It shouldn't be too difficult - 410 loads using Winchester primers

[rtracy2001]

I wanted to load up some 2.5" Remington STS hulls for my .410, but I can't seem to find a load for the components I have. None of the loads in my manuals use Winchester primers with 2400 or 410 powder (Remington primers are >$57/1000 when you can find them here). Is there some mystical incompatibility there? Normally I would reduce the load by .5 grains and do a primer substitution, but I have been cautioned that the .410 doesn't behave like a 12 ga, and this approach may not work. Does anyone have a proven load using these components?

Primer:

Win 209 or Fed 209 (NOT 209A)

Powder:

410 or 2400

Wad:

Fed 410 SC or Win WAA41

Any help is appreciated.

[Hogtamer]

1) Lead Shot 410 Bore 1/2 oz. H110 Win. 209 Rem. SP410 17 11,600 PSI 1300 fps
2) Lead Shot 410 Bore 1/2 oz. H110 Win. 209 WAA410HS 16.3 10,300 PSI 1250
from http://data.hodgdon.com/shotshell_load.asp

[krag35]

I have never had a problem subbing Winchester 209's for any other 209 primer (Your mileage may vary)

[cpileri]

Right, it doesnt SOUND too hard; but what charge weight and velocity are you trying to achieve? or does it matter?

from Lyman:

.410 Gauge (Lyman Data) 2 1/2" Remington Premier STS Plastic Shells, Fold Crimp, Bismuth Shot Reloading Data
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Shot Powder Type Manufacturer Charge Primer Wad Velocity
7/16 ounce 2400 Alliant 15.0 Rem. 209P Win. WAA41 1300
Remarks: 10,900 psi


Read more: http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?shotgunid=385&SW=Win. WAA41&PT=2400&gaugeid=47&type=1&header=.410 Gauge (Lyman Data) Reloading Data#ixzz2r2Fvckjx
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[lancem]

Looked up loads in the RCBS data book, they only show Lil'gun and H110. Don't think I've ever seen such a short load list for a shotshell!

[sprinkintime]

Looked up loads in the RCBS data book, they only show Lil'gun and H110. Don't think I've ever seen such a short load list for a shotshell!

In the old Lyman Shotshell Handbook 2nd Edition, they list:
IMR 4227 , win.209, at a 1/2 oz.
296, fed.209, 1/2 oz. plus other loads that might be helpful.

Sprink

[woody1]

rtracy, I load quite a few 410's. I don't generally use 2400 except when I load 444's for the 410. That's not to say it won't work fine for you because it will. My go-to hulls are the old Win AA's NOT the HS variety. I've recently obtained a number of Rem STS's and I load them exactly the same as I load the Win AA's using Win primers and WAA41 but I use WW296 powder. If I was going to use 2400 I would drop the load 1/2 grain when I substituted the primer because the 2400 loads run at higher pressure than W296. This is a long-winded way of saying I'd do what you suggested. Now the fine print: I don't recommend you do it but it's what I would do. In fact, I may just go and try it and see if I can whack a wayward Starling with it. Regards, Woody

[sandman228]

generic 410 load --- any hull, any wad , any primer , 1/2 oz shot ,13 gr of 2400 . I picked it up off the internet a while back when I 1st started loading 410 I cant remember exactly what sight though . if shot it from a Taurus judge public defender , a stoeger 410 o/u, and a Mossberg 500 410 pump. I know the Winchester primers will be fine ive used them in this load ,ive since moved onto rio primers though cause I can get them for 22$ per 1000 locally . I also use the win or fed wads you have listed along with claybuster . I hope this helps you out . ive got other 410 data for smokeless or black powder if your interested .

[boltaction308]

Since we are on the subject of 410 shotgun, Does anyone know the difference between a Rem SP410 and a Rem SP410-S wad?

[woody1]

Since we are on the subject of 410 shotgun, Does anyone know the difference between a Rem SP410 and a Rem SP410-S wad?

S=stitched petal design Otherwise the same wad. I have not used these but IMO you should prob'ly break the stitching prior to loading. Regards, Woody

[Teddy (punchie)]

Hi Tracy

Here one load:

To look at and compare.

Case (hull) Western Or Winchester Compressed Formed ( AA ) 2-1/2 load for use in 3" guns ?? Not sure why it is listed this way.
Target & Field Load 1/2 oz.

Powder 2400 13.0 grs. , Primer Winchester 209, Wad Winchester #WAA41, Velocity 1110 (fps), Pressure 9900 l.u.p. 3rd. Edition Lyman

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Same load for 2-1/2 velocity 1125, pressure 10,400

3rd. Edition Lyman
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Same load Hercules Guide

Velocity 1,200 , Pressure 11,700

[woody1]

Hi Tracy

Here one load:

To look at and compare.

Case (hull) Western Or Winchester Compressed Formed ( AA ) 2-1/2 load for use in 3" guns ?? Not sure why it is listed this way.
Target & Field Load 1/2 oz.

Powder 2400 13.0 grs. , Primer Winchester 209, Wad Winchester #WAA41, Velocity 1110 (fps), Pressure 9900 l.u.p. 3rd. Edition Lyman

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Same load for 2-1/2 velocity 1125, pressure 10,400

3rd. Edition Lyman
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Same load Hercules Guide

Velocity 1,200 , Pressure 11,700

Even though loaded in the same hull, apparently there is a different pressure in a 3" chamber vs. a 2 1/2 inch chamber. Most of you prob'ly don't have to pay any attention to this but those of us with older 2 1/2" guns prob'ly should. Regards, Woody

[rtracy2001]

Looks like I have some loads for 2400 to try, so I can at least get the empties I have loaded up (think I will pass on buying more STS hulls though). As far as payload and velocity, I am not really picky. I am loading 2-1/2" shells and want to stick to 1/2" loads. Anything from 1100 fps to 1400 fps would be fine, I don't have a chronograph anyway - So long as I keep my pressures safe.

I am a little bit disappointed with the Alliant 410 powder. It is supposed to be designed just for the 410, but seems to have very limited loading data, even on Alliant's website.

[sandman228]

Looks like I have some loads for 2400 to try, so I can at least get the empties I have loaded up (think I will pass on buying more STS hulls though). As far as payload and velocity, I am not really picky. I am loading 2-1/2" shells and want to stick to 1/2" loads. Anything from 1100 fps to 1400 fps would be fine, I don't have a chronograph anyway - So long as I keep my pressures safe.

I am a little bit disappointed with the Alliant 410 powder. It is supposed to be designed just for the 410, but seems to have very limited loading data, even on Alliant's website.

yea kinda like bullseye says great for light 12 gauge loads right on the bottle but theres not a single 12 gauge load on alliants web sight for bullseye powder

[cpileri]

Here is all I have on 410 powder w 2.5" rem hulls; true; not much.

.410 Gauge (Lyman Data) 2 1/2" Remington Premier STS Plastic Shells, Fold Crimp, Buckshot
Shot Powder Type Manufacturer Charge Primer Wad Velocity
4 - #00 410 Alliant 14.0 CCI 209 Rem. SP410 1405
Remarks: 11,200 psi


.410 Bore (Alliant Data) 2 1/2" Remington Plastic Shells (STS, Premier)
Shot Powder Type Manufacturer Charge Primer Wad Velocity
1/2 ounce 410 Alliant 12.0 Rem 209 STS Rem. SP410 1200
Remarks: 9500 psi
1/2 ounce 410 Alliant 12.7 Rem 209 STS Rem. SP410 1230
Remarks: 9700 psi
1/2 ounce 410 Alliant 12.2 Rem 209 STS Fed. 410SC 1200
Remarks: 10700 psi
1/2 ounce 410 Alliant 12.3 Rem 209 STS Win. WAA41 1200
Remarks: 8800 psi
1/2 ounce 410 Alliant 12.3 Rem 209 STS CB1050-41 1200
Remarks: 8700 psi
1/2 ounce 410 Alliant 12.8 Rem 209 STS Duster 4150 1230
Remarks: 9900 psi
1/2 ounce 410 Alliant 12.2 CCI 209M Rem. SP410 1200
Remarks: 9800 psi

[W.R.Buchanan]

I use Hogtamer's #2 load exclusively. 16.3 gr of H110, Win or Fed 209 primer, and Claybuster CB5050-410/ WAA41 was 1/2 oz #9shot.

I realize you said 410 or 2400 powder and I would suggest a look at a Hodgdons manual for the exact charge for that powder. The rest is pretty generic to the .410. There isn't a zillion different wads maybe 2 most popular, and the primers do make some diff but not that much.

Also it should be noted that shotgun reloading press powder dispensers are not noted for +-.1 accuracy. More like +-.3-.4 gr.

This is not a shell that needs a lot of experimentation. I had 10 lbs of H110 and I decided I needed a .410 to shoot it all up, which will still take 10-15 years. Once you get set up leave it alone and stick with it. All you're really looking for is complete powder burn.

You already have everything else in place.

Randy

[rtracy2001]

I use Hogtamer's #2 load exclusively. 16.3 gr of H110, Win or Fed 209 primer, and Claybuster CB5050-410/ WAA41 was 1/2 oz #9shot.

I realize you said 410 or 2400 powder and I would suggest a look at a Hodgdons manual for the exact charge for that powder. The rest is pretty generic to the .410. There isn't a zillion different wads maybe 2 most popular, and the primers do make some diff but not that much.

Also it should be noted that shotgun reloading press powder dispensers are not noted for +-.1 accuracy. More like +-.3-.4 gr.

This is not a shell that needs a lot of experimentation. I had 10 lbs of H110 and I decided I needed a .410 to shoot it all up, which will still take 10-15 years. Once you get set up leave it alone and stick with it. All you're really looking for is complete powder burn.

You already have everything else in place.

Randy

I use the 2400 in my 30 carbine, so it was already available. The 410 was the only shotgun powder (suitable for .410) that has been in stock for the last few months. I have a few Win AAHS hulls, but the ammo got scarce, so I bought the STS stuff. Once these are worn out, I don't think I will be buying them again. I'll stick to the AA hulls.

[cpileri]

rtracy,
did you ever have any success w these/
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[rtracy2001]

rtracy,
did you ever have any success w these/
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I have a few loaded up (reduced the RP primer loads by .1-.2 gr) but I haven't had a chance to get out and shoot (weather, wife, whatever). The bushings seem drop consistent charge, but not what the charts claim.