Mosin Nagant scope

[Battis]

I'm looking at a Mosin Nagant, dated 1939, with a mounted scope. All matching numbers - scope, barrel, bolt. Is there any way to tell if the scope and mount are original?
Asking price - $275.00

[rondog]

Not a bad price IMO, but those scopes are reproduced. Does the scope look cherry? Or is it beat, scratched, etc. like an old original would be? Does the bolt have a bent handle? Should be a factory bent one, not mounted on with screws. A genuine Mosin sniper is valuable, but there's lots of fakes out there. Know any history about it?

IMO, for that price, if the rifle's nice and you like it, then negotiate! If it's a real one in good shape that's a score. Even the faked snipers sell for more than that.

[khmer6]

Pictures :cool:

[rondog]

If it's just a standard 91/30 with some scope and mount cobbled on, then that's way too much. Go to Google Images and look for photos of "Mosin Nagant sniper rifles". https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=webhp&tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=VBWhUt7TEdKCqQHh_IGIDQ&q=mosin+nagant+sniper+rifle&oq=mosin+nagant+sni&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.1.0l5.4674.11821.0.14965.17.8.0.9.9.1.572.197 5.0j3j4j5-1.8.0....0...1c.1.32.mobile-gws-hp..1.16.1823.fhAX92SQseU

There's also http://7.62x54r.net/ for great reference info.

[Battis]

I have the rifle on hold for a week - it's about 25 miles away. The salesman/manager told me the scope was original but he wasn't sure about the mount. Like I said, the numbers on the bolt match the rifle. It had an importer's name (in Vermont). I'm going back to get some pics and more info. I already have a Mosin Nagant but that scope is intriguing.

[olereb]

It might be CAI in VT that was the importer,IF it is a original Mosin Sniper with original matching parts then its a very good deal. Original snipers often sell for in the $600+ range

[gew98]

It might be CAI in VT that was the importer,IF it is a original Mosin Sniper with original matching parts then its a very good deal. Original snipers often sell for in the $600+ range

"Original" PE or PU mosin sniping rifles are quite a tad north of $600. Find an original of either...I'm not talking about the refurbished import or hacked up fakes , and it will cost you a fair penny. $275 buys you a bubba gun if the seller is saying it's "original" and calling it a sniper.

[gew98]

Also reminds me of the time some "hillbilly" told me of an awesome rare semiauto nazi sniper supershooter. Well it turned out to be a dogged and pimp refinished Hakim with one hell of a machinist's nightmare of a cobbled together scope & mount system abortioned to it. And the scope was a camo painted tasco no less.

[Gtek]

The base should be buzz penciled with serial number of rifle showing that it has been zeroed. This requires filing, grinding to achieve this. The reticle was centered in scope and mount tuned to zero elevation by screws and azimuth with grind. AND I have seen these faked! Scope and mount with cover (copy) is around two bills, a nice 91/30 is more than a buck now. Sporterized bolt body forty plus.How bad do you want one. Gtek

[Outpost75]

I have one of the Century put-together ersatz snipers built on a Tikka M39 with postwar PU scope and Russian mount of the same type they used on the PK machinegun. Mine has a new barrel and stock, forged bolt, arsenal reblue and a 1968 rebuild date. My rifle came with leather sling, two ammo pouches, cleaning kit, leather scope caps and a waxed canvas snow sleeve. The scope was properly zeroed with PPU 184-grain "D" ball, required no windage correction and shoots to zero in agreement with the elevation markings. I paid $450 for mine about a year ago. The HM2-.312-160-5 bullet from the recent group buy shoots 3" ten-shot groups at 200 yards off sandbags, sizing bullets. 312, in PPU cases with Remington 9-1/2 primers and 16 grs. of #2400.

[Battis]

I've done well at this store, mostly because they don't know what they have or they don't care. I recently bought a nice Schmidt Rubin 96/11 for $175. I'll go back with a lot more info, check it out really well, take some pics...like I said, I have a week to decide.

[reloader762]

I'm not an expert, but I have a lot of interest in Mosin Nagant rifles. A bunch of these have been imported recently (and are recent rebuilds AFAIK which originally were not scoped) and are even listed in a recent catalog I received from a distributor for nearly $500. A "real" example typically goes for more. IMO, if it speaks to you at that price, grab it!

[Battis]

I went back to the store and talked to a knowledgeable salesman. He said it was not an original scope or mount and he went into a lot of detail explaining the difference. Oh well...

[graphic914]

I have been looking for an original scoped Mosin for a while, gun shows are full of fakes

[webfoot10]

1939 91/30 is a cobbled together sniper repro. Even if the rifle is a repro, the bent bolt (if bent correctly) and the PU
scope and mount would cost more then the asking price of the rifle. For $275.00 I would buy it and part it out.
Try shooting it first thought, might surprise you.
webfoot10

[MtGun44]

Even if a repro scope, if mounted well and the bore is sharp with no substantial muzzle
cleaning wear, it is worth it, IMO. At least do a rough bore sighting check. Take out bolt
and set on blocks so you can see a "target" at 20 ft at least, more is better, and then
look thru the scope. It should be at least pretty close in elevation and pretty much dead
on left-right. If way off - beware. The internal adjustment in the scope is fairly small
and you may need to shim the mount, which is perfectly doable, but can be a PITA.

If it is original (matching numbers means original or some effort to fake) it is worth
much more, perhaps in the $1000-1500 range, depending on a lot of details.

Bill

[Dutchman]

Not an expert on Mosin-Nagant snipers..... however... I know that original PU scopes are not hard to find and are relatively reasonable price-wise. It's the mounts that are at issue. There are modern reproductions that are inexpensive and they look pretty much just like originals. But there are also some recent made fakes from Estonia that were/are passed off as original. The mount I have is a reproduction. The scope is genuine.

For a WW2 sniper the 1956 dated scope and plastic lens caps wouldn't do.

Mine:

http://images53.fotki.com/v1519/photos/4/28344/9895637/photo1-vi.jpg
http://images18.fotki.com/v60/photos/4/28344/9895637/photo1-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v209/photos/4/28344/9895637/photo3-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v195/photos/4/28344/9895637/photo-vi.jpg