NOE 452 230gr large HP [Archive]

Blammer

01-17-2014, 03:56 PM

that particular one wt's 230gr as a HP. :)

this is the large HP one

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits/45ACP/452250GrRF.jpg (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/blammer8mm/media/Cast%20boolits/45ACP/452250GrRF.jpg.html)

Blammer

01-17-2014, 04:00 PM

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits/45ACP/1111-096-452249GrRFHP.jpg (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/blammer8mm/media/Cast%20boolits/45ACP/1111-096-452249GrRFHP.jpg.html)

same one above

glockky

01-17-2014, 07:09 PM

Thanks blammer

Bohica793

01-17-2014, 08:17 PM

I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

Bonz

01-17-2014, 08:21 PM

My Colt and Sig 45's will not reliably feed anything but RN. Do you guys have any issues with these HP with feed ?

glockky

01-17-2014, 09:01 PM

Glad you asked that I am looking to put these through my FNX 45

Blammer

01-17-2014, 10:27 PM

I run these through my XD45, my Kimber Ultra Carry 45 and my RIA with no troubles at all.

RobS

01-17-2014, 11:18 PM

Around 230 grains for the above design that Blammer put up which is forum member 45 2.1 's design. IIRC it's a 454424 (Keith) bottom with a LFN style ogive/nose and the same meplat as the 454424. Mine comes in at around 234 grains as a HP and 260 grain as a solid. I feed it in a few 1911's, a couple XD's, a Hi Point 45 and also two SAR K2's. If my friend would have been able to visit over the holiday's we would have been able to try it in his FN 45.

Bonz

01-18-2014, 11:42 AM

Would love to have a .45 HP mold but kinda gave up because of issues with Sig P220 and Colt Defender on anything other than RN. If any of you guys have some of these specific bullets and would be willing to sell some for me to try in my pistolas, trade for ???, etc.; please shoot me a PM with details.

SwedeNelson

01-18-2014, 12:49 PM

glockky

Sorry - with the move to the new shop and internet service problems there I never got your question
Blammer is spot on - it is 230Gr. as a HP

Robs
"Around 230 grains for the above design that Blammer put up which is forum member 45 2.1 's design"
Wrong - we had no help with this one - its a NOE all the way - Started life as a heavy round nose

Swede Nelson

fastfire

01-18-2014, 09:32 PM

I will be getting mine in the mail Tuesday:drinks:

C. Latch

01-18-2014, 09:45 PM

I will be getting mine in the mail Tuesday:drinks:

Me too. I just finished priming some .45 ACP brass and I have a new can of 800-x waiting for the mold to arrive. :grin:

C. Latch

01-18-2014, 09:45 PM

BTW, what OAL are people loading this one to?

Blammer

01-18-2014, 09:50 PM

add .34 to the top of your 45acp case. :)

forget what it is exactly but that is where I seat mine for loading.

C. Latch

01-18-2014, 10:24 PM

add .34 to the top of your 45acp case. :)

forget what it is exactly but that is where I seat mine for loading.

That makes sense after looking at the drawing again. :wink:

jcobb651

01-19-2014, 09:15 AM

I really like the design of that bullet as well. Have debated purchasing the mold all weekend. Anyone willing to sell a few hundred of these for me to try in my Springfield before I spend for the mold?

ShooterAZ

01-19-2014, 09:37 AM

I have used it in 5 different 1911's with 100% function. My mold casts the HP at 235gr using 1/25 alloy.

Echd

01-19-2014, 09:43 AM

Works great in my Sig 220, G30, G31, and Kimber. No issues at all, good accuracy.

Blammer

01-19-2014, 09:54 AM

head over to the bullet swap section, may get a taker there.

glockky

01-25-2014, 10:56 PM

Anyone have any expansion results with this bullet?

Bullshop Junior

01-26-2014, 01:01 AM

jcobb651

01-26-2014, 01:09 AM

I just finished casting a couple hundred. Hope to get the first coating on tomorrow afternoon then range next weekend.

C. Latch

01-26-2014, 01:30 AM

I just finished casting a couple hundred. Hope to get the first coating on tomorrow afternoon then range next weekend.

I just finished loading a few - some lubed, some coated, some from 85/15 COWW/SOWW and some from 1:3 COWW/SOWW over a fast (but not +p) charge of 800-x, and a small handful cast as solids and loaded a bit lighter, but it'll be a week before I get to shoot unless it rains.

The mold, FWIW, casts wonderfully. Once I figured out how to work the HP pins I made a long run of good bullets and am very pleased with the mold.

jcobb651

01-26-2014, 07:43 AM

I agree....the mold casts much better than the Lee molds I have been using. I also bought the digital thermometer that goes into the mold block, as well as a lead pot thermometer. I was having a huge variance in weight when using the Lee mold. I have only been casting for maybe a year and only have 3 or 4 casting sessions under my belt so my technique is probably a bit off. Not sure if it is the mold, or the consistent temperature, or a combination of both but mine are casting an average of 231 grains with my COWW alloy. Ive had a few run as high as 237 grains but that was only a handfull. I now know that before using the thermometers I was running my pot entirely too hot. With this run I was keeping the pot between 700-750 degrees, and casting with the mold between right around 415 - 425. No colder than 400 and no hotter than 440. Does this sound about right? Now I'm planning to add a PID.

C. Latch

01-26-2014, 10:10 AM

Mine are going 232 with the HP pins and 253 with the flat pins, using the 85/15 mixture. I have no idea about temperatures - in cold temps I run my lyman pot wide-open and start casting and dropping bullets back into the pot until the mold is hot enough to get perfect base fillout. Usually when I start getting good bases, I'll start keeping bullets, and after a while I'll begin to notice that my sprues cut too soft, or tear a little, or wipe a little lead across the face of the mold when I cut the sprue, and at that point I drop the pot temperature a bit and start forcing myself to let the sprues cool longer.

I honestly have no idea what temperature I end up casting at, but my bullets, when done using the above routine, end up pretty consistent. I do that with every bullet I cast, more or less, and with this NOE mold (and the other NOE I bought at the same time, a 311165) that routine makes shiny bullets, not hot enough to show any frosting. I only weighed a handful of these; I've found that if a bullet looks good, it probably *is* good, and while I might weigh bullets meant for long-range shooting, most of my .45s will not be shot further than 25 yards, at least this early batch anyway.

C. Latch

01-26-2014, 10:12 AM

One thing I *DID* learn with this mold - my first HP mold - is DO NOT sit the mold down in the alloy to heat it. That was a stupid mistake; I had to drop it back and leave it until it was hot enough to melt out most of the mess that clogged up my HP pin tracks. Lesson learned. :)

jcobb651

01-26-2014, 11:12 AM

Lesson I learned....be sure the mold is up to temp when the HP pins are installed. Bullets freeze to cold pins and are difficult to remove lol

glockky

01-26-2014, 01:27 PM

I think I may pick one of these up I was just afraid the 230gr wouldn't expand. I have never used NOE's HP molds and wasn't sure how hard they were to cast with.

jcobb651

01-26-2014, 01:44 PM

So easy a caveman can do it. I did.

ShooterAZ

01-26-2014, 01:46 PM

What I learned, is that the mold is a little more difficult to preheat than some of my other molds. I wound up setting the mold upside down (sprue plate down) on the hot plate on medium, while my pot of 1/25 was melting. Once I did this I was casting perfect boolits from start to finish.

C. Latch

01-26-2014, 04:22 PM

Lesson I learned....be sure the mold is up to temp when the HP pins are installed. Bullets freeze to cold pins and are difficult to remove lol

I oiled my pins, once the oil burned off my bullets came off the pins a bit easier; they still stick a bit but a tap on the handle pivot pin helps them come out. I didn't plan on casting many of these (no use stockpiling them until I know what alloy and powder combo works well) but I pretty quickly had a pile of ~100 bullets.

white eagle

01-26-2014, 04:43 PM

thats my go to boolit for my 45acp

jcobb651

01-30-2014, 09:19 PM

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/31/ahaja2e9.jpg

As cast on the left, coated, sized, and re-coated on the right. Now if I can find time to load up a hundred or so tomorrow maybe I can get to the range Saturday.

glockky

01-30-2014, 09:35 PM

I would like to hear your results. I personally like a heavy bullet in a 45.

fastfire

01-30-2014, 09:39 PM

I'm going to do a wet phone book test this weekend and will report back w-pictures.

reloader28

01-31-2014, 12:23 PM

Just ordered mine. Cant wait to get busy with it.
I'm going to try 50WW/50lead/2tin. I like this alloy.

C. Latch

02-01-2014, 02:08 PM

Shot some of mine this morning. They fed perfectly. :)

hickfu

02-02-2014, 02:13 PM

I wanted this mold but was told it would be a waste of money because a 45acp wouldnt shoot it fast enough to expand it even using soft lead. Now I see others are using this mold and I am getting excited again about purchasing and using it...

Doc

glockky

02-02-2014, 02:42 PM

My 4 cavity is on its way. I would like to see some expansion results

tygar

02-02-2014, 02:52 PM

jcobb651

02-02-2014, 02:56 PM

The large opening has my straight COWW allow dropping at 231 grains.

glockky

02-02-2014, 05:53 PM

C. Latch

02-02-2014, 06:10 PM

The way I see it with the proper alloy the 230 have to expand. There are too many bullet companies with excellent expanding 230gr 45's. And the jwords there wrapped in I would think slows down expansion

I shot several into dirt yesterday afternoon (945' MV, shot at point-blank into dirt) and the one I managed to recover (didn't have a shovel with me) was expanded to .70" or so, shot from a mix of 85% SOWW and 15% COWW. I want now to try some from straight SOWW with a bit of tin or pewter, because I don't want to shoot them at this speed all of the time. No need for it for plinking.

Either they expand or they do not; I have plenty of Winchester Ranger or Speer Gold Dots for carrying for self-defense. I *might* hunt with this load one of these days, and my dad *might* borrow a 1911 loaded with this bullet cast as a flat point to have handy during his next elk hunt in bear territory. Otherwise, the main function of the hollowpoint is to have an easy way to stand this bullet up for powder-coating.

jcobb651

02-09-2014, 05:52 PM

I ran about 50 through my Springfield loaded parked this afternoon. Fed flawlessly. Now I need to run some over a chrony and work up an accurate load. THEN I will check expansion.

Echd

02-09-2014, 05:57 PM

These were very hard. COWW water dropped and aged about 2 weeks or so. Those that did not expand fully were clogged with mud- they were recovered from pretty hardpacked dirt.

http://i.imgur.com/0R3sVGG.jpg

Softer lead would certainly get better results, but when I PC boolits I tend to water drop them, as I don't really care if my plinking bullets expand so long as they are accurate, and these are.

C. Latch

02-09-2014, 08:05 PM

I ran about 50 through my Springfield loaded parked this afternoon. Fed flawlessly. Now I need to run some over a chrony and work up an accurate load. THEN I will check expansion.

What powder?

I used 800-x, have some loaded now with 700-x, and really want to try another batch with Red Dot.

jcobb651

02-09-2014, 08:24 PM

I ran W231, Titegroup, and Unique. I wasnt really looking for accuracy...mainly testing to see that they would feed. I also replaced my recoil spring yesterday with an 18.5 and was trying to get a feel for how the gun reacted. I had been running 200 grainers.

fastfire

02-09-2014, 08:28 PM

My results in wet phone books.

jcobb651

02-09-2014, 09:52 PM

My results in wet phone books.

I'm guessing the red I see is powder coating?

When your notes say soft....what do you mean?

Some of those expanded ones are impressive.

fastfire

02-10-2014, 12:40 AM

Yes ES powder coat, HF red.
The soft is from sheet lead. The soft produced better results than 14BHN boolits as they broke up when they opened.
Yes, I was impressed also.

CPL Lou

02-10-2014, 05:57 AM

Thanks for sharing your findings with us fastfire [smilie=s:

CPL Lou

C. Latch

02-11-2014, 10:07 PM

I cast a pile of these this afternoon.

I wonder if the crimp groove is deep enough to hold them in place if I stuffed them into a .45 Colt case in front of a ruger-only charge of 2400?

jcobb651

02-22-2014, 11:01 PM

Got around to testing some this afternoon. Velocity ranged from 675 to 875 as I was conducting ladder tests on several powders. Rounds were fired over a chronograph and into wet soft sandy loam soil. As an afterthought I decided to dig a few out. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/23/dupa4yve.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/23/aga3y5ug.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/23/9ujere8y.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/23/ybe6apa8.jpg

Weight retention and expansion was exceptional in this media in my opinion.

C. Latch

03-01-2014, 11:08 PM

I finally got a few minutes at the range this afternoon. Shot some of the 452-230 through a 1911 (4.7 grains of 700-x); in this case they functioned fine, except that a handful were seated a hair too long and the slide wouldn't close completely without a gentle nudge. A tweak of the seating stem should fix that. Apparently this 1911 has a slightly shorter chamber than my other one.

C. Latch

03-03-2014, 09:38 AM

I loaded some up last night in the .45 Colt in front of 20.0 grains of 2400. I bet they'll expand. :grin:

C. Latch

03-15-2014, 10:55 PM

Well, I don't know if they expanded or not, but I shot several of these today out of the Blackhawk, at ~1260' MV. I shot them offhand and accuracy was as good as anything else I've ever shot offhand; more importantly, no leading at all.

RobS

03-15-2014, 11:39 PM

This designs works very well at 45 auto velocities. Of course you can't have a hard boolit alloy.

Here is a thread about the BRP 453640 (same design as the NOE) and in there is some info. I did along with some pictures.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?66230-453640&highlight=453640
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