311299 vs 311365 questions

[Mortonspoint]

Well, I procrastinated and missed getting a NOE 311365 GC mold, their sold out. They still have PB molds. But everything I read I see folks only using GC bullets for rifles like the Garand and 1903A3. Will these Plain Base bullets work in an M1 Garand and 1903A3 or should I go with something else like the 311299? Folks who have both molds and have shot both in their Garands, which is more accurate? especially at 200 yds? To me, the 311365 "look" like they would be much better in the wind at 200.

Anyone have a 311365 they wish to part with? OR! Anyone willing to cast me some 311365's up so I can see for myself if they work or not in my rifles? Maybe a hundred or so? I have a few other members sending me some 311299's and it would be a great thing to shoot them side by side and actually see the difference before I commit to a mold purchase.

Thank You.

[guicksylver]

97246Got both....I can tell you right now the 311365 is a good boolit. However it's accuracy is limited to under 1800 fps.
If you have a 299 you will never have to look back or (God forbid) buy another mold.
The 299s work in just about anything and with just about any powder.
The 365s shoot but require a little more work to get them to perform.
This was shot from my 03A3 2 groove, 10x Lyman, 100 yds.
I believe the load was 17 grs 2400.

[Blammer]

Got both....I can tell you right now the 311365 is a good boolit. However it's accuracy is limited to under 1800 fps.

not true.

I crank my 311365 out at 'blistering' speeds. Accuracy is good. :)

I suspect plain base will work in an M1, I defer that to others with experience.

send NOE an email or PM here, I bet he could crank out a 311365 for you. :) He's at the point at his shop now he can do that, or at least getting close to it. His goal is to be able to take orders on what is requested and get them out in a very timely manner.

[supersniper]

one option would be to powder coat the plain base bullets so you could crank up the speeds

[Wayne S]

97246Got both....I can tell you right now the 311365 is a good boolit. However it's accuracy is limited to under 1800 fps.
If you have a 299 you will never have to look back or (God forbid) buy another mold.
The 299s work in just about anything and with just about any powder.
The 365s shoot but require a little more work to get them to perform.
This was shot from my 03A3 2 groove, 10x Lyman, 100 yds.
I believe the load was 17 grs 2400.
THIS is how you show that bullet XZY shoots, listing rifle, / caliber, scope X, powder AND distance.
As to powder coating, I have yet to see groups shot with PC rifle bullets that even equal those shot with conventionally lubed bullets.

[Mortonspoint]

97246Got both....I can tell you right now the 311365 is a good boolit. However it's accuracy is limited to under 1800 fps.
If you have a 299 you will never have to look back or (God forbid) buy another mold.
The 299s work in just about anything and with just about any powder.
The 365s shoot but require a little more work to get them to perform.
This was shot from my 03A3 2 groove, 10x Lyman, 100 yds.
I believe the load was 17 grs 2400.Now that's a nice group! Exactly what I'm looking for. Did you put filler in your cases?

[detox]

If your .308 caliber gun has some throat errosion caused by lots of shooting, the 314299 (fatter version of 311299) may be better. The bore ride section of this bullet should measure .303" if using lower shrink linotype.

I have a Remington 700 VS chambered in 308 that has been shot about 500 rounds and it is allready showing signs of errosion....the .303 bore riding bullet or 314299 will chamber easily. Allthough I have not shot it yet, example targets i have seen using this bullet in .308 caliber rifles are under 1 minute of angle @ 100 yards

[Mark Daiute]

At the moment NOE has a 2-cav mold, 1pb, the other gc'd...

[30CAL-TEXAN]

I think you need both!

[madsenshooter]

Some of the other fellows have reported the 311365 shoots 5 min flatter than the 311299. I can't report on accuracy beyond about 65yds as I haven't had a chance to get out to the range for quite sometime. I've had it up around 2000fps, with a good group that's pictured in the 30-40 cast bullet thread, but I use a 23bhn lead based babbitt. Ben is real good with PB bullets, but has enough sense to limit the velocity and pressure, which isn't going to get you function in the Garand.

[Ben]

madsenshooter :

but has enough sense to limit the velocity

Thanks ! - - You've offered me the benefit of the doubt.
Sometimes I wonder just how much sense I have ? ?

Ben

[Cmm_3940]

I've been working on getting set up to reload .30 06. I was planning to start out with a 311291 but after seeing these results, I have added a 311299 to the list of 'must haves'.

[frnkeore]

Some of the other fellows have reported the 311365 shoots 5 min flatter than the 311299. I can't report on accuracy beyond about 65yds as I haven't had a chance to get out to the range for quite sometime. I've had it up around 2000fps, with a good group that's pictured in the 30-40 cast bullet thread, but I use a 23bhn lead based babbitt. Ben is real good with PB bullets, but has enough sense to limit the velocity and pressure, which isn't going to get you function in the Garand.

Along with that 5 min flatter trajectory, come a big wind drift reduction.

Frank

[madsenshooter]

I hope to use the 311365 or its fat brother 316365 at Camp Perry this year. Best I could get shooting the Nosler 168BTHP match bullets out of my Krag last year was about 1.5" at 100yds. If I can get a load with the NOE bullets that'll beat that I'll be shooting one them. I have to seat the 311365 out over magazine length to get into the rifling, so no good for rapid fire, but the 316365 sized down, with it's fat nose it's a different story. It stuffs the throat at an OAL of 3.00". There will be a lot of bearing surface on that bullet, even though I'll use a .310 groove diameter barrel.

[detox]

but the 316365 sized down, with it's fat nose it's a different story. It stuffs the throat at an OAL of 3.00". There will be a lot of bearing surface on that bullet, even though I'll use a .310 groove diameter barrel.

Veral Smith of LBT says tight fit is good for accuracy.

[Mortonspoint]

Well I've been lucky in that I only live about an hour and 40 minutes from Camp Perry so the CMP's North Store is a nice drive just about anytime the word is out that something good is in stock. This means I can cherry pick the racks and so I only have nice tight service grade rifles with TE's of less than 1 and MW of also less than 1. Essentially new barrels.

I'm thinking I'm not going to need to go any wider than 311.

[detox]

Today i casted a few from 314299 using lower shrink linotype alloy. Bore riding area measures .3025" same as my RCBS 180. I think the 311299 may be too small for most worn 308 caliber barrels.

[madsenshooter]

Veral Smith of LBT says tight fit is good for accuracy.

My experiments in a tight bored and accurate K31 seem to bear that out. The more bearing surface the boolit has, the tighter the groups. I even like what is supposed to be the boreriding section of a boolit to get some bite on the rifling. NOE has done us a great service with the larger sizes they offer. I may have been better off with the 314365 for my Krags, but I got the mold with feeding a large bored Mosin in mind.