The .32-20 'Whisper'.

[HABCAN]

I wrote this a few years ago, and post it here FYI.

THE.32-20 WHISPER

Frank Barnes said it all in his Cartridges of the World, Seventh Edition. The .300 Whisper was a caliber that really caught my attention, especially so as I already owned a T/C Contender. I decided that I really “needed” another barrel, and in that caliber. The barrel could be had, special order, through my regular wholesaler. I owned a wee gunshop in east-central Alberta, so I had access to many sources. But alas! Nobody, and I mean NO BODY, could supply me with the .221 Fireball brass necessary to form the Whisper cases. So there I was, stuck.

In my battery is a 10” .32-20 barrel with a Leupold 1.5X mounted. Ho! says I. The case looks to be about the same size. I already have a load that chronos just over 2000fps with the Hornady 100gr. SJ over 16.0 grs. 296 with CCI 500 primer. I already have a stock of Sierra 190gr. Matchkings which I shoot in my Garand. I have been handloading since 1947, so must have learned something of the art. Why not try to make a dream come true using available components?

Starting with wee pinches of odd powders, the first loads would not even exit the barrel. I’m a very cautious experimenter! 4.8grs. H110 averaged under 600fps. 5.5grs. of the same cratered the primers. 9.0grs. H335 gave no pressure indications, but had a huge muzzle flash. SR4759 showed promise. Eventually I had some loads coming out at between 800 and 900fps. Increasing very gradually, I eventually arrived at 8.6grs. SR4759 on the CCI 500 primer, which consistently chronographed at 1050fps. with no flash and no bore fouling. Seating depth must be held to give 1.985” OAL, to seat in my chamber. This gives a slightly compressed load. My PACT Professional chronograph shows an extreme spread of only 66.4fps. and rested accuracy from the bench is all I could ask from a scoped handgun.

The load loses velocity extremely slowly. The ballistic computer part of the PACT says only 100fps. in the first 300 yards, and only another 100fps. in the NEXT 300 yards! It sounds impossible, but given a required holdover correction by the PACT for 550 yards, it is no problem to hit Silhouette rams at 500 meters from the bench. And it will shatter good-sized rocks FAR downrange. This fearsome combination recoils about like a .38 Spl. 158gr. standard load in an average revolver, and report is minimal.

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NOW, of course, I have to go back and do it all again with BOOLITS! :roll:

[Jack Stanley]

Amazing thing that a resourcefull reloader can do eh ? Many years ago I had a contender with a 32-20 barrel , I think Redding considered it a 30-20 since the barrel was a .308 anyway . I managed to try some 311466 in it before I got rid of it and remember they worked well .

Jack

[Slowpoke]

Howdy

I read a article in the IMHSA news many years ago by Larry Harris, he shot a 10inch TC and BF in 32-20, he also chose the Sierra 190 gr, he found 296 and H-4227 were his best loads.

H-4227 ----9.5 grs ----- = 1084fps

296 ------ 9 grs ---------- = 1042 fps

296 -------9.5 grs ------ = 1091fps

He settled on the 9.5 296 for his match load and done quite well with it.

I shoot a 20 in. TC in 32-20 and have done a little heavy boolit shooting, nothing definitive yet, but 9 gr. of 296 and the Saeco 315 looks real good.

I have sent a few 314299's down range and at 100yrds they print nice round holes.

good luck and keep us updated on your findings with boolits.

[JSH]

My favorite round to play with the 30-20. I have played with this 10"TC barrel for several years. I have the same findings with the SIerra 180's and 190's. I still have a bunch left. I also used 296, but found it to act kind of crazy some times. I switched to AA#9 and have not looked back.
I am getting just as good of groups with CB's but have had to run them a bit faster. They are running supersonic, but when the get past 150, they throw me a fit as the fall back down through to subsonic, or at least that is what I figure.
Strange thing is I am right back at the same powder charge I was using for the jacketed, but I am using a lighter boolet. Thus my speed is a bit faster. I had looked at 4759 but didn't think it would work well. I may just throw together a small load ramp with this as I have a few hundred empty cases waiting on me.
One thing I have done is get away from small rifle primers. I went to standard small pistol. Chrono showed a bit of a + here and there, so I stayed with them.
I have two different pistolas in the 30-20 a 10"TC and a 8 3/4" BF. I am shooting the 31141, RCBS 165 SIL, the Lee harris GB of the 160 and the RG4. I have just started to load the GB one large lube groove PB. I have not shot enough of them to tell if they will do what I had planned. They have worked OK in a couple of rifles, but once again not much work with them there eiether.
Jeff

[Dale53]

When I was shooting hunter pistol, I ended up with the .30 Carbine with heavy (170 gr cast gas check) bullets. I had seen nothing in print about using heavy bullets with this case. I used RL-7 and got excellent results. I was able to use the same sight setting for all of the targets (on the Rams, I held at the top of the back). It surely took the Rams down, RIGHT NOW! Accuracy was only limited by the resolving power of the Leupold 2 power scope. It was a really nice combination.

Within the year, there was quite a bit in print on this combination (apparently all arrived at independently).

FWIW, I used a TC barrel.

Dale53

[lathesmith]

Another example of "what's old is new again", eh? Experimenting within reasonable limits is fun and educational, and sometimes yields some very useable stuff. I like reading about it, for sure!
lathesmith

[HABCAN]

My only suggestion to alter the data shown on the pic would be to substitute Small Rifle primers. Again, start small and work up. I accept no responsibility if you KABOOM.

[James C. Snodgrass]

I know JSH has done well with the 32/20 , But I'm curios if the new Fed 327 is going to have about the same case capacity, So you could do the same thing with a better case not the thin walled 32/20, other than that I think you have got the best cartridge out there for IHMSA. Good luck & good shootin' James

[dk17hmr]

Sure is a fun little caliber eh. I load a 156gr cast bullet with 2.2gr of Trailboss for the Savage rifle my dad owns, there is hardly any noise and sure does work well on rabbits.

[JeffinNZ]

Here is my .32-20 Whisper. Whispering death I call it. I built it up on a Martini 12 converted to centerfire using a .303 Brit SMLE barrel and over barrel suppressor. Suppressors are legal here you see.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/JeffinNZ/Shooting%20stuff/100-0023_IMG.jpg

I got tired of shooting hares with a suppressed .22RF and them not falling over. I was already set up for .32-20 so developed this. Very quiet but retains a poltice of knock down for small game.

The fast twist barrel will stabilise bullets from 100-220gr. I shoot mostly subsonic but push my Lyman 311316 at close to 2000fps for a snotty load.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/JeffinNZ/Shooting%20stuff/100-0053_IMG-1.jpg

It is a great game rifle and I would even use it on deer with the heavy bullets for head or neck shots as most deer in NZ are shot in the bush at very close range.

My wife is a southpaw and the Martini suits her very well also.

[HABCAN]

Doug, I never even heard of 'Trailboss' 'til a little while ago, but I read your bunny-huntin' post and just gotta get me some. And Jeff, THANK YOU for your input!! All those lovely little Martinis dried up here over thirty years ago. I guess them as has 'em is a-keepin' 'em. We envy you your legal supressor!

[JeffinNZ]

My pleasure HABCAN. Suppressors are all the rag right now and I have one on my .223 varmint rig also. Cuts the noise of a full house load down to .22RF levels. A bit front heavy now but great for running shots.

The wee Martinis are great. Still a lot knocking around over here. Had a nice 12/15 I was going to butcher but it was so nice and shot SOOO well I didn't have the heart to chop it and sold it on to a guy who collects RF target rifles.

[rockrat]

Used to shoot IHMSA with an MOA in 32-20. Shot it in unlimited (14"bbl). Best score was a 37. Hit 38, but one of the shots was just at the buzzer, so was late. Was shooting the RCBS 30-165 sil and 5744. No problems with any targets not dropping.

[emack]

My only suggestion to alter the data shown on the pic would be to substitute Small Rifle primers. Again, start small and work up. I accept no responsibility if you KABOOM.

I just made a trade for a custom Ruger #3 in 32/20 I made the deal just to get the action and change the caliber. after looking at some of the posts on here I think I will give it a try. it came with bullets 100 gr speer. and 115 gr lead. dies. and brass. the rifle has less then 200 rds fired. it just may be a little fun gun. also have the same custom rifle in 250/3000. i will let you know how it works out. emack

[MT Chambers]

I'm another Canadian shooting the .300 Whisper,subsonic, with cast bullets. I used .222Rem. and necked down to .300 Whisper. The slightly thicker mat'l. on the necks works out perfectly with my .310" bullets, experimenting with #311332 and #311284 both cast from Mono. It is a Rem. 700 with pac-nor barrel, the first group with 7.5 grs. of AA9 produced a .300" group at 100yds., and I'm just starting to experiment.

[johnly]

Another 10" 30-20 Contender owner here. Fun, accurate, and cheap on the wallet to shoot. It's one of my favorite Contender chamberings.

John

[JSH]

For those shooting the 30x221 in the TC chambering. I found when I had mine the 222 to work better, as mentioned above the brass is some what thicker and takes up the slop. I did not have to ream or neck turn mine, your milage may vary. I have read that SSK used 223 brass to make their ammo. I tried some milsurp and commercial brass and had poor results.
Yes this will go faster with a file trim type die. I did however make a 357 file trim die work before I ran across a 30x221 file trim type die.
As to James reply about the best cartridge going for IHMSA. I will say it may be a good one for folks to enter this sport in and use the same gun for a number of areas. Mainly because of the variety of 30 caliber bullets.
I am also interested to see how the 327 goes, with a 308 bore mind you, sorry. I have not looked at it real hard as of yet, but OAL of the case may cause problems for P and FP areas.
There ya go James. An FA chambered in 327 with a cylinder long enough to use 200+ grain CB's.
Jeff

[PineTreeGreen]

I've tried the .30 M1 w/10"twist, in IHMSA 20 yrs. ago. I tried boolits as heavy as 205 grs(and got accused of shooting"Cruise Missiles")and had a pretty good time. I believe the powder was Win 630 or Rx-7.
Now I have a new stainless .30 M1 barrel and find that RCBS .30-165 SIL and 5744 do quite well. Started at 10.5 grs and worked up to 12.5. So far so good.
Your mileage may vary. :-D

[Mugs]

I also have been using the RCBS 30-165 in the 30 carbine. Give AA#9 a also a great powder in the carbine. Takes down rams good.
Mugs

[GrizzLeeBear]

I am also interested to see how the 327 goes, with a 308 bore mind you, sorry. I have not looked at it real hard as of yet, but OAL of the case may cause problems for P and FP areas....

Jeff, IHMSA FP rules allow max. CASE length of 1.29". OAL cartridge length does not matter. The 327 has a case length of 1.2" so would be no problem. I am hoping that TC adds it as a standard chambering in a 1 in 10 twist, or at least Fox Ridge does. I think the 327 would make a super dual purpose round in a 10" barrel. Load light bullets for FP and heavy bullets for Big Bore Production. You would not have to worry about thin necks and could load with carbide dies. With the new aftermarket barrel rule, you could also get any of the custom barrel makers to make a barrel for it too.

[HABCAN]

Not to be ungrateful for all the other info posted here, but what has this to do with low-vel heavy-bullet loads in the .32-20?

[Nueces]

Waal....if ya want purity and believe in Heaven, you can seek it there.

Here? fuhgeddaboudit! :mrgreen:

Mark

[txpete]

anyone tried 125 gr gc's in their 300 whisper super-sonic loads.I would to try some as I have some cast ready to load.
thanks
pete

[Andy_P]

I'm going to go out on a limb and pose a question related to subsonic loads for the 32/20.

I have a Husqvarna Model 25 with a 28" barrel. I don't mind trying for myself, but I'd rather not stick bullets in the barrel. Any suggestions for a load that would push a 160 gr bullet all the way out of the barrel for about 900 fps at pressures in the 20K psi and lower range? To make things more complicated, loaded OAL will need to be 1.750" - doesn't leave much powder room.

[Andy_P]

I'm going to try starting 38 Special loads - there are dozens of loads out there for heavy bullets for it. The 32-20 has slightly greater case capacity (but a much smaller bore), and the published loads are very low pressure (12K CUP or so). My major concern will be a bullet not leaving the bore, so I'll have to check after each shot. Twist is 1:16, which is marginal for the 180gr bullet, and the low MV might be the kicker to not stabilize it enough. That's part of the fun of trying.

[Scrounger]

85 gr. Sierra SP 1.690 Bullseye **4.5 1205 W S R Starline 80° 6/26/97
85 gr. Sierra SP 1.690 Bullseye **5.0 1365 W S R Starline 80° 7/14/97
85 gr. Sierra SP 1.690 Bullseye **5.5 1420 W S R Starline 60° 11/2/98
85 gr. Sierra SP 1.690 Univ Clays *5.0 1210 W S R Starline 80° 6/26/97
85 gr. Sierra SP 1.690 Univ Clays *5.5 1315 W S R Starline 70° 6/20/97
85 gr. Sierra SP 1.690 Unique 5.0 1165 W S R Starline 80° 6/26/97 inconsistent

110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 Bullseye **5.0 1155 W S R R P 60° 4/9/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 Bullseye **5.0 1175 W S R Starline 60° 4/9/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 Univ Clays *5.5 1150 W S R R P 55° 3/31/97
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 Univ Clays 5.5 1160 W S R R P 60° 4/9/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 N340 5.0 1025 W S R Starline 70° 11/20/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 N340 **5.5 1105 W S R Starline 70° 11/20/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 N340 **5.5 1125 W S R R P 60° 4/9/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 N340 *5.5 1135 W S R R P 55° 3/31/97
110 gr. Hornady SP 1.820 N340 **5.5 1125 BR 4 Starline 70° 11/27/98 best
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.000 Unique 5.0 1050 BR 4 Starline 70° 11/27/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 Unique *5.5 1120 W S R R P 55° 3/31/97
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 Unique **5.5 1140 W S R R P 60° 4/9/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 Unique 6.0 1185 W S R R P 60° 4/9/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 SR4756 5.5 1030 W S R R P 55° 3/31/97
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 Blue Dot 6.5 1075 W S R R P 60° 4/9/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 1.900 N105 6.5 990 W S R Starline 60° 10/30/98 inconsistent
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.000 N105 *6.5 1095 W S R Starline 60° 10/30/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 N105 *7.0 1195 W S R Starline 60° 11/2/98
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 N110 7.5 1090 W S R R P 55° 3/31/97
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 N110 **11.0 1515 CCI 400 Starline 90° 5/30/02
110 gr. Hornady SP 2.010 2400 8.0 1130 W S R R P 60° 4/9/98

110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Bullseye 3.6 860 W S R R P 70° 1/30/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Bullseye *4.5 1045 W S R R P 60° 2/4/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Univ Clays *4.5 990 W S R R P 70° 1/30/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Univ Clays 5.0 1050 W S R Starline 70° 6/20/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Univ Clays *5.0 1080 W S R R P 60° 2/4/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Univ Clays 5.5 1115 W S R Starline 70° 6/20/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Univ Clays **5.5 1130 W S R R P 60° 2/4/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Unique *5.0 1095 W S R R P 70° 1/30/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Unique 5.2 1095 W S R R P 55° 1/22/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Unique 5.5 1145 W S R R P 55° 1/22/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 N340 *5.5 1095 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 N340 6.0 1205 W S R R P 60° 2/27/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 4756 *6.0 1140 W S R R P 60° 4/3/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Blue Dot *6.5 1140 W S R R P 60° 2/27/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 Blue Dot 7.1 1180 W S R R P 55° 1/22/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 N110 *7.5 1110 W S R R P 60° 2/27/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 N110 8.0 1170 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 N110 8.5 1265 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 2400 7.5 1060 W S R R P 60° 2/4/97 inconsistent
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 2400 *8.1 1125 W S R R P 70° 1/30/97
110 gr. Speer SP 1.955 2400 8.5 1200 W S R R P 55° 1/22/97

110 gr. Sierra HP 1.900 Bullseye *4.5 1050 W S R Starline 80° 6/26/97
110 gr. Sierra HP 1.690 Bullseye *5.0 1195 W S R Starline 80° 7/14/97
110 gr. Sierra HP 1.900 Univ Clays *5.0 1020 W S R Starline 80° 6/26/97
110 gr. Sierra HP 1.895 N340 **5.5 1115 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00
110 gr. Sierra HP 1.900 Unique 5.0 1010 W S R Starline 80° 6/26/97
110 gr. Sierra HP 1.900 Unique *5.5 1130 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97
110 gr. Sierra HP 1.900 Blue Dot 7.5 1220 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97 inconsistent
110 gr. Sierra HP 1.900 2400 *8.5 1170 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97

123 gr. RCBS 1.785 Univ Clays 5.0 1175 W S R Starline 70° 11/20/98
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 Univ Clays *6.0 1360 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00
123 gr. RCBS 1.785 N340 **5.0 1150 W S R Starline 70° 11/20/98
123 gr. RCBS 1.725 N340 *5.5 1205 W S R Starline 70° 11/27/98
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 N340 **6.0 1325 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00 best
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 N340 **6.5 1410 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
123 gr. RCBS 1.725 Unique **5.0 1120 W S R Starline 70° 11/27/98
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 Unique *6.0 1330 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 Blue Dot 7.5 1245 CCI 400 Starline 75° 11/8/02
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 Blue Dot *8.0 1480 CCI 400 Starline 75° 11/2/02
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 Blue Dot **8.5 1550 CCI 400 Starline 75° 11/2/02
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 Blue Dot *9.0 1580 CCI 400 Starline 75° 11/2/02
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 Blue Dot *9.5 1640 CCI 400 Starline 75° 11/2/02
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 Blue Dot 10.0 1690 CCI 400 Starline 75° 11/2/02 NM/Max
123 gr. RCBS 1.725 N105 7.0 1125 W S R Starline 70° 11/27/98
123 gr. RCBS 1.725 N105 7.5 1240 W S R Starline 70° 11/27/98
123 gr. RCBS 1.710 N105 8.0 1450 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00

125 gr. Remington SP 1.900 Blue Dot **9.0 1425 CCI 400 Starline 75° 11/2/02
125 gr. Remington SP 1.900 Blue Dot **10.0 1535 CCI 400 Starline 75° 10/25/02
125 gr. Remington SP 1.900 N105 **8.5 1335 CCI 400 Starline 75° 5/30/02
125 gr. Remington SP 1.900 N105 **9.0 1375 CCI 400 Starline 75° 10/25/02

125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 Univ Clays 5.0 1025 W S R Starline 70° 6/20/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 Univ Clays *5.0 1020 W S R R P 60° 2/4/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 Univ Clays 5.2 1030 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 Univ Clays *5.5 1090 W S R R P 60° 2/4/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 Unique 5.5 1040 W S R R P 60° 1/7/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 Unique 6.0 1160 W S R R P 60° 2/27/97 inconsistent
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 N340 5.2 990 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 N340 **6.0 1145 W S R R P 60° 2/27/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 4756 6.0 1065 W S R R P 60° 4/3/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.000 N105 6.5 905 W S R Starline 60° 10/30/98 inconsistent
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 Blue Dot 6.5 1110 W S R R P 60° 2/27/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.100 N105 *6.5 905 W S R Starline 60° 10/30/98
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 N110 7.5 1050 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 2400 **7.5 1025 W S R R P 60° 2/4/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 2400 8.5 1120 W S R R P 55° 1/22/97
125 gr. Speer TNT 2.105 IMR 4227 9.5 1080 W S R R P 60° 1/7/97 inconsistent

130 gr. Hornady SP 2.020 N105 **8.5 1340 CCI 400 Starline 90° 5/30/02

150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N340 5.5 895 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N340 **6.0 990 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N105 *5.5 700 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N105 *6.5 915 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 Blue Dot 6.5 840 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 Blue Dot *7.5 1010 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 2400 *7.5 880 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 2400 *8.5 1050 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 #9 *10.0 1310 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 #9 **10.5 1375 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 #9 **11.0 1390 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N110 *7.0 815 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N110 *8.0 980 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N110 **10.0 1250 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N110 **11.0 1350 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.150 N110 **11.0 1400 CCI 400 Starline 90° 5/30/02
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N110 **11.0 1430 Rem BR Starline 80° 9/15/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N110 **11.5 1415 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N110 **12.0 1465 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 W-296 *11.5 1380 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 W-296 12.0 1445 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/23/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 W-296 **12.5 1520 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 H-4227 12.5 1385 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 5744 *12.0 1150 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N120 13.0 1280 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N120 **14.0 1390 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
150 gr. Hornady SP 2.125 N130 *14.0 1220 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00

150 gr. Sierra SP 2.140 Blue Dot **9.5 1425 CCI 400 Starline 75° 11/8/02
150 gr. Sierra SP 2.140 Blue Dot *10.0 1435 CCI 400 Starline 75° 10/25/02
150 gr. Sierra SP 2.140 N110 **11.0 1390 CCI 400 Starline 75° 10/25/02
150 gr. Sierra SP 2.140 N110 **12.0 1500 CCI 400 Starline 75° 10/25/02 Max

150 gr. Sierra BT 2.100 N110 **11.0 1390 CCI 400 Starline 75° 10/25/02

158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 Unique 5.0 940 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 Blue Dot 7.0 1170 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 2400 7.0 1040 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 2400 7.5 1110 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 2400 8.5 1140 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 2400 **10.0 1380 Rem BR Starline 65° 10/13/00
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 N110 **9.5 1385 Rem BR Starline 80° 9/15/00
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 N110 **10.0 1430 Rem BR Starline 80° 9/15/00
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 N110 *10.5 1455 Rem BR Starline 80° 9/15/00
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 N110 *11.0 1500 Rem BR Starline 80° 9/15/00
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 E - FFFg **18.0 705 W S R Starline 60° 10/30/98
158 gr. RCBS FP 1.795 E - FFFg 19.0 730 W S R Starline 60° 10/30/98

165 gr. Rem SP 2.135 N110 **11.0 1345 CCI 400 Starline 75° 10/25/02 NM
165 gr. Rem SP 2.135 N120 **14.0 1355 CCI 400 Starline 75° 10/25/02 more recoil than N110

165 gr. Hornady SP 2.150 N120 **13.5 1335 CCI 400 Starline 90° 5/30/02

168 gr. Sierra MK 2.100 N105 *7.0 955 W S R Starline 60° 10/30/98

168 gr. Speer Match 2.145 Univ Clays 5.2 890 W S R Starline 70° 6/20/97
168 gr. Speer Match 2.145 Univ Clays 5.2 850 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
168 gr. Speer Match 2.145 N340 6.0 925 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
168 gr. Speer Match 2.145 N105 *7.0 955 W S R Starline 60° 10/30/98
168 gr. Speer Match 2.145 N110 7.5 950 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
168 gr. Speer Match 2.170 N110 **10.0 1260 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
168 gr. Speer Match moly 2.170 2400 10.0 1250 Rem BR Starline 65° 10/13/00
168 gr. Speer Match 2.145 AA 9 *10.0 1250 W S R Starline 70° 6/20/97
168 gr. Speer Match moly 2.170 AA 9 *11.0 1295 Rem BR Starline 65° 10/13/00
168 gr. Speer Match 2.170 W-296 **12.0 1450 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
168 gr. Speer Match 2.145 H-110 11.0 1260 W S R R P 60° 2/26/97
168 gr. Speer Match 2.145 H-110 *11.0 1285 W S R Starline 70° 6/20/97
168 gr. Speer Match 2.170 H-4227 *12.5 1405 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
168 gr. Speer Match 2.170 5744 12.0 1225 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
168 gr. Speer Match 2.170 N120 **13.0 1305 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00
168 gr. Speer Match moly 2.170 N120 **13.5 1315 Rem BR Starline 65° 10/13/00
168 gr. Speer Match 2.170 N120 **13.5 1345 Rem BR Starline 65° 10/13/00
168 gr. Speer Match 2.170 N130 **14.0 1255 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00

180 gr. RCBS Sil Blue Dot **8.5 1395 CCI 400 Starline 75° 11/8/02

180 gr. Sierra BT moly 2.165 N340 6.0 920 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00 one shot
180 gr. Sierra BT moly 2.165 N105 6.5 890 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00 one shot
180 gr. Sierra BT moly 2.165 Blue Dot 7.5 1060 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00 one shot
180 gr. Sierra BT moly 2.165 2400 8.5 1040 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00 one shot
180 gr. Sierra BT moly 2.165 2400 10.0 1200 Rem BR Starline 65° 10/13/00
180 gr. Sierra BT moly 2.165 N110 8.0 940 Rem BR Starline 80° 8/18/00 one shot
180 gr. Sierra BT moly 2.165 #9 *11.0 1300 Rem BR Starline 65° 10/13/00

190 gr. Hornady BT 2.055 AA 9 *9.5 1150 W S R Starline 70° 6/20/97
190 gr. Hornady BT 2.055 H-110 10.0 1115 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97
190 gr. Hornady BT 2.055 H-110 *10.0 1125 W S R Starline 70° 6/20/97

190 gr. Sierra MK 2.095 H-110 10.0 1130 W S R R P 60° 1/8/97

[tn gun runner]

The 30-20 TC .. 200gr cast and 165 jacketed both shot great in 10" TC

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[EDG]

I always wondered what all the .300 Whisper "noise" was about in a Contender.
30 Herrett barrels are much more common and are usually cheap in both 10" and Super 14" and could be used for the Whisper role. Not only that their throats are long enough for any bullet that the twist can stabilize. You can drop a 180 round nose down mine and seat a sized case and never touch the bullet.

[leadman]

EDG, you are correct that 30 Herret barrels are usually cheaper than one in 300 Whisper. The difference goes away when you consider the cost of Herrett forming dies and loading dies. I use 223 brass, one pass thru the sizer, cut off with small hacksaw(Harbor Freight) and trim.
The 300 Whisper was originally designed to work in the AR platform with up to 250grain bullets with 1/2 moa at 500 yards.
Having shot the 240 gr. Sierra in my 18" 1 in 8 twist some it seems the faster twist is needed when going really heavy. My groups were smaller at 200 yards than 100 yards. Its been several years since I shot the 240s' so don't remember the load offhand, but it was subsonic.
I took a couple deer with the 125gr.NoslerBT at 2200fps, did a good job with no bloodshot meat. I also shoot a 205gr.ACWW with 11gr. WC680. don't recall the fps, but it is very accurate.
Like most things in life there is more than one way to get to the same point.

[EDG]

Hello Leadman,
I was aware that the 300 Whisper was originally developed for the Ar/M-16 application.
But anyone that was already shooting a 30 Herrett could load it like a Whisper.
If you have not loaded for a 30 Herrett the brass can actually be formed with the full length sizer. Then use a drill press or tubing cutter to cut off the excess. A friend of mine bought his used 30 Herrrett barrel and a set of cheap Lee dies for about $85 total. The other part of the story is that .221 brass is not available everywhere and is sometimes expensive. Easy enough to get mail order though I have not bought any lately. I once owned an XP-100 and brass was not readily available all the time. Once fired 30-30 brass is available almost everywhere.

[leadman]

Hello EDG,
I don't use 221 brass for my 300 Whisper, I use 223 that I pick up for free.
I haven't formed 30 Herrett, but have loaded it.
There are many cartridge cases that will work with subsonic loads, with the 32-20 & 32 H&R working well. The rifling twist is what determines how well the load will shoot most of the time with the heaviest of the 30 cal. bullets.

My 30-30 Contender 21" barrel does not like slow bullets over 200 grs. My Whisper will shoot 240 gr. very well.

As long as everyone is having fun at what they are doing and are satisfied with the results life is good!