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Old Ironsights
02-24-2014, 10:49 PM
Anybody reload 7.62x54R for the Mosin?

I know that, by in large, it's dumb... because practice ammo is so cheap... but the Fishy Game Cops don't like FMJ and I think a Cast Boolit might be a better option than the pricey (comparatively) OEM SP...

Baja_Traveler
02-24-2014, 10:53 PM
Do a search here and you will find all kinds of threads about loading for the Mosin...

97750

Bullshop
02-24-2014, 10:55 PM
There is an ongoing thread on the Lyman 314299 in the Mosin. I don't know how to find it but have been seeing it using the today feature very recently but not today.
I have used three different boolits in the Mosin and all worked well. These included a 165gn RNGC from NEI, a 180gn truncated cone gas check from Saeco, and the Lyman 214299.

richhodg66
02-24-2014, 11:09 PM
The 311284 works well in mine.

I don't like shooting the milsurp stuff. It's all corrosive and that's just a hassle that's easily avoided. The cast are easier on your shoulder too, and it was easier for me to get the sights to hit to point of aim for reasonable ranges too.

Once you get the brass, it loads like any other .30 caliber for the most part.

Bullshop Junior
02-24-2014, 11:09 PM
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=230593

Old Ironsights
02-25-2014, 09:12 AM
Thanks. I did a cursory search earlier but somehow came up with zero.

dilly
02-25-2014, 09:21 AM
When you guys load for this caliber, are 308 jacketed bullets appropriate or the slightly bigger ones like in 303 Brit or 7.7 Japanese?

Bullshop Junior
02-25-2014, 09:58 AM
They wont work very good. They have .310 and .311 bullets available.

Shiloh
02-25-2014, 10:00 AM
My sons M44 version doesn't shoot all that great with surplus ball. The condition of the bore, rough, makes me question the feasability of cast. Don't want t be mining lead out of the bore.

Shiloh

Junior1942
02-25-2014, 10:58 AM
When you guys load for this caliber, are 308 jacketed bullets appropriate or the slightly bigger ones like in 303 Brit or 7.7 Japanese?The M44 I call my "Rain Rifle" shoots the .308" Hornady 220 gr RN just fine. V = 2000 fps and @ 50 yards it puts every round in a 4 3/4" bull.

Bullshop Junior
02-25-2014, 11:12 AM
The rifles are capable of better then 4 and a half inch groups. Mine shot better then that. I wanna say average was about 1.5"-2" at 100 yards with the iron sights. I only bee shot cast out of it.

dragon813gt
02-25-2014, 11:38 AM
I will be reloading it after a mold arrives and I shoot up 200 rounds of PPU ammo I ordered. Couldn't find any brass and a reasonable price so I just bought new. I'm done w/ corrosive ammo.

zidave
02-25-2014, 12:14 PM
I just loaded my first batch of 50 last night.
Need suggestions on plinking loads cuz 42gr of Varget per shot isn't going to make my powder last.

WILCO
02-25-2014, 12:23 PM
I just loaded my first batch of 50 last night.
Need suggestions on plinking loads cuz 42gr of Varget per shot isn't going to make my powder last.

Stickies man! Gotta read the stickies. :)

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?13425-Cast-Bullet-Loads-for-Military-Rifles-Article

zidave
02-25-2014, 12:34 PM
Stickies man! Gotta read the stickies. :)

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?13425-Cast-Bullet-Loads-for-Military-Rifles-Article

Thanks!

leadman
02-25-2014, 12:46 PM
I have a 1940 91/30 that I removed the rear sight base and installed an NcStar 2 X 7 pistol scope on with 22 cal rings. With the 314299 sized .315" coated with Hi-Tek, gas checked, Alliant 300 MP powder, Mag Tech primer. I shot several groups that were around 1" at 100 yards and 1 that was .6". I started at 17grs of powder and worked up to 20grs IIRC. Top velocity was about 1,900 fps which would make a good deer load.
Similar powders like SR 4759, 2400, AA5744, should all work close to the same.

This gun was recrowned when I bought it and someone had been trying to get it to shoot. I had to epoxy bed the recoil lug area and releive the foreend and handguard to get it to shoot well.

Multigunner
02-25-2014, 01:43 PM
The Hornady .312 150 gr worked great in an old hex receiver MN I made up some loads for.
I use Winchester 760 powder for those.

Hang Fire
02-25-2014, 02:12 PM
The 311284 works well in mine.

I don't like shooting the milsurp stuff. It's all corrosive and that's just a hassle that's easily avoided. The cast are easier on your shoulder too, and it was easier for me to get the sights to hit to point of aim for reasonable ranges too.

Once you get the brass, it loads like any other .30 caliber for the most part.

The so called hassle of cleaning after shooting corrosive milsurp ammo is way overblown. I just mop the bore well with plain water, run through dome dry patches, followed with lubed ones, done. Never had a problem with corrosion in my five (3 are Finn M39s) Mosin Nagant rifles.

Hang Fire
02-25-2014, 02:20 PM
The M44 I call my "Rain Rifle" shoots the .308" Hornady 220 gr RN just fine. V = 2000 fps and @ 50 yards it puts every round in a 4 3/4" bull.

Junior, IRRC, you posted that Hornady info on your home page, I tried it couple times in MN rifle which slugged .312" and they proved very accurate. So much for undersize J-words not shooting good.

Larry Gibson
02-25-2014, 03:36 PM
The reason those 200 gr .308s shoot well is th very long bearing surface. Try a 125 gr .308W SP and then a .310-.312 123 - 125 gr SP at 2600 - 3000 fps and you will see why many .308 sized bullets don't shoot worth a hoot in most MNs. Most 180 - 220 gr jacketed .308 bullets do shoot reasonably well. However I'd bet Junior's MN would shoot a whole lot better with .311 180 gr at 50 yards that "keeping every round in a 4 3/4" bull".....which is pretty poor to many of us. Jacketed .311-.312 bullets cost more than the equal weight jacketed bullets in .308W so why handicap the rifle and yourself?

Larry Gibson

Old Ironsights
02-25-2014, 03:53 PM
I guess that my goal is to have a good load in the 147-150 gr range that shoots to POI as the stacks of milsurp Steel Core I have. I suppose that 200s could be fun in their own way for heavy hunting, but I shoot mostly Combloc.

Multigunner
02-25-2014, 03:54 PM
Bore size is varied with the average MN rifles but there are Finn Barreled rifles with .309 bores that .308 bullets would work fine with.

dragon813gt
02-25-2014, 04:57 PM
The so called hassle of cleaning after shooting corrosive milsurp ammo is way overblown. I just mop the bore well with plain water, run through dome dry patches, followed with lubed ones, done. Never had a problem with corrosion in my five (3 are Finn M39s) Mosin Nagant rifles.

Your location says Arizona where there is next to no humidity. The corrosive ammo is a major issue where I live. The range is ten minutes from my house. On a humid August day by the time I clean up at the range and drive home the damage is already done. Do people go overboard w/ ways to clean the salts out, absolutely. But the corrosive primers are a big problem in certain climates.

Stonecrusher
02-25-2014, 06:26 PM
Your location says Arizona where there is next to no humidity. The corrosive ammo is a major issue where I live. The range is ten minutes from my house. On a humid August day by the time I clean up at the range and drive home the damage is already done. Do people go overboard w/ ways to clean the salts out, absolutely. But the corrosive primers are a big problem in certain climates.

Wow! I thought the humidity was bad in the swamps of Georgia. Must be the acid rain from all the burning coal up there. I've yet to have a rust problem even when six or eight hours go by.:kidding:

Junior1942
02-26-2014, 09:23 AM
I guess Larry & Bullshop Junior didn't read the part of my post which said "Rain Rifle." The rifle, with its swivel stud rear peep sight replaced with a store-bought peep rear or with a scope, is capable of MUCH better groups than ALL rounds in a 4 3/4" bull @ 50 yards. But guess what? It was designed and built as a "Rain Rifle" and I don't NEED better groups from it. What I needed was a rifle with which I could hunt in a downpour--and which I could take home or back to camp and quickly and totally dismantle and dry out. I picked the 220 gr Hornady RN because of its weight and availability and not its diameter. I also picked it because a rear-on hit with it at 50 yds would give a nose-on exit.

If I wanted to deer hunt with a 1MOA or better rifle, or pistol, I could pick from over a dozen. But if it's pouring down rain or it is predicted, I have only one rifle I would take to my deer thickets: the Rain Rifle.

Here's article #1 about the Rain Rifle: http://www.castbullet.com/makeit/rr.htm

Here's the rear swivel stud peep:

http://www.castbullet.com/makeit/photos/rr02t.jpg

StratsMan
02-26-2014, 11:03 AM
Here's article #1 about the Rain Rifle: http://www.castbullet.com/makeit/rr.htm



I love the ingenuity I see in that article... shows that a guy who doesn't have a machine shop can still customize his gun to the level that it meets his objective. I also like the implied priority: the gun is a tool for you first, not just something to pass to the kids. Don't be afraid to make one that does what YOU need it to do...

zidave
02-26-2014, 11:50 AM
Made it out to the range this morning with my first batch of reloads.

She really did not like the boolits I was putting down range. Couldn't hit paper @ 40yds.
I had 5 j-words that I loaded up as well and they shot beautifully, 1.5" group even after shooting some of the boolits.
I noticed a tiny bit of leading right at the crown but couldn't really see it down the bore.

Had a box of factory loaded ammo to make sure it wasn't me shooting like poo.

Suggestions? The flat tip boolit was getting a little rub mark from the ramp into the chamber.

Hang Fire
02-26-2014, 01:49 PM
Bore size is varied with the average MN rifles but there are Finn Barreled rifles with .309 bores that .308 bullets would work fine with.

The Finn 28/30 is the only one with a bore diameter of .3082" and the Finns loaded a .309" bullet for it. The M39 was bored .310", other Finn rifles bore diameters, dependent on model can range pretty broad.

30calflash
02-26-2014, 01:55 PM
The Finn 28/30 is the only one with a bore diameter of .3082" and the Finns loaded a .309" bullet for it. The M39 was bored .310", other Finn rifles bore diameters, dependent on model can range pretty broad.

IIRC the American made and other pre Soviet rifles had 308 barrels also. I've not checked my Remington but will do so this weekend with any luck.

It seems that .310 became standard with the advent of the 91/30. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

DeanWinchester
02-26-2014, 02:07 PM
I load it for my 'runnin buddy'. I use a 303 British collet neck sizer and a Lyman 311413 hollow point mold. The mold falls oversize and with a modest dose of Unique, shoots very well.

texassako
02-26-2014, 07:45 PM
I just finished filling up some test loads with NOE's 311331 and a range of powders. I already know about 11gr of Unique is a winner in my rifles with most bullets I have tried, and that is pretty darn cheap. I can't use FMJ where I shoot, it doesn't shoot all that well in my favorite rifle, and I was tired of wondering if I cleaned all the corrosive residue out.

Larry Gibson
02-26-2014, 09:44 PM
Bullshop Junior

Guess we're not psychic:wink:

Larry Gibson

mikeym1a
02-26-2014, 09:46 PM
My sons M44 version doesn't shoot all that great with surplus ball. The condition of the bore, rough, makes me question the feasability of cast. Don't want t be mining lead out of the bore.

Shiloh
After doing a decent cleaning of the bore, you might try paper patching. I have done that with an old GEW88 whose rifling could not be seen all the way through. Looking down the muzzle, you could not see the rifling, just something very rough. After making up the paper jacketed loads, I took this old gun to the range, and put approx 60 round through it. I could then see the rifling, all the way through. Unfortunately, the rifling at the last 4 in at the muzzle was like a worn game trail. You could see it, but it didn't look any deeper than the land. Paper patching will smooth and shine that bore, might even make it shootable. mikey

Hang Fire
02-26-2014, 10:30 PM
IIRC the American made and other pre Soviet rifles had 308 barrels also. I've not checked my Remington but will do so this weekend with any luck.

It seems that .310 became standard with the advent of the 91/30. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSpec.htm

Multigunner
02-27-2014, 06:03 AM
The Finn 28/30 is the only one with a bore diameter of .3082" and the Finns loaded a .309" bullet for it. The M39 was bored .310", other Finn rifles bore diameters, dependent on model can range pretty broad.

According to your link
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSpec.htm

There are quite a few Finn MN models with the .3095 bore size.
Lapua made a 190 gr matchgrade .309 boatail bullet that they recommended for use in .308 Winchester and .30-06 rifles as well as the 7.62X54R.

A slightly oversize boat tail bullet seals the bore better and allows less blowby , boat tail bullets don't usually bump up as well as flat base bullets.
An X-ray or Flouroscope image I've seen of a boat tail bullet while not far up the leade looked to me like it had bumped up in the center of the body through
acceleration working against inertia rather than chamber pressure on the base as you'd expect with a flat base bullet.

Old Ironsights
02-27-2014, 09:06 AM
I love the ingenuity I see in that article... shows that a guy who doesn't have a machine shop can still customize his gun to the level that it meets his objective. I also like the implied priority: the gun is a tool for you first, not just something to pass to the kids. Don't be afraid to make one that does what YOU need it to do...

Nobody needs a machine shop to work on a Mosin... They were built with Hand Tools lubricated with Vodka.

When I first landed back in WY I bought a MN 91/30 so I would have something that could, theoretically, reach out farther than the .357 Rossi I had with me until my main "arsenal" followed me.

After I got all my guns here, I decided to (slowly) turn my 91/30 into a '59 Carbine... in pretty much the same way the Russians did... with hand tools & vodka.

Remember, original 91/30 is about two football fields long (well, OK, 49" without bayonet)...

So, I posted some of the initial conversion about 2 years ago...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6528.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6528.jpg.html)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6531.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6531.jpg.html)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6540.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6540.jpg.html)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6546.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6546.jpg.html)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6693.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6693.jpg.html)

But I did not like LOP of the newly forshortened rifle when I installed recoil pad, so it sat for a good bit.

So, with help of hand saw, rusty old round bastard file and more vodka, I shortened stock 2" to compensate for recoil pad.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_7019.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_7019.jpg.html)

Gun now much shorter: Cleaning Rod normally only extends about 3" past hand guard. OAL now 43" WITH 2" pad installed.

But... not liking scope, (Ironsights, remember?) so...

http://www.mountsplus.com/AR-15_Accessories/AR-15_Scope_Rings/151-TGR-MN-FSAR.html

http://www.mountsplus.com/images10/products/TGR/Mosin_Nagant_9130_Front_Sight_Adapter-As.jpghttp://www.mountsplus.com/images10/products/TGR/Mosin_Nagant_9130_Front_Sight_Adapter-Cs.jpg

And Glorious Rifle of Revolution is reborn!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/IMG_7027.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/IMG_7027.jpg.html)

Sadly, bayonet, which is now nearly as long as the barrel, will not fit. This will someday be remedied... :twisted:

FWIW, there's 105 rounds right there along with the Russian Surplus cleaning kit & Oil/Solvent bottle...

Next to add, a Flash-hider/Muzzle Brake from http://mosinplus.com/

Junior1942
02-27-2014, 10:03 AM
Good job, OI!!!!

nicholst55
02-27-2014, 11:02 AM
Nobody needs a machine shop to work on a Mosin... They were built with Hand Tools lubricated with Vodka.

When I first landed back in WY I bought a MN 91/30 so I would have something that could, theoretically, reach out farther than the .357 Rossi I had with me until my main "arsenal" followed me.

After I got all my guns here, I decided to (slowly) turn my 91/30 into a '59 Carbine... in pretty much the same way the Russians did... with hand tools & vodka.

Remember, original 91/30 is about two football fields long (well, OK, 49" without bayonet)...

So, I posted some of the initial conversion about 2 years ago...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6528.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6528.jpg.html)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6531.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6531.jpg.html)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6540.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6540.jpg.html)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6546.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6546.jpg.html)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_6693.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_6693.jpg.html)

But I did not like LOP of the newly forshortened rifle when I installed recoil pad, so it sat for a good bit.

So, with help of hand saw, rusty old round bastard file and more vodka, I shortened stock 2" to compensate for recoil pad.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Mosin/IMG_7019.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/Mosin/IMG_7019.jpg.html)

Gun now much shorter: Cleaning Rod normally only extends about 3" past hand guard. OAL now 43" WITH 2" pad installed.

But... not liking scope, (Ironsights, remember?) so...

http://www.mountsplus.com/AR-15_Accessories/AR-15_Scope_Rings/151-TGR-MN-FSAR.html

http://www.mountsplus.com/images10/products/TGR/Mosin_Nagant_9130_Front_Sight_Adapter-As.jpghttp://www.mountsplus.com/images10/products/TGR/Mosin_Nagant_9130_Front_Sight_Adapter-Cs.jpg

And Glorious Rifle of Revolution is reborn!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/IMG_7027.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/MrMisanthrope/media/IMG_7027.jpg.html)

Sadly, bayonet, which is now nearly as long as the barrel, will not fit. This will someday be remedied... :twisted:

FWIW, there's 105 rounds right there along with the Russian Surplus cleaning kit & Oil/Solvent bottle...

Next to add, a Flash-hider/Muzzle Brake from http://mosinplus.com/

I love the simplicity of your conversion! I'm wanting to make a Mosin into a more easily handled/maneuvered rifle, but I'm poor. I think even I could accomplish something like that! Add a scope-capable bolt handle and maybe raise the comb a bit, and it should be a decent poor-boy brush rifle!

Old Ironsights
02-27-2014, 01:09 PM
I love the simplicity of your conversion! I'm wanting to make a Mosin into a more easily handled/maneuvered rifle, but I'm poor. I think even I could accomplish something like that! Add a scope-capable bolt handle and maybe raise the comb a bit, and it should be a decent poor-boy brush rifle!
The nice thing is, it only needed crappy fleamarket/Harbor Freight tools.

I used:
An ancient bench vice,
Hacksaw
Leatherman (saw & file mostly)
Hand Files
Sandpaper (for stock)
Wet/Dry paper (for crown)
Brass slotted screw & valve grinding/polishing compound (for crown)
Hand-cranked drill (for crown)

And Vodka. Much Vodka.

The 91/30 is also particularly well suited to barrel-shortening. Unlike most barrels, the 91/30 has distinctive circumfrential lathe marks from when the barrel was initially turned. To get a nice, square crown, all you have to do is cut your barrel about 1/16" in front of where you want the crown to be, then shape it back with a file/wet/dry paper until you are flush with one of the lathe rings all the way around. No fancy bandsaw needed.

Hang Fire
02-27-2014, 02:09 PM
According to your link
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSpec.htm

There are quite a few Finn MN models with the .3095 bore size.
Lapua made a 190 gr matchgrade .309 boatail bullet that they recommended for use in .308 Winchester and .30-06 rifles as well as the 7.62X54R.



Never stated otherwise, just the M28/30 was the only one with .3082" diameter.

RonT
02-27-2014, 02:11 PM
Here's another 'short' 91/30 .....
R
http://i61.tinypic.com/f2vpep.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/xdz90z.jpg

Old Ironsights
02-27-2014, 02:58 PM
I like your bent bolt. I've got an AIM kit, but because I don't have a drill press I'm really reluctant to cut up my bolt.

OTOH... my Muzzle Brake came today... (happy dance) now to see if it will press-fit on without reaming...

Junior1942
02-28-2014, 12:37 PM
Bullshop Junior

Guess we're not psychic:wink:

Larry GibsonI apologize to you both. I didn't mean to sound so harsh :-(

roverboy
03-01-2014, 10:42 PM
I like the sights on yours, RonT.

Larry Gibson
03-01-2014, 11:33 PM
I apologize to you both. I didn't mean to sound so harsh :-(

No apology needed Junior. Sometimes we just don't articulate what we think we have. Have to say I thought your explanation of the rifle and its use splendid indeed:grin:

Larry Gibson

Multigunner
03-02-2014, 01:06 AM
I use the primed steel cases of ammo I had pulled the steel core bullets from to make the soft point hunting loads for my friend, then used the steel core bullets to make handloads for my .303.

If you want to go that route you can buy up the cheap steel core milsurp ammo and make your money back selling the salvaged bullets, then you'd only have the price of the soft point bullet invested in your hand loads.
If you use Cast Boolits the cost of the milsurp ammo would be wiped out almost entirely.

farmallcrew
03-04-2014, 12:51 PM
i got dies, and as you can see, im looking for goodies. but i have about 2k in milsurp cans to go through

Old Ironsights
03-09-2014, 06:13 PM
I use the primed steel cases of ammo I had pulled the steel core bullets from to make the soft point hunting loads for my friend, then used the steel core bullets to make handloads for my .303.

If you want to go that route you can buy up the cheap steel core milsurp ammo and make your money back selling the salvaged bullets, then you'd only have the price of the soft point bullet invested in your hand loads.
If you use Cast Boolits the cost of the milsurp ammo would be wiped out almost entirely.

Sounds like a good idea...

Then there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkKJfvMyuDg making that Steel Case reloadable for a fraction of the cost of buying New Boxer Brass...

It's a process even Junior can love. :mrgreen:

Junior1942
03-10-2014, 08:59 AM
Sounds like a good idea...

Then there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkKJfvMyuDg making that Steel Case reloadable for a fraction of the cost of buying New Boxer Brass...

It's a process even Junior can love. :mrgreen:Junior sure loved the video! That guy knows his video production! It was professional quality.

Nicholas
03-12-2014, 09:34 PM
I have cheap j-words from both rem and win that are 123 gr and for the sks. they differ by .001 diameter. For plinking loads, I use the smaller in my Finn and the larger in my Enfield. Loads are near minimums out of a loading manual. The reason the j-words were cheap is that I bought them years ago in large lots. The rems cost 3 cents each.

Hang Fire
03-13-2014, 01:56 PM
Sometime back I bought 880 rounds of Russian FMJ lead cored 7.62x54 which was loaded in 1946, it was very cheap and came on 5rd stripper clips. When I tested, was not a single misfire, no split necks like some have complained of for this lot and were quite accurate. I recovered a couple of bullets fired through two 2x4s and then into sand, they were expanded out as if they were soft point sporting ammo.

I pulled a couple more and was surprised when they miked out at .308" (not with calipers, but a calibrated Starret micrometer) and the base was cupped almost like a Minnie ball.

After filing off point of bullet down into lead, and slightly hollow pointing them I retested same as before and the increased expansion was dramatic but so was fragmentation and weight loss. I think after alternation these bullets would be fine for sporting purposes, as to F&G approving them, that would be another story. For now I will set these back for just a, 'ya never know" scenario

Old Ironsights
03-26-2014, 12:04 AM
A big FWIW...

I just bought 120 rounds of 150gr SP with RELOADABLE/Boxer cases for $90 ($15/20) http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/20-rounds-792-kurz-fmj-124-grain.aspx?a=954662

Considering that NIB/OEM reloadable BRASS costs more per case than this does per loaded round...

I think I need to buy another 10 boxes...

prsman23
03-26-2014, 08:28 AM
I bought a hundred new pieces for $52 a few weeks ago. Ppu

Grapeshot
03-30-2014, 11:52 AM
Ballistol works well when cleaning corrosive primed ammo. If you can find some U.S. Military Surplus Rifle Bore Cleaner get it. That stuff was used to clean M1 and 1903 Springfield's shot with corrosive ammo.

CHeatermk3
03-30-2014, 09:12 PM
All you really need to clean the salts from corrosive-primed ammo out of your bore is hot water.

The PPU cases are pretty good stuff IMHO.

Old Ironsights
03-30-2014, 10:09 PM
I bought a hundred new pieces for $52 a few weeks ago. Ppu

That's what the OEM ammo I bought was.

I'm happy to pay an additional $0.23 each ($.75 for loaded SJSPBT) for fully loaded...

prsman23
03-30-2014, 11:40 PM
For sure. I bought a few boxes of loaded as well. Those soft points and soda bottles are good fun.

smokeywolf
03-31-2014, 01:21 AM
Anybody loaded 7.62X54R for a Model '95 Russian Contract Winchester?

What boolit or mould has worked best for you?

smokeywolf

texassako
03-31-2014, 09:52 AM
Anybody loaded 7.62X54R for a Model '95 Russian Contract Winchester?

What boolit or mould has worked best for you?

smokeywolf

I am trying but it sure is being picky. Bubba cut it down long ago and it doesn't have that great of a bore, .300"/.310" by the way. Only bullet it has shot OK so far is the Lee C309-170-F, and it hated the Lee CTL312-160-2R. I was surprised it also did not do very well with the Lyman 311334 or NOE 311331 that work well in my other Mosins. It is probably just the tired, old 100 year old barrel keeping it from shooting well, but it does seem to prefer 170-180gr.

rondog
03-31-2014, 10:09 AM
Do a search here and you will find all kinds of threads about loading for the Mosin...

97750

Those rounds look awesome! What bullet/mold is that?

Baja_Traveler
03-31-2014, 10:44 AM
They are from the the NOE 311365 group buy mold, and they shoot flat out awesome in my Finn Mosin.