help identify

[tonus]

I have a 6.6 x50 japanese rifle taken from iwo jima. It has no markings on it at all except a four digit serial number. It has an elevator sight from 5 to 24, fixed blade on barrel. The bolt does not look like some of the type 38,s I have seen. It does have rifling in the barrel, cleaning rod, bayonet and has no vent hole that others have described. I have read other posts describing trainer rifles and am wondering if this is one of those.

[jimb16]

Pictures really help.

[tonus]

I tried,,,, phone wont upload pics

[Janoosh]

Please, describe the safety, describe the stock, somewhere on the action should be markings. Thanks.....

[daengmei]

Here are a lot of pics of Japanese rifles...maybe one of them? https://www.google.com/search?q=japanese+rifles+of+ww2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=QbbuUtPNIKmqyAGp5oHwAw&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1008&bih=630

[skeet1]

What type of magazine does it have? Is it a strait inline magazine that uses a clip compared to the staggered magazine of the type 38 and 99? If so it could be a Carcano.

[Janoosh]

+1 skeet1... I was thinking about a type I.

[MtGun44]

+1 on a Jap Carcano. Split rear bridge and external Mannlicher-type magazine with
a hole in the bottom, and spring loaded finger in the top?

Bill

[Dschuttig]

My type I has only serial number, no other markings. letter followed by 4 digit serial. Does not use carcano clips, has a mauser type magazine. If you ever want to know if your carcano action came off a jap type I, just look at the bolt. Normal carcanos have the ejector cut off center, the type I cut at exactly 6'oclock.

[mikeym1a]

ForgottenWeapons.com had a video on the Type 38 Training Rifle. The example Ian had was approximately 7/8 scale. The barrel was not rifled, the bolt had no locking lugs. There was only the serial # on the receiver. So, if yours has rifling, it probably isn't the training rifle. Skeet had a good idea. The Italians made a pretty big order of their Carcano's in 6.5 Japanese. If I remember correctly, the contract was for 200,000 units. Don't remember how many were delivered, or when the contract was actually let. But, remember that the Carcano was a split-bridge Mannlicher action. Wikipedia has an article on the Carcano with a small section on the Japanese contract rifle. mikey

[frnkeore]

If it is a "Trainer" don't shoot it or rebarrel it. They are made from very weak cast actions.

Frank