the barrel but the one that fits best and you can pull back out. you will find when you cast that they can very very slightly in diam and you dont want that in a pp bullet. mike that bullet and have a push through die made of the size of that bullet. that way you can size all your bullets to that size and it will be easier loading and better shooting for accracy. again the 1/18 twist .45 is a real shooter and not hard to work up a load on. have lots of fun.

[improman]

thank you Johnson..great info

[idahoron]

hello I just acquired a 1/18 twist 457 diameter rifle with a green mountain bbl 1 inch .I see this post on onion skin.WHAT IS IT? PLUS I LIKE that bullet.I ordered a lee hollow base 295 grain 550 diameter today,for this.What grain bullet in the pic?

Are you sure you ordered a .550 diameter mould for a .457 rifle? I have that barrel and mine is a .458 and there is no way I would get a .550 down it. Ron