nagant

[txpete]

just picked this one up.I know that they can be a pain to reload for just needed one to go with the 91/30's:-D:-D.
pete

this one is a tula and M.O./52 stamped.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/2007_120318950003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/2007_120318950004.jpg

[NVcurmudgeon]

Pete, looks like a nice one. I have a 1937 Tula that I can keep in about a foot at 15 yd. (Takes a lot of concentration with that off the scale trigger pull.) There is no recoil or muzzle blast worth mentioning, and great fun to shoot.

[9.3X62AL]

Bill/Pete--

I just had an inspired thought.......at NCBS 2008, I suggest we have a Nagant Revolver Match. 15 yards, a #2 washtub-sized target, fired double-action. Highest number of hits on target takes the purse. Scoring rings won't be needed, I predict.

Fired single-action, my little 1916 Tula will keep most rounds on a 14" x 14" dinger plate at 35 yards. Like I've stated before, to "upgrade" the Imperial Russian Army from the S&W #3 in 44 Russian to this contraption ranks as the most egregious armory ballistic faux pas and ugliest vendor rip-off in modern history. In comparison, the transition from M-14 to M-16 systems in our country was a day at the beach. These weird little rollers are still fun to shoot, but their absence from Camp Perry is no accident.

Heck, even cowboy shooters won't try them. I considered showing up at one of our club's cowboy matches with either the Nagant roller or the Broomhandle Mauser, and facetiously trying to run one of these pre-1900 designs as a viable sidearm. Didn't one of John Wayne's sons use a Bergmann self-loader in one of his films? That's a precedent! No, better to not agitate the CAS folks, the trap shooters already don't like me--no need to alienate even more people.

[EMC45]

AL, I believe it was Big Jake and it was a Bergmann. I also have thought that according to SASS rules those 2 pistols would be perfectly legal. Try it and see how many folks get their spurs in a twist!

[txpete]

yup it sure isn't my phyton thats forsure:-D:-D:-D:-D.I'll get a handle on it soon.I ordered 100 hot shot rounds for the brass and just go from there.I am looking for a set of dies just in case someone has some getting dusty:-D.
trust me going from this to the TT33 to the mak was a BIG step in the right direction.
pete

[NVcurmudgeon]

Bill/Pete--

I just had an inspired thought.......at NCBS 2008, I suggest we have a Nagant Revolver Match. 15 yards, a #2 washtub-sized target, fired double-action. Highest number of hits on target takes the purse. Scoring rings won't be needed, I predict.

Fired single-action, my little 1916 Tula will keep most rounds on a 14" x 14" dinger plate at 35 yards. Like I've stated before, to "upgrade" the Imperial Russian Army from the S&W #3 in 44 Russian to this contraption ranks as the most egregious armory ballistic faux pas and ugliest vendor rip-off in modern history. In comparison, the transition from M-14 to M-16 systems in our country was a day at the beach. These weird little rollers are still fun to shoot, but their absence from Camp Perry is no accident.

Heck, even cowboy shooters won't try them. I considered showing up at one of our club's cowboy matches with either the Nagant roller or the Broomhandle Mauser, and facetiously trying to run one of these pre-1900 designs as a viable sidearm. Didn't one of John Wayne's sons use a Bergmann self-loader in one of his films? That's a precedent! No, better to not agitate the CAS folks, the trap shooters already don't like me--no need to alienate even more people.


Da, Tovarich! Counting myself in for Nagant matchsky.

[NVcurmudgeon]

Just went out to the shop and measured the DA pull of my Nagant. Using the precision trigger pull gauge, a small hand cleaner bucket and ingots, the DA pull measured 18 lb. (8 KG,) or a little less. The final weight was arrived at by stepping on a bathroom scale with and without the bucket. As you can readily see, scientific standards were maintained throughout the process.

[9.3X62AL]

Pete--

If you have a 30 Carbine sizer die, and 32-20 expander and seater die--yer all set. Just adjust them upward. Use 32-20 shellholder (RCBS #1), and get under way. I don't set that ridiculous deep crimp at the front end--just a moderate roll crimp, and treat the whole cartridge like a long 32-20 wadcutter. Remember--this revolver came from a country where they build the fighter planes to land in plowed cornfields. Refinement ain't their thing at all, as the trigger pull so succinctly illustrates.

[Harry O]

9.3x62AL: Just can't stay away from those .32's (or near that), eh?

[KCSO]

The called it a Bergmann 1911 and claimed it was pre production, but the actual gun was a Walther P38 with cosmetic mods. I did shoot a Merwin and Hulbert 44-40 at a shoot once and with it's slick double action it was a winner till round 12 whne it fouling locked.

[txpete]

Pete--

If you have a 30 Carbine sizer die, and 32-20 expander and seater die--yer all set. Just adjust them upward. Use 32-20 shellholder (RCBS #1), and get under way. I don't set that ridiculous deep crimp at the front end--just a moderate roll crimp, and treat the whole cartridge like a long 32-20 wadcutter. Remember--this revolver came from a country where they build the fighter planes to land in plowed cornfields. Refinement ain't their thing at all, as the trigger pull so succinctly illustrates.

thanks for the info.I don't have a 30 carbine sizer but do have the lee 311 93 1-R mold.from what I am finding out the hot shot (pri) has the orginal thin rim on their brass.
my mold with my alloy drops 312-313 so atleast the bullet might work???.
thanks
pete
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/I-16_fs.jpg

[9.3X62AL]

I've tried the Lee 100 RN @ .311" mostly, it shot pretty well. The revo's barrel has ~.310" groove, the Starline brass has .012" sidewalls near the case mouth. So, a .311" boolit + (.012 x 2) = .335", giving roughly .003" of clearance for boolit release in the cylinder. The case mouth functions as the "throat", and I don't think that .003" of rattle room does wonders for accuracy--but I don't want zero clearance for release from dead stop, either. Zero leading anyway, maybe a softer alloy would "bump up" after things get moving. Or a swaged Hornady HBWC might do The Right Things.

For my next trick, I plan to try Lyman #313492 button-end wadcutters in this caliber and a few others. I don't think that mold has been heated up in almost 20 years, other than whatever work Felix did with it a while back.

I'm guessing that aircraft is a Yak........the Stormovik looked leaner than the pictured reciprocator, I thought.

[Ricochet]

I think it's an I-16.

[Charley]

Polikarpov I-16, but I don't know which varient offhand. Looks like a later one, with wing guns.

[Scrounger]

I think it's an I-16.

Correct http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.commemorativeairforce.org/gallery/acgallery/fullsize/I-16_fs.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.commemorativeairforce.org/gallery/index.html&h=336&w=500&sz=24&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=D9LPHKJQ7WyO8M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=

[txpete]

this summer we took a few days and went to the caf museum.I had to see this bird in person.it was alot of fun looking at all the old acft they had.I got just a little bummed when they had a old cobra sitting outside:-D.I guess we are not getting any younger:-D.
pete

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/i-16001.jpg

[Ricochet]

You need to go see the replica Vietnam base next to the Yorktown at Charleston, SC. They've got one of those and a Huey, among others.

[txpete]

thanks next time I am out east I'll check it out.going to date myself here..started on AH-1G's and hueys and finished up working on the apache longbow:-D.never did care for the 30mm chaingun...miniguns were the best.:drinks:

pete

[wonderwolf]

Looks like a nice revolver you picked up. Thats gonna be the first thing I pick up when my C&R paperwork gets back to me.

[txpete]

I just got in the pri hot shot ammo.pretty wild looking stuff.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/2007_12077dec0003.jpg

[wonderwolf]

I picked up some 32 S&W long dies for $10 at a show, If I'm careful I can use them to load ammo for the nagant....I gotta get one first though. Dug through my brass stash and came up with about 50pcs of 32S&W long brass from range pick up...gotta love free :-D

[Ricochet]

The .32 S&W Longs are a good bit smaller in diameter at the case head. They'll swell.

[smokemjoe]

Mine is at the UPS office, we iced in and truck trucks can move, Is it right then I can use 32-20 brass with the different die set ups. Thanks Joe

[Ricochet]

Right now over at http://ioinc.us/ they have the M95 ('30s and '40s production as of about noon today) for sale at $58.95 on a pre-Christmas special. Condition's not mentioned, but I'm expecting the typical rearsenalled Nagant.