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[45 2.1]

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Specs: 1.61" & 1.68" O.A.L. for 44 Mag
240 grain bullet

[C1PNR]

45 2.1,

Did you see the talk on the other site of a 6 C Lee in the 454 423 Lyman design?

My Brother and I each have a 2 C in that design, and I LOVE shooting it in my .45 Colt. :) I really need to try it in the .45 AR case in the extra cylinder of my Blackhawk.

More in answer to your question, though, this looks like it could work in my .44 Specials.

[45 2.1]

Yes, I saw the 6 cavity talk, I started it and sometime there will be another bullet drawing of it here. The 45AR will not fit the extra Blackhawk cylinder unless the back of the cylinder is milled off. You can use the standard 45 ACP case and do that though.

[C1PNR]

Rats! I think you're right. Maybe I was thinking of the S&W 25-2. But that's set up more for target.

Well, shucks, maybe I'll just have to shoot it out of 45 Colt cases, like I've been doing for years.

I really do want to try that ACP cylinder in the BH, though. Heard so many good things on the board here. Guess I'll have to think on this some more.

[Dutch4122]

45 2.1 -

Are you planning a custom run of Lee Six Cavity molds for this design?

I can think of several uses for this "Boolit." Looks like just the ticket with the dual crimp grooves. Should work as a plinker for my Marlin 1894ss as well as my Redhawk.

[45 2.1]

Dutch-
If somebody will honcho this design, then it will be a group buy. Sundog and I have talked about the crimp groove locations for the Rossi 44 mag rifles. What is needed is a few more reporting the max O.A.L. that they can use in their 44 mag rifles. The top groove is for the rifles at factory O.A.L. (1.610") and the bottom groove should work for most handguns. The crimp grooves can be moved around a little to fit those hard to make work guns.

[Dutch4122]

FWIW-

The literature that came with my 1894ss (just got it out of layaway last month) from Marlin indicates that the max c.o.l. the gun will feed is 1.610 inches. I am in the middle of building a new "workshop" for my safe, handloading equipment, and casting stuff; so I won't be able to confirm that for quite some time as everything I have is still boxed up in the garage.

However, I did correspond over at Graybeards 2 years ago with a poster that had a brand new 1894 in .44 Mag that would feed cartridges of 1.610" in length. Looks to me like you have a pretty safe bet for the placement of the crimp grooves so far. :wink:

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My Marlin 1894 will feed cartridges as long as 1.7" but that's pushing it.

[felix]

My Ruger lever gun will feed cartridges as long as 1.6" and that is absolute max, with maybe 0.02 slop left over. The top most crimp cannot exceed 0.3" remaining nose. ... felix

[45 2.1]

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Version #2
1.585" O.A.L. with 0.300" nose to case
1.630" O.A.L. with secondary use for 444 Marlin
1.680" O.A.L.

[Willbird]

I'd be in for a single grease groove design, I really see no reason for multiple grooves in a pistol boolit, single grooves make any lubesizer easier to setup.

Bill

[felix]

It will probably cast easier with one groove with a 55 degree angle. Just where to put the groove is probably immaterial, but near the base won't hurt a thing. I think it was BA who had a mold made with only a gas check shank enlongated for his only groove. Worked fine in a revolter. I'm not sure if he used it in a rifle. ... felix

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[45 2.1]

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[sundog]

Version #2 looks a little like the Lee 200 grainer, but with an extra crimp groove. I like it. It could even go over 240 grains as far as I'm concerned, maybe to 250. Mutiple crimp grooves are of little concern when loading for pistol/carbine/rifle combos as whatever the lever gun's OAL is will dictate that load. When I find something that works, I load all the same as it feeds everything. I know one thing - I've tried several Keith boolits and they do NOT perform well in the Rossi for feed and function. I much prefer the RF's. Now if you go to a signle grease groove you will end up with something like the Ly 429667 (?), their cowboy boolit, but with two crimp grooves. All of this needs to be driven by an OAL that will work in 'most' levers (and autoloaders). One other thing. since using a taper crimp die, I tend to think that unless you are loading full house loads that might require a heavy crimp, the crimp grooves are a moot issue. Sooo, all that said, I'll be in for a six banger, maybe two, when this all comes to pass. sundog

btw, I shot a BUNCH of the Lee 200 grainers this past Sunday in my steenkin' pissola and Rossi, taper crimped at the forward edge of the front band, over 6.5 Grn Dt, and they performed flawlessly.

[45 2.1]

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Version #3
1.585" O.A.L. with 0.300" nose to case
1.630" O.A.L. with secondary use for 444 Marlin
1.680" O.A.L.

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[felix]

Sundog, the Ly 429667 (?) has a nose which is slightly too long for the Ruger lever gun. You or Tony gave me some, but to be safe on the Lyman number, I could use a boolit to verify with. You should have my addy somewhere around your house. ... felix

[Willbird]

As long was we are talking a round/flat plain base 240-250 grains with a single grease groove that casts .433 or larger in WW I'm liking it more and more.

Bill

[felix]

Yes we are, Bill. ... felix

[felix]

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This is my contemplated 41 mag boolit for a Marlin 94. Probably not enough interest for a group buy, but I have to go with something to get a boolit that will fit this gun. ... felix

[Dutch4122]

If anybody is keeping a count I'd definately prefer version #3 :!:

Also, definately dropping .433 in from ww alloy.

[45 2.1]

Matt-
I spec'd it as .434" diameter. On the last several six cavities we've gotten, the diameters have come in at or less than spec'd dimensions from WW metal from LEE.

[Dutch4122]

Matt-
I spec'd it as .434" diameter. On the last several six cavities we've gotten, the diameters have come in at or less than spec'd dimensions from WW metal from LEE.

Great! Sounds like a real winner to me!

[45 2.1]

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This is the final version. The top crimp groove is for most of the 44 mag leverguns. The second crimp groove is for 444 Marlin rifles. The third is for seating out in 44 mag handguns. Is anybody interested enough to run this in its turn?

[Bass Ackward]

It will probably cast easier with one groove with a 55 degree angle. Just where to put the groove is probably immaterial, but near the base won't hurt a thing. I think it was BA who had a mold made with only a gas check shank enlongated for his only groove. Worked fine in a revolter. I'm not sure if he used it in a rifle. ... felix

Felix,

Correct. If you have a semiwadcutter design, because it scrapes the bore cleaner ahead of it, it requires more or better lube than an olgival. How much more is determined by how far up the bullet you can place it. For an olgival though, the bullet will even use the powder fouling from the last shot as lubrication. So you can use less lube. And the location of it on the bullet seems to be immaterial.

The bullet is a 225 grain olgival with only the GC groove for lube. I have now used this bullet accurately in three revolvers as well as my Browning 92 and my wifes 1894PG up to and over 2000 fps at 10 BHN without a trace of leading. Without a doubt, this is the most flexible and practical bullet design for 44 caliber I have ever used. (with a GC of coarse)

[felix]

BA, what is the length between the last base ring and the top of the check? How many tenths? Or, what was the shank length? Stepped style, or straight up? ... felix

[Bass Ackward]

BA, what is the length between the last base ring and the top of the check? How many tenths? Or, what was the shank length? Stepped style, or straight up? ... felix

Felix,

It's a straight shank of .150. That means that with a .70 check that well, I don't need to impress anyone with my math. It looks like a CAS bullet and was as long (heavy) of a bullet that I could make and still stabilize it in a 38" twist according to Dan's program. And so far, this weight shoots like a dream. Amazing what only 25 less grains of weight does for velocity and recoil.

Flat out, soft lubes don't stay in a wide , shallow groove real well if you are handling lubed bullets. So .... if I had to do it over again, I would go for a stepped shank and only make it .130 long. This would equate to the same amount of lube, but I would have more flexibility to use softer lubes which I prefer in colder weather when hunting.

[Willbird]

Yes I am interested enough in the final design to sign on, The finance committee approved it.

Bill

[Willbird]

I would highly suggest that this be moved over to group buy's, It takes me ten minutes each time to dig around and find this post.

Bill

[Willbird]

In fact I will Honcho this if we have enough interest, This is a great boolit that will cast big enough to fit a lot of revolvers where the only other option is a custom mold or to beagle. I'll take 2 myself if I have to to make this fly.


Bill

[sundog]

Yup, I will get one or two of these, too. Get a new thread started with a pic and where and how much to send. I bet you get enough takers. sundog

[Tom Myers]

I will go for one. Just let me know when and how much. Thanks.

Tom Myers