muzzle cover for Lee-Enfield?

[Allemark]

Anyone can help with the identification of this copper cap with a British stamp? I think that is to protect the muzzle for the Lee-Enfield rifle (Mk.I or № 4 Mk.I), but not sure - I can't find this cup on the photo or scheme... Inner diameter - 16.5 mm.
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Line in the image in mm.

Sorry for google-English and thanks for your help :)

[303Guy]

Welcome aboard, Allemark. So you're in Russia. That's interesting, I'm not aware of anyone else from your parts. Good to have you with us.

[Nickle]

Alex, on the swaging sub forum is from around there. Both of you seem like nice guys.

[Outpost75]

I have seen these in yellow brass, WW2 era, for the No.4 rifle. They may have been made in copper for the older Long Lee-Enfield, aka Lee Metford, which may gave been sent to Russia prior to your 1917 revolution The Short Magazine Lee Enfield has very little of the muzzle protruding from the nosecap, and I am not aware of a muzzle cap being made for it.

My condolences for the passing of your country's hero Kalashnikov. It was my great pleasure to meet him when he was a guest in our country. He was an honorable old soldier who loved his country and represented your great people with dignity and honor. We toasted together the war dead of the Allies who defeated Hitler's Germany.

The great peoples of Russia and America are more alike than we are dfferent.

Merry Christmas to you and Peace on earth. You are welcome here.

[Multigunner]

I have seen these in yellow brass, WW2 era, for the No.4 rifle. They may have been made in copper for the older Long Lee-Enfield, aka Lee Metford, which may gave been sent to Russia prior to your 1917 revolution The Short Magazine Lee Enfield has very little of the muzzle protruding from the nosecap, and I am not aware of a muzzle cap being made for it.




The SMLE had several designs of muzzle covers. None were caps like this for obvious reasons.
One I found very interesting was a hinged sheet metal flap affixed to the nose cap.
IIRC there were canvas or leather bucket like contraptions as well.

Never heard of a muzzle cap for a No.4. Seems logical that there would be something of the sort. If that's what this is its an interesting find.

[Allemark]

Thank you all responded,

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[Allemark]

I have seen these in yellow brass, WW2 era, for the No.4 rifle. They may have been made in copper for the older Long Lee-Enfield, aka Lee Metford, which may gave been sent to Russia prior to your 1917 revolution The Short Magazine Lee Enfield has very little of the muzzle protruding from the nosecap, and I am not aware of a muzzle cap being made for it.

My condolences for the passing of your country's hero Kalashnikov. It was my great pleasure to meet him when he was a guest in our country. He was an honorable old soldier who loved his country and represented your great people with dignity and honor. We toasted together the war dead of the Allies who defeated Hitler's Germany.

The great peoples of Russia and America are more alike than we are dfferent.

Merry Christmas to you and Peace on earth. You are welcome here.
Thanks for your help,

In the area of ​​the hero-city of Novorossiysk in the 20th century there were fights of the Civil War in 1918-20 and throughout the year there were fights with the Nazis and Romanians in 1942-43 ... So find weapons of imperial purchases abroad to World War I and weapons obtained through Lend-Lease ...

To remove the last doubts, please tell me where I can find the outer diameter of the muzzle of rifles Lee-Enfield number 4 and Lee-Metford?

Thanks you for your concern :)

[Allemark]

Oh, sorry, All a Merry Christmas!
In Russia celebrates Christmas on January 7 :)

[Dan Cash]

Allemark,
Welcome and Merry Christmas.
I will measure the muzzle of one of my #4 rifles as soon as I finish feeding cattle- about 4 hours from now- and let you know the diameter.
Dan

[Allemark]

Allemark,
Welcome and Merry Christmas.
I will measure the muzzle of one of my #4 rifles as soon as I finish feeding cattle- about 4 hours from now- and let you know the diameter.
Dan

Thanks Dan, it would be very helpful.
I found the schemes of Lee-Metford rifle, her muzzle cap has an another form for protecting the muzzle and open front sight at the same time...

[andy h]

The outer diameter of my 1944 no 4 is .595" or 15.1mm.

[Allemark]

Thanks Andy!
Now I have no version ... difference of 1.4 mm is too much for muzzle cap :(
Perhaps it is something else. Does anyone know which plant put the stamp number 8?

[BruceB]

Allemark, a very warm welcome to you!

When I was issued #4 Rifles in the Canadian Army, there were NO muzzle covers with the rifles, nor did I ever hear or see of such a beast during my service. (There was also no muzzle cover issued for the later FN FAL rifles in Canadian service, either.)

The #4 came with a pull-through, an oil bottle, and a webbing breech cover, which could be snapped-on to protect the entire action/magazine area of the rifle.

That was it....

I realize this item has the British Broad Arrow mark, but the Canadian Army tended to follow British examples rather slavishly in such matters, and I never did see anything resembling the cover in question.

How would it be held on?

[Allemark]

Thanks Bruce,
Version muzzle cap is not tenable.
Maybe it's a detonator cap for artillery shell or mine, I am looking for information which of them we have received in WWI and lend-lease. I have found very few objects with stamps, especially the British ...
If I correctly understood, the stigma put on all British military equipment, even in wartime. On the other hand, usually do not represent the crown on garbage, I guess :)

[john hayslip]

Allemark, Just reading an article on the Royal Armories. Perhaps they will answer your question.
www.royalarmouries.org.uk
or
nfcenquiries@armouries.org.uk
Note the extra "u" in the British spelling.

[Allemark]

John, thank you for the great link!
I apologize for the lack of spelling, I translate from Russian using Google and intuition. It is a pity that they fail me, I'll apologize more :)

[Nickle]

Allemark, you're doing just fine.

The spelling and translation might not be perfect, but it's actually better than what some people say anyways. And their native language is English already.

Interesting subject, by the way.

[Allemark]

Thank you all for your patience!
Happiness, health and good luck to all in the New Year!