how do you like your 35 remington

[badbob454]

35 rem is an old caliber , but seems a good versatile round ,I... am buying a pump action 141 but wanted to hear how you like your rifle and your pet load if you will . I figured this is best asked in the lever action section...

[Menner]

I just bought a marlin 336 in 35 Rem in a word I love it I started with a Red Dot load of 9gr, 9.5gr and 10gr this is the 10gr load at 50 yrds using RCBS 35-200 boolit 94933

I also did a 6064 and 3031 both were the starter load for the 200gr (RCBS 35-200) boolit out of the Lyman book can't remember which is which have it written down at home ( the holes with the marks next to them are scope adjustments I just put a scope on it ) but was very happy with the start loads both were a 50 yrds will be stretching them out to 100 this weekend. weather has been C*** since I shot those groups but this weekend I will be back out to the range with some variations of these loads. one thing I have found and I don't know if it is particular to the 336 but the 35 seems to like some crimp and I don't worry about the OAL as much as concentricity of the boolit I push it down to the cannelure and crimp with a pretty stiff crimp and they seem to group better and I know with the tubular mag I will need to crimp so that works in my favor
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[MarkP]

I have been looking for a M 14 or 141 in 35 Rem. I have found myself downloading my 350 Rem Mags to 35 Rem levels.

[6pt-sika]

I had four Marlin's in 35 REM . A circa 1952 336SC , a pair of the 336D's (special run that looked like Guide Guns) and a 336XLR .

Killed a deer or two with the 336SC using the RCBS 35-200 pushed with SR7625 , killed a deer with one of the 336D's using a handloaded REM 200 gr RN CoreLokt bullet , killed a deer using the 336XLR shooting the factory loaded Leverevolution ammo and with the other 336D I had a load worked up with the Ranch Dog 359-190GC but never killed a deer with it before I sold the rifle .

To answer your question the 35 REM did fine in all those applications . However the 35 REM has never been in my top 5 favourite cartridges .

[badbob454]

Menner those are some fine groups nice gun too ,,, any others

[DeanWinchester]

I would have never believed ANYTHING could dethrone the .308 for me. .....my .35 Remington is doing just that.
I just can't make a bad load for it.

[badbob454]

cant wait to work up a load ... any suggestions 200 or 250 gr boolits

[geargnasher]

Reloder 7 or H335 with the RCBS 200FN. Read Glen Fryxell's article at LASC dot US on the .35 (America's OTHER levergun) where he lists some full-house cast loads with H335.

Gear

[whelenshooter]

I have a 35 rem built on a Mauser 93 action. It's my go to woods gun now that I'm whelen-less. I shoot a .360 Lee rn that I got as part of a group buy. It is plain based. I'm using IMR 4064 or milsurp 4895 at about 36 grains. That load is around 1900 fps. I get decent hunting groups with that load, but nothing to write home about. It does the job on deer though. I intend to work on some lower velocity loads to see if I can close the groups up some.

David

[Ben]

whelenshooter

I suspect the powder charges you are currently using on that plain based bullet ( 1,900 fps ) are your problems with your large groups.

Most likely your loads are far too fast for a plain based bullet. I don't have much luck with plain based bullets beyond 1,400 fps. Some say 1,600 fps is the limit with a plain based bullet , but that has not been my experience with my .30 cal. plain based rifle bullets in the accuracy dept.

Ben

[Agrotom]

I have two 35 Rem. a 141 Remington pump and a Marlin 336C I love them both and they are my favorite guns..

[northmn]

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Works oK for me. Use it quite a bit. Just got some Lever powder and will start handloading it.

DP

[DeanWinchester]

AA 2015 rules the roost in the 35 Remington IMO.
30.0g under an RCBS 35-200 will hit clay targets at 100 yards 10 out of 10 in my '53 336. With open sights, my eyes and pisspoor skills; That's super match grade stuff!

[Menner]

Thanks Badbobgerman I really like this rifle
The rcbs 35-200 I don't think you can go wrong with that boolit and I just used the load info from the lyman book for the 3031 and 6064 loads and I will work up from there but it gives me a base line may try a 4198 load also. the red dot load is something I have tried in most all my rifles some like it some don't.

I use AA2015 in my 204 ruger and it loves that powder 26.5gr just under 4k fps and sub 1" 5 shot groups at 200yrds if the dummy behind the stock does his part will reach out and touch em last fox was at 350yrds

[Menner]

what kind of velocities are you getting with the 2015 Dean?

[whelenshooter]

Thanks Ben. I didn't say large! I said hunting group. :grin: They're in the 2" to 2.5" range off the bench if I do my job at 100 yards, not too bad but not great. That's why I'm looking at developing some loads with faster powders. Lose some velocity but smaller groups, hopefully.

David


whelenshooter

I suspect the powder charges you are currently using on that plain based bullet ( 1,900 fps ) are your problems with your large groups.

Most likely your loads are far too fast for a plain based bullet. I don't have much luck with plain based bullets beyond 1,400 fps. Some say 1,600 fps is the limit with a plain based bullet , but that has not been my experience with my .30 cal. plain based rifle bullets in the accuracy dept.

Ben

[Larry Gibson]

My 35 Rem is a M91 Argentine Mauser rebarreled with a Shilen 26" barrel w/16" twist.....what's not to love?

Top target shows two 5 shot groups to zero at 100 yards. Bottom target is 5 shots at 200 yards. Load is 35-200-FN over 37 gr 4895 for 2150 fps.

Larry Gibson

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[357Mag]

Badbob -

Howdy !

My XLR is the only rifle I've had out to the range.... every range trip... for 2+ years.

18.7gr IMR4759 and Rem 7.5 under surplus Rem 150PSP " plated " bullets is just stupid accurate.

I'm also experimenting w/ " .35 Rem Neckless ", and shooting "Dead Center" swaged 195 SPBTs " patched " w/ Dymo label maker tape.

The gun is a hoot !!


With regards,
357Mag

[badbob454]

Larry Gibson,..... those are some beautiful hollow point fn boolits. they would do great on game and work in a tube as well

[Menner]

357Mag
Man That is one GOOD LOOKING Rifle and it shoots to (best of both worlds)
what do you look to gain with the neckless cartridges (accuracy obviously) never heard of doing that

[357Mag]

Menner -

Howdy !

I don't mean to hijack the post !!!

" .35 Rem neckless " started out as my idea of how to " beat the system ", and provide Indiana deer hunters w/ a case/cartridge
compliant w/ the latest rifle use restrictions. IMHO - the powers that be wanted to try and keep M-336's in .35Rem from being used,
and they biased things quasi-towards use of carbine sized cases. Sorta....

Whatever their thinking, my thought was to cut the neck off the .35 Rem case; and that would allow it to make the max case length restriction.
The " neckless " also was intended to be used in a M-336 ( although .35 Rem's in certain other actions also could prove workable ).

The key enabling factor to this whole " neckless " idea , is the availability of a suitable bullet.
The bullet I went with was the " Dead Center " 195gr swaged SPBT. These I pull from sabotted .45cal muzzle loader projectiles.

The 195s feature a "rebated" type boat tail, which I use to seal-off the powder combustion gasses at theier interface w/ the case " mouth ".

While the Dead Center .35 cal 175gr SPBTs would not reach the rifling... even when fairly-thickly patched; their 195s DO.
Seating the bullet and then introducing the cases to the chamber reminds me of Schuetzen" style shooting.

The Dymo label maker tape is easy to use. I chose it, as it is Nylon in materiel; which reminded me of the older S & W " Nyclad " line of ammo.
The swaged 195s mic' right @ .350", and the Dymo tape thickness seems to work just fine in my M-336's barrel.

I'm working w/ IMR 4759, and going up on powder charge weights s-l-o-w-l-y, as I'm out in uncharted territory.
* I use a wad of tissue paper tamped-down atop the powder columne; to keep it in-place. I fill the remainder of the case w/
" PuffLon " filler.

The latest test charges of 16.2gr were / are no wherez near max.
I will say, that the 16.2gr charge shoots the 195s flatter than a Hornady 140FTX over a much larger charge of 4759.
My point: these's gonna be enough power there ( w/ the 195 loads ) to kill a deer... at controlled ranges.

In-use, the rifle could be pre-loaded / chambered w/ a " neckless " round; and gun placed on "safe" while the hunter is in the blind.
In that respect, I see no difference in the practical operation of weapon.
Now.... at the end of the day... and no deer was shot at, the hunter would likely either have to:
- Un-chamber the charged case, and give a slight tap w/ a rod to dislodge the bullet in the leade".
or
- Discharge the round into the ground, similar to how Wild Bill emptied his percussion .36's at the end of every day.

" Why the " neckless " ?
Off the top of my head, I'd say..... it would be one way to use an existing .35Rem M-336 w/ no gun mods.
Also, one would not have to $$$ for custom reamers, dies, custom barrels, chambering jobs; et all. Not that there's anything wrong with doing those !!!
The shooter would be using the required minimum .35 cal weapon / cartridge, in a legal-length case.

I also will quickly add, that controlling neck tension in a bottleneck cartridge is one large piece of the accuracy puzzle. To do so, often requires the purchase of
dedicated neck size dies; and even shoulder bump or " combo " NS / bump dies. For .35Rem " neckless ", I propose the reloader/shooter make use of
brass that's already been fired in the rifle.

There will then be:
- NO need to FL size
- NO neck to neck size
- NO need to have /use a bullet seater die
- Fired brass can be de-primed w/ a simple pin punch and a small mallet

In other words:
*** " .35Rem neckless " allows one to re-load & shoot w/o having to make use of any dies ***.
I prime using a simple LEE hand prime tool.

Lastly... I've become interested in seeing just what kind of max charge wt and especially accuracy I might be able to obtain; w/ the neckless.
I don't live in Indiana, and am not myself going after deer.

Testing using something like a CVA .35Rem top break or similar .35 Rem H & R would give me more straight-forward access to the breech.
But a -336 XLR .35Rem I DO have.

Film @ 11:00.....


With regards,
357Mag

[Menner]

357Mag
I would really like to see the blow by blow on this project maybe in its own post? I am really new to the 35 Rem and I would never have thought of using a sabotted muzzle loader bullet patched with label tape.
My first thought is are you worried about washing out the throat/Chamber without the neck?
I don't have to worry about cartridge length issues and probably not a road I would go down but it is an interesting concept to say the least.
keep us posted on this one
Tony

[357Mag]

Tony -

Howdy !

OK... I'll migrate this over to its own post; after the next range outing. I did place a post about the " .35 Rem neckless " a long while back.

In the mean time, we can PM, if desired.


With regards,
357 Mag Kevin

[bearcove]

Got 4 of them. mice to moose. Little light for brown bear.

[wrench man]

Mine's a Marlin 336A, '50 vintage with a 24" "Ballard" rifled barrel, it was drilled ant tapped when I got it so I slapped a Weaver K-4 on top, with 200grn Core-Lokt pushed with H335 it'll do just over an inch, it's a deer slayer, haven't had the opportunity to take a bear with it yet?, but I have total faith that it, slap it down in it's tracks!?

[badbob454]

thanks no hijacks as it was about the 35 rem , keep em comming ,,... , bearcove dont some alaskans use a .223 for protection some of them fellers use an ar for protection , i figured that would pissemoff., and close up the 35 rem is supposed to have the taylor ko value close to a 300 win magnum due to its diameter velocity and boolit weight.. , so no good after say 50 yards >???

[starmac]

LOL I have heard of some of the natives using ar's even 30 carbines, but mostly 30/06 up and 338 and 375 is probably the most popular.
I have known a couple of women that kept a 35 rem at fish camp for bear medicine, pretty much because they shot them better than heavier rounds. At bear attack ranges, I tend to think they are probably as good as any, all of them would seem too small In my way of thinking. lol

[bearcove]

A 35 Rem would be much better than a AR in my opinion. Most folks feel a 30-06 minimum. A game warden years back used 06 to kill problem bears and found it to be adequate. I think a 45-70 loaded warm with a heavy boolit a better choice.

The 35 Rem has been loaded light to not damage the old autoloaders so if you have a Marlin more power is possible. I think Buffalo Bore loads the Speer 220 FN to 2200fps. Thats 300 fps more than my manuals show. That would put a hurt on a bear.

[crazy mark]

I like the 35 round I have a 336-A, 336SC, a model 14 pump and a 14" TC I use the RCBS 200 with good results.-

[bearcove]

If I recall correctly the RCBS 200 gr was designed for the 35 rem. Ideal boolit, weight, shape for feeding and a gas check to make it easier to work with microgroove. Shouldn't have that problem with your pump. 358315 was a 35 Rem boolit and Herters made a copy of it. Of course the round nose feeds great in anything. I always planned to cast it with a soft nose for deer, a little expansion and it should put them down right now.

[bearcove]

cant wait to work up a load ... any suggestions 200 or 250 gr boolits

Most popular load with 200s seems to be with 3031 for full power loads. Varget is one to look at also. Gives good vel with lower pressures. 250s are on the heavy end and I've not tried them.

[35remington]

If loading the 220 Speer to circa 2200 fps interests you, there is no powder that does it better........that is, very decent velocity with very respectably low pressures, than LVR.

In specific case life testing, which is related to pressure in a rear locking levergun, enormous case life is possible with the 220 Speer and 200 FTX bullets using LVR. Nothing else compares. And I've shot a few powders through a .35 336. In a boltgun powder may be more of a moot point in terms of case life, but not so in a 336.

Since cast bullets thrive to some degree at the lower pressures, it is worth a try there as well.

[TXGunNut]

I was introduced the the 35 Rem 20+ yrs ago as a good hunting round for a T/C Condender. Was awesome on the range and in the field but for some reason I lost interest in it. I've been keeping an eye out for a 336 in 35 Rem for years, finally found a very nice one shortly after I started casting boolits. I don't think there's a better hunting levergun/cartridge combo than the 336 in 35 Rem, though the Guide Gun in 45-70 comes close. Only drawback is brass availability; Remington seems to have no interest in selling component brass but last I heard Winchester is still making it. Good news is the brass lasts a long time with gentle loads.

[Alan]

Mine's a Marlin 336A, '50 vintage with a 24" "Ballard" rifled barrel, it was drilled ant tapped when I got it so I slapped a Weaver K-4 on top, with 200grn Core-Lokt pushed with H335 it'll do just over an inch, it's a deer slayer, haven't had the opportunity to take a bear with it yet?, but I have total faith that it, slap it down in it's tracks!?

I have a very similar gun, that came to me in about NRA-95% condition. I haven't even shot a box of factory loads thru it yet to get brass. I have a Lyman reciever sight I'm going to install before I take it to the range again. There was a group buy of an outstanding looking 220 FN bullet here a while back that I missed. If I can't get one of those, I guess the next purchase will be an RCBS .358-200.

[badbob454]

well.... i loaded some cast 205 gr boolits similar to the rcbs 35-200 ithey came with some brass fron a fellow cast shooter, loaded it up like bearcove stated 3031 powder this boolit weighed out 206 gr. and i used 36.6 gr of powder should have a muzzle vel of 2,000 fps . shot it for the first time at the range iron sights ... wow feels like 20% more power than a 30-30 . kicked between a 30-30 and a 30-06 could only shoot ten boolits but had a standing 200 yards group of approx 6'' all grouped @ 4'' under my target . it was windy and miserable out today 25mph-35mph gusts so i think i can do better on a calm day... im gonna stick to this load not too hot , not a plinker either...ok that was the good part , loaded up around 60 plinker loads semi wad cutters ... none of them would let me close my breach pushed one hard to check what was hitting, 2 gbands engaged in the rifling and went to eject case and powder no boolit .... darn it ... went and got a steel rod to tap it backwards out easy.. so i have 58 boolits to pull ..... ok i did shoot 1 I managed to shave the rings down enough to fit one in and shoot it , like a 38-357 magnum boolit nice .. this was a 700x load in a 158 gr semi-wadcutter, this was 7.4 gr powder 700x and i used a lee 1.0cc dipper . i always load 20-50 with powder , and when it is in the loading block i take it to a light source and visualise the powder height in each case to double check my self . saved a couple quib loads in my days ... thanks for all the feedback ,,,, .... badbob

[starmac]

I always load a couple dummys when dealing with a new bullet, then check and make sure they feed right. It kind of helps the next time I set the dies up too, just the way I do it, but it saves me from pulling a lot of rounds back down.

Sounds like it's a shooter. I sure like my little M14 in 30 cal.

[badbob454]

nnnnooowww you tell me . he he

[Buckshot]

..............I have a 35 Rem I built on a SR Mauser (1894 Brazilian) action.

http://www.fototime.com/89E2F2C1A9E4DC7/standard.jpg

Put it in a cheap Ramline plastic stock.

http://www.fototime.com/AEC40C4BAA66E93/standard.jpg

No mods done to the magazine follower or extractor.

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Sports a cheap Williams aperture rear sight.

http://www.fototime.com/DA9985F72A3A411/standard.jpg

Front sight is from a Rem 700.

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Here's 4 loads @ 50 yards with 35 Rem using Saeco 200gr FNGC boolit and WC846. 39.0 = 2140, 40.0 = 2271, 40.5 = 2272, 41.0 = 2334.

..............Buckshot