What happened to my bolt? (winchester m70 pre-64 help?)

[slips73]

So i noticed this when I first dissasembled the gun upon receiving it, but thought nothing of it, the second time i took the bolt down for some pictures i decided to put sharpie on the spot to see what it was rubbing on but got nothing, only reason it concerns me is because I THINK it may have something to do with the bolt safety.


here is where the sharpie was, but i rubbed it off in the next picture.

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz185/adamdoiron/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps47126cbf.jpg (http://s826.photobucket.com/user/adamdoiron/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps47126cbf.jpg.html)

In this on you can see the side of the bolt handle/body is gouged where the steel is in the white.

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This got me thinking it may have something to do with the safety notch on the bolt located here where you can see in the firing and intermediate position is recessed and flush with the bolt face, but that notch lines right up with the gouged section,

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Next i partlially dissasembled the gun and put it on safety and sure enough the bolt notch sticks up, but it isnt flush with the bolt shroud so I dont see how it could cause that gouge? Any suggestions? It almost looks to me like someone stripped clear the safety on the gun, like the gun was in safety and they just cycled past it..... This would not be good as it would mean the bolt lock is damaged on this gun if so but im hesitant to try anything.

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[Love Life]

It was probably caused by this: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?228476-Winchester-Model-70-bolt-re-assembly-if-you-set-off-the-quot-fire-quot-position-How-to

Next time drill a hole in a block of wood, stick firing pin in hole, push down, engage safety.

It's probably still safe to fire.

[slips73]

It was probably caused by this: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?228476-Winchester-Model-70-bolt-re-assembly-if-you-set-off-the-quot-fire-quot-position-How-to

Next time drill a hole in a block of wood, stick firing pin in hole, push down, engage safety.

It's probably still safe to fire.

I would have thought that too except it was there before I did that, and when i did that, the striker while it rubs along the top of the bolt handle, doesnt touch that gouge and the tip is smooth and rounded, and doesnt affect the finish or gouge the metal...., I PM'd someone else and he thinks it is also from the safety plunger and someone in the past re-assembled it with the safety rearward instead of intermediate

[Love Life]

I went and pulled my bolt, and I am wrong.

[fouronesix]

Nothing to worry about if the bolt and safety function correctly. With the bolt cocked and safety in #2 position and the sleeve lock pressed in... the bolt/pin assembly should unscrew from the body without much resistance.

I may not be seeing what your concerned about ?? but it looks like someone previously tried to unscrew or screw-back-in the bolt/pin assembly without first cocking and putting the safety lever into the #2 position (they may have tried to do that with the safety lever in the full rear or #3 position). In that case the safety plunger (pin that protrudes from the safety housing) rubbed hard against the bolt body face.

With the bolt cocked in the receiver and the safety lever full rear (#3 position) it should lock the bolt. If the bolt doesn't lift or "fire", then the plunger is operating correctly and is dropping into the pocket in the face of the bolt body. If the plunger is damaged you can completely disassemble the safety- shroud/housing and inspect, polish or replace the plunger if damaged. It will have a captive spring underneath.

I wouldn't doubt many M70s have that "streak" mark, as many were taken apart by previous owners not knowing how to do it right.

[slips73]

Nothing to worry about if the bolt and safety function correctly. With the bolt cocked and safety in #2 position and the sleeve lock pressed in... the bolt/pin assembly should unscrew from the body without much resistance.

I may not be seeing what your concerned about ?? but it looks like someone previously tried to unscrew or screw-back-in the bolt/pin assembly without first cocking and putting the safety lever into the #2 position (they may have tried to do that with the safety lever in the full rear or #3 position). In that case the safety plunger (pin that protrudes from the safety housing) rubbed hard against the bolt body face.

With the bolt cocked in the receiver and the safety lever full rear (#3 position) it should lock the bolt. If the bolt doesn't lift or "fire", then the plunger is operating correctly and is dropping into the pocket in the face of the bolt body. If the plunger is damaged you can completely disassemble the safety- shroud/housing and inspect, polish or replace the plunger if damaged. It will have a captive spring underneath.

I wouldn't doubt many M70s have that "streak" mark, as many were taken apart by previous owners not knowing how to do it right.

It functions fine, just concerned that there now might be something hidden wrong with the gun yah probably paranoid, but youd have to really be determined and stubborn to re-assemble it that way , I mean that plunger is pretty solid so someone would have put the bolt in a vise and turn it with lots of force to cause that sort of gouge and clear the metal. It just doesnt line up with the safety plunger because you would have to scrape the other half of the bolt while screwing it down before you reached the point where the gouge shows, it is small and just on the edge I am not sure how this would happen?

[fouronesix]

They may have taken it apart correctly then flipped the safety lever to #3 position (for whatever reason) then tried to screw it back together. I think that plunger is hardened, so with some strength and effort it could easily account for the binding mark. If the plunger is retracting when it should (safety lever positions 1&2 and is dropping down into the hole in the body face when it should (safety lever position 3) ... then no concerns I can think of.