Find the gap

[338RemUltraMag]

I overpaid my taxes and will be recieving a decent refund, I would love to pick up a new rifle or pistol but am coming up short. It has to be a cast boolit shooter. Here is my list of calibers, can you find a gap?

Rifle:

22 LR
222
223
25-06
30-30
7.62x54R
30-06
8x57
416 Rigby
45-70

pistols

9x19
40 Smith

Like I said are there any gaps I am looking over? And it HAS to shoot cast.

[2ndAmendmentNut]

The first gap I see is the lack of a 357mag revolver. The next is the lack of a 45ACP automatic. For the revolver I might suggest an older S&W 27, 28, 19 or 66 in no particular order. For the automatic I might suggest a Colt 1911 or Sig 220.

[s mac]

308 Win, 444 Marlin

[dondiego]

Rifle - .35 Rem, .358 Win, .35 Whelen

Pistols -.45 ACP, .44 Mag, .44 Spl, .45 colt, .357 mag.

[2ndAmendmentNut]

For rifles you also have a gap that could be filled by a 35 cal such as the 357mag, 357max, 35Rem, 358Win or 35Whelen.

[338RemUltraMag]

Let me clarify, I am looking for a "power gap" as in what can one cartridge do with cast that another can't.

A 357 Mag pistol is very appealing, I like the idea of a revolver as well. Brass is easy to find, what is a nice target/hunting revolver?

[338RemUltraMag]

Of course a 358 Winchester sounds great too...

yall have sang the praise of the 358 for a long time

[Charlie Two Tracks]

Ruger GP-100 6" barrel. Shoots cast very nicely.

[MBTcustom]

YOU
DO
NOT
HAVE
A
358 WINCHESTER

Do you really have to ask this question????
You're missing the best cartridge ever made, but go ahead and fill in some of the pinholes surrounding that gaping 12" hole in your pool liner.

I might also point out the conspicuous absence of 44magnum and any mention of Freedom Arms. Just sayin......

[MtGun44]

Stongly recommend a 586 S&W .357. I have a 7 shooter which is a real
tack driver.

Bill

[338RemUltraMag]

YOU
DO
NOT
HAVE
A
358 WINCHESTER

Do you really have to ask this question????
You're missing the best cartridge ever made, but go ahead and fill in some of the pinholes surrounding that gaping 12" hole in your pool liner.

I might also point out the conspicuous absence of 44magnum and any mention of Freedom Arms. Just sayin......

Tim,

Help me out here, what will a 358 do that a 8x57 or 45-70 will not? I am not being confrontational but would like to see what you are seeing.

[deerspy]

S&W model 14 with 6 inch barrel 148gr HBWC push with 2.8gr bullseye and fill the back of your truck with head shot bunnies

[fcvan]

22 hornet, .243 :)

[338RemUltraMag]

22 hornet, .243 :)

The 22 can drop down to the 22 hornet power and my 25-06 will do everything a 243 will. I am really looking into a cast shooter.

[cbrick]

Could depend on how much of your money your uncle is going to let you have.

You don't have a gaping hole in your pool liner, your missing the swimming pool. If want a hunting revolver that will be the new love of your life . . . 7 1/2+ inch Freedom arms 44 mag. If your uncle is really generous get the octagon barrel. This revolver is the reason cast boolits were invented. :mrgreen: With good loads from the bench it can outshoot many factory hunting rifles.

Rick

[338RemUltraMag]

Ok so freedom arms is about double my range! That is out of the question.

[MBTcustom]

Tim,

Help me out here, what will a 358 do that a 8x57 or 45-70 will not? I am not being confrontational but would like to see what you are seeing.

Well, it beats the Mauser with brass availability. (other than that, you have a very good point, and 8mm Mauser would be my go to if not for that detail) Also, I don't care for the throat in the standard 8mmMauser barrel chambers. Way too long.

It also beats the 45-70 with trajectory vs. recoil, while staying safely inside cast boolit speed range.

That said, Seite Leguas is not the rifle I carry to and from the truck everyday. The 45-70 guide gun is. Can't argue with you there, but the fact of the matter is it's big, fat, and slow. I love it to pieces, but it aint no 358 WCF.

Freedom Arms: 900 bucks worth of pure unadulterated quality! I reeeeeaaaaallly want to buy one.

[dubber123]

A .35 cal rifle, .358 is my suggestion also. For handguns, you have a ton of gaps to fill. If the autos you are shooting are typical accuracy wise, a good revolver will be a joy to use. A 38/357 is cheap to feed and a great all around shooter, a good .44 revolver will be just as accurate and can easily double as a big game hunting gun. And Tim, if you can get F/A's for $900 regularly, please let me know where.. :wink:

[tygar]

I overpaid my taxes and will be recieving a decent refund, I would love to pick up a new rifle or pistol but am coming up short. It has to be a cast boolit shooter. Here is my list of calibers, can you find a gap?

Rifle:

22 LR
222
223
25-06
30-30
7.62x54R
30-06
8x57
416 Rigby
45-70

pistols

9x19
40 Smith

Like I said are there any gaps I am looking over? And it HAS to shoot cast.

Rifle
243, 6.5, 7mm, 308, 338, 375, 450
Pistol
everything

[Silvercreek Farmer]

If you buy a 357 you will need a 44 in short order, and vice versa, so go ahead and plan on that! A 454 Casull wouldn't be a bad bet either, 45 cowboy loads all the way up to T-Rex killers, but it is getting up there in money...

[DLCTEX]

44 may pistol, suggest Ruger SBH, or larger caliber.

[KYShooter73]

.300 Blackout. I love shooting cast out of an evil black rifle. It is in the 30-30 power range though.

[MBTcustom]

44 may pistol, suggest Ruger SBH, or larger caliber.

Seriously. I was fondling a Bisley Hunter SBH the other day. I have no idea what the quality is. All I know is that it was absolutely gorgeous.

[quack1]

22 LR
222
223
25-06
30-30
7.62x54R
30-06
8x57
416 Rigby
45-70

pistols

9x19
40 Smith
My suggestion, like others, would be a good .357 revolver and a .358 Win.
Have to ask- how does somebody that has .338 in their name not have a .338 anything in their list of calibers they have?

[338RemUltraMag]

Tim,

I form my 8x57 from 270 brass, so that kills the 358 I guess, but I do have to say cheap 308 brass would be nice.

I am looking at a ruger blackhawk 357 6.5 inch, BTW where are them FA's for 900?

[338RemUltraMag]

My suggestion, like others, would be a good .357 revolver and a .358 Win.
Have to ask- how does somebody that has .338 in their name not have a .338 anything in their list of calibers they have?

Answer, I owned a 338RUM but sold it when I got into shooting cast.

[quilbilly]

Yep, right there, plain as day. My 6mm Rem loves cast and my wife's 243 does too. BTW - My 338 WM loves that cast Lee 220 gr boolit.

[williamwaco]

You desperately need a .358 Winchester or a .38-55

either will make you a very nice cast bullet launcher.

[2ndAmendmentNut]

Let me clarify, I am looking for a "power gap" as in what can one cartridge do with cast that another can't.

A 357 Mag pistol is very appealing, I like the idea of a revolver as well. Brass is easy to find, what is a nice target/hunting revolver?

Seeing as concealed carry was not on that list I will recommend my personal favorite. The S&W 27 is the best 357mag target revolver ever. Period. I love my old 27-2 with the pinned barrel and recessed chambers. Another great 357 that will fill the roll of target and hunting quite well is S&W blued 19 or stainless 66 with a 6" barrel. The S&W 686 is also a popular choice for many but I find the underlugged barrel a little awkward.

[MBTcustom]

I tol jou mang. I tol jou!
Just visualize me dressed like Samuel Addams, holding my rifle: "358 winchester. Always a good decision!" (Wink)

[Harter66]

Must shoot cast booolits
Fill a void
Be very useable
Hummmmmm
RBH 45 Colts. Boolits from 141 BB to 325 gr Kieth(ish) round,pointy,flat. Low pressure ,long brass life, and in to ''regular''Large Frame BlackHawk you can tip toe into 44 mag territory. Converables can have extra cyl cut for GAPs Rowlands Win Mags for about $100 a peice.

I guess a 357 might be ok too , I'd still go w/the RBH for the same reasons as above. 9x17,19,21,23 and Win Mag (rimless 357 sort of) There was also a 40 cal.

For my own reasons I would suggest a compainion carbine that shares mags and/or ammo w/a pistol ,new or in the stable.

[bhn22]

Good heavens man, a caster without a 44 magnum or 45 ACP? And no 35 caliber rifle in anything? You seriously need a 356 or 375 Winchester lever-action.

Where, oh where, did we fail you?

[338RemUltraMag]

Wow, you guys are qiuck on spending others money! I did not think about half the ideas you did!

One that I found while searching the web for revolvers (and I will get if found) is a ruger vaquero 38-40 with a 40 smith convsion cylinder. But I am really considering a 357 44 or 45, would prefer smith as I think the model 25 is about as sexy as a pistol gets. Wish they hand one in 38-40 or 44-40.

[jeepyj]

Without question my suggestion is a 357. I just love to feed my Ruger Blackhawk with 38 specials. They cast nice shoot as accurate as any of my bigger $$ revolvers. That being said I must say as I read others posts I may have to fill in a couple of blanks myself!!
Jeepyj

[Blackwater]

Yep, you NEED a revolver - either a .357 or .44 mag. They'll shoot anything from cast round balls at "cat sneeze" levels to riproarin' magnum loads, and they're not nearly as ammunition dependent for reliability. Bad load? Won't fire? Just pull the trigger again ... QUICK!

[jimb16]

How about a .270, a .45 colt, a 6.5 .284, etc.....

[oldfart1956]

I love spending other peoples money! ;) I vote for a Ruger, Blackhawk/Bisley/Vaquero/Super Blackhawk. Whatever makes you smile. As for caliber...I've got them in .357/44mag/45colt. I like em all but the .357 and 44 are gathering dust. I really like the 45 colt. Don't know why but it just makes me smile the most. You mentioned hunting and the 357 is...o.k. and I'm not trying to start an argument. The 45acp is a blast but not for hunting in Pa. and you said target/hunting. I had to buy a turret press and now buy .45acp brass in 2000 count lots just to keep up with it. If you're looking to scope or red dot one I'm not sure of the set-up required/available for the Bisleys and Vaqueros. Still a good many Rugers available used. Saw a stainless one at the gun show in Greencastle this past weekend for under $400 if I recall. I bought my .45 colt model for around $300. Audie...the Oldfart.

[Mal Paso]

Definitely a 44 Mag Revolver.

I don't see any 50 cal rifles. The 505 Gibbs Magnum is a good cast boolit gun. :wink:

[brotherdarrell]

My vote is for a 6.5 Swede, and you can make your own Cruse Missile mold to the correct dimensions.:twisted:

Darrell

[btroj]

Hate to be a spoiler......

How are you fixed for components? A bunch of powder and primers is never a bad choice either.

If set on a gun get either a 1911 in 45 ACP or a Ruger 44 mag, I like my SRH.

[StrawHat]

I agree, the S&W M25-2 is a great revolver. ANd S&W did make an N frame in 44-40, just not very many of them. Another revolver for you to consider is the S&W M25-2 or more modern equivalent.

For a rifle, you are sadly lacking a 405 WCF, either a single shot or a lever action. In the single shot, it will cover the Rigby and the 45-70, so those can be sold to finance more stuff. In the lever, well, if you have to ask...

[Jupiter7]

I'm voting big bore single action, ( read that as a 45 in either a 1911 or SA revolver). I guess a da revolver like a 625 or 1917 would count.

[dragonrider]

Run do not walk to your lgs and aquire a 357 mag revolver. Secondly you need a 7.62x39 rifle, semi auto or bolt your choice.

[jmort]

Revolver .357 or .44 or .45 Colt

[cbrick]

BTW where are them FA's for 900?

No kiddin, that's something I would like to know. My gunsmith is a friend of the owner of FA and I bought my last one from my smith at his cost and it was more than that.

Rick

[swheeler]

I think you are pretty well covered on the rifles, but a 9.3x62 sure would be nice:) Looks like a 357 revolver would help out on the handgun list.

[cainttype]

In the rifle list, 338 Federal to have your ID in an efficient, cast-capable chambering. And the 375 H&H has much to offer as an "Everything Rifle".

[338RemUltraMag]

I am looking at Smiths and rugers in 357 and 44 mag, but boy everyone is out of stock!

[2ndAmendmentNut]

I am looking at Smiths and rugers in 357 and 44 mag, but boy everyone is out of stock!

Stalk gunbroker. Check the sellers feedback and ask questions. Know what you want and be ready to bid.

[MBTcustom]

No kiddin, that's something I would like to know. My gunsmith is a friend of the owner of FA and I bought my last one from my smith at his cost and it was more than that.

Rick

Well, I guess there's dealer cost, and then there's "dealer cost".

[cbrick]

I dunno what the regular dealer cost is but I suspect Jim (my smith) got quite a deal on it, must have cause I sure did.

Rick

[338RemUltraMag]

I am looking at the 41 mag that is here on the S&S section, it is in stock and well a really nice smith.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

41 Mag is a great caliber performance wise, but mold selection will be thinner, doubt any buddies will drop off a sack of free once fired brass any time soon like they might with a 357/44, and factory ammo may be tough to come by locally if you ever decide you need some. If you are okay with that then run with it!

[jdrslyr75]

I would add a rifle in 35 caliber, take your pick as they all shoot cast, and also a 357 and 44 (or 45 colt) revolver and a 1911.

[dverna]

I have three .38/.357 lever action rifles. Cheap to shoot, tons of fun and easy to reload. That is what I would add - but I already have two Colt SSA in .357.

The 8mm negates the .358 in my opinion - if the 8mm is accurate.

I have a .44 pistol but do not shoot it. Too much recoil to be fun for me and I do not hunt. One of those "What the hell was I thinking when I bought it" moments.

.308 is too close to .30/06 - cannot see that either.

Don Verna

[338RemUltraMag]

Well, I just closed the deal on the 41 mag, I have never owned a revolver before, this looks like a good place to start.

[Trapperscott]

Well, I just closed the deal on the 41 mag, I have never owned a revolver before, this looks like a good place to start.

You wont be sorry. I love 41's. There are a lot of mold choices out there and brass isn't hard to find at all.

The 41 is more than enough to do anything I want to do. From light to heavy, it will do all I need to do.

[MBTcustom]

Good for you!
41 mag is a very understated cartridge with a very loyal following. You'll have fun getting antiquated. I saw that gun in S&S, and I must say I wish I had the scratch! Beautiful piece, no doubt!

[THBailey]

I'm surprised no one has commented on the huge gap in the black powder department. An 1860 Colt in the pistol group and an 1861 Springfield in the rifle group would round things out nicely.

[Bigslug]

You need a .308 to remain compatible with U.S. and N.A.T.O. forces when the zombies come.

You have all that but don't have a 1911 / .45ACP. . .You're failing as an American, and failing badly.

You're hanging out as a Vendor Sponsor on a bullet casting forum and you don't have a .357, .44, or ,45 Colt/Casull. . .the ghost of Elmer Keith would weep. . .if Elmer was a weeping kind of guy, which he wasn't. . .

:kidding:After you get all that squared away and we approve your citizenship papers:

The .358 Winchester, .35 Whelan, and 9.3x62 Mauser are all really good ways to maximize the potential of the .308 and .30-06 range of case sizes at cast bullet velocities - If you can't have speed, compensate with mass. On that topic, it could also be argued that your .416 needs a .375 H&H to keep it company.

[338RemUltraMag]

You guys... if I listened to all of you I would have spend 40,000 by now!

[MBTcustom]

You need a .308 to remain compatible with U.S. and N.A.T.O. forces when the zombies come.

You have all that but don't have a 1911 / .45ACP. . .You're failing as an American, and failing badly.

You're hanging out as a Vendor Sponsor on a bullet casting forum and you don't have a .357, .44, or ,45 Colt/Casull. . .the ghost of Elmer Keith would weep. . .if Elmer was a weeping kind of guy, which he wasn't. . .

:kidding:After you get all that squared away and we approve your citizenship papers:

The .358 Winchester, .35 Whelan, and 9.3x62 Mauser are all really good ways to maximize the potential of the .308 and .30-06 range of case sizes at cast bullet velocities - If you can't have speed, compensate with mass. On that topic, it could also be argued that your .416 needs a .375 H&H to keep it company.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why everybody needs a Plexiglas splash deflector screen protector installed over their monitor. Easily protects your computer screen from a projected deluge of carbonated beverages of all kinds........

[MBTcustom]

You guys... if I listened to all of you I would have spend 40,000 by now!

you just need to get a better tax man. LOL!

[wallenba]

Well, you might have to get something new to shoot it in, but a 7-30 Waters is a fine cast boolit shooter, and you already have the brass (30-30).

[pretzelxx]

Not sure how a 50 BMG fires a cast boolit, but I would say that is a "gap".

[jonp]

357 Mag/45LC. I see no revolver on that list. You better check in your safe again because I know you have at least one

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Good read-

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41magnum.htm