?Help with a .358 Win starting load-plain base bullet

[hc18flyer]

I am looking for a starting point for a 220 grain plain base bullet. I have AA 5744, IMR 3031, and IMR 4895. Because it's a plain base, I can't start at 250 grain jacketed. The rifle is a Savage bolt. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tom

[Artful]

25 gr. of 5744 with a 250 gr. Lyman gas check for 1734 fps would be my choice to start with what you got.

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
Jacketed Nosler Partitian 250 Grain are listed
IMR 3031 .358" 2.760" 42.0 2260fps 50,800 CUP
IMR 4895 .358" 2.760" 43.0 2235fps 51,200 CUP

http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/WP_LoadSpec_1-23-14.pdf

358 WINCHESTER Barrel: 24” ¦ Twist: 1-12” ¦ Primer: WIN WLR ¦ Bullet Diameter: 0.358”
Case: WIN ¦ Max Case Length: 2.015” ¦ Trim Length: 2.005”
ACCURATE 5744 CUP
204 (L) LYMAN #358315 25.0 1,820 30.0 2,091 42,600 2.595

ACCURATE 2015
200 HDY SP 37.8 2,218 42.0 2,520 49,400 2.640
204 (L) LYMAN #358315 36.9 2,174 41.0 2,470 41,600 2.595
225 SIERRA SBT GK 36.9 2,109 41.0 2,397 49,300 2.740
250 HDY RN 36.0 2,013 40.0 2,288 49,600 2.745

ACCURATE 2230
200 HDY SP 39.6 2,160 44.0 2,454 51,400 2.640
204 (L) LYMAN #358315 36.9 2,061 41.0 2,342 43,300 2.595
225 SIERRA SBT GK 38.7 2,062 43.0 2,343 50,800 2.740
250 HDY RN 38.7 1,998 43.0 2,271 52,000 2.745

ACCURATE 2460
200 HDY SP 41.4 2,206 46.0 2,507 51,400 2.640
204 (L) LYMAN #358315 38.7 2,132 43.0 2,423 42,700 2.595
225 SIERRA SBT GK 39.6 2,090 44.0 2,375 51,000 2.740
250 HDY RN 39.6 2,033 44.0 2,310 52,000 2.745

ACCURATE 2495
200 HDY SP 41.4 2,124 46.0 2,414 40,700 2.640
204 (L) LYMAN #358315 38.7 2,177 43.0 2,474 44,800 2.595
225 SIERRA SBT GK 41.4 2,116 46.0 2,405 47,800 2.740
250 HDY RN 41.4 2,027 46.0 2,303 43,400 2.745

ACCURATE 2520
200 HDY SP 44.6 2,260 49.5 2,568 48,900 2.640
204 (L) LYMAN #358315 40.5 2,167 45.0 2,462 41,200 2.595
225 SIERRA SBT GK 43.2 2,167 48.0 2,462 49,000 2.740
250 HDY RN 45.6 2,247 48.0 2,390 49,700 2.745

ACCURATE 2700
200 HDY SP 47.5 2,164 50.0 2,302 45,500 2.640
204 (L) LYMAN #358315 44.7 2,080 47.0 2,213 42,600 2.595
225 SIERRA SBT GK 47.5 2,111 50.0 2,246 47,600 2.740
250 HDY RN 47.5 2,081 50.0 2,214 49,800 2.745

[Outpost75]

With a plainbased bullet you will likely get heavy bore leading if you attempt to load very much above 1400 fps. So for a plainbased utility load, in the .35 Remington, .358 Win. or. 35 Whelen, with 200-250- grain bullet , using wheelweight alloy, I'd be inclined to try 8-9 grains of any fast burning pistol or shotgun powder you have lying around. Bullseye, Red Dot, 700-X, SR7625, W231, PB, Unique all work in this application. Use standard large rifle primers. No filler is necessary.

[sthwestvictoria]

Is that a savage 110 that you have converted with the ER Shaw barrel kit? Been considering this myself. Like this sort of thing from midway:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/343533/e-r-shaw-barrel-kit-savage-110-series-small-shank-358-winchester-factory-magnum-contour-1-in-14-twist-24-stainless-steel

This kit is available here in Australia although at $AUD400

[hc18flyer]

Yes, I don't have mine back from a local gunsmith. KLR bought the same kit and is shooting his. Tom