ohland
12-04-2013, 02:37 PM
Scrounged up some descriptions for 225 / 226 / 228 diameter molds from a variety of sources. If some of you-all have better descriptions from Ideal or Lyman catalogs, please post to this thread with the correction or description of the boolit.
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. [ed]
v/r,
A fellow servant to the heavy metal :coffee:
22536 See 22636.
22537 See 22637
#22596 (PB, RN, 50 - TP is ?)
#225107 (GC, FN, 37 - TP is ?)
225209 See 226209
225230 Round nose plain base bullet. Excellent for light loads on pests. (PB, RN, 47 - TP is 438)
225322 A well designed plain base flat nose bullet. Front band and grooves a dirt scraper. Should be excellent on pests and squirrels. (PB, FN, 55 - TP is 415)
225353 Designed for .22 rim fire. Casts .223. (PB, FN, 43 - TP is 415)
225358 Designed for 22 calibers with wide bands for greater bearing. (PB, FN, 41 - TP is 415)
225372 A pointed bullet measuring .218 on the front band and .223 on rear band with wide lubricating groove. (PB, SP, 41 - TP is 450)
225415 Standard bullet for Neidner Baby Hi-Power, weight about 48 grs. Size to .225. Use hard alloy 1 to 10. Suggested charge 4.5 grains of Du Pont No. 80 powder. (PB/GC, FN, 48 - TP is 415)
225438 Designed by H. Guy Loverin especially for the .22 Hornet. It follows very closely the form of the .22 Long Rifle bullet. (GC, RN, 44 - TP is 438)
225450 Pointed gas check bullet proved popular with .22 calibers, also a good varmint when hollow pointed. (GC, SP, 48 TP is 450)
225462 Designed by H. Guy Loverin for the .222 Remington. Also very good for the .220 Swift. (GC, RN, 57 - TP is 438)
225487 Design similar to pointed 225450 only plain base. Good for light loads on pests. (PB, SP, 43 - TP is 450)
225646 (GC, RN, 55 - TP is 646)
.226 is the proper diameter of bullets for the .22-15-60 Stevens straight. These bullets may be used in any of the cartridges or arms using bullets of the .228 diameter as specified below, for these bullets are cast full and are to be sized.
22636. A fine variety of bullets, weights varying from 40 to 98 grains, with deep grooves, which are not so apt to lead the barrel. The shape of the point is standard. All of the bullets may be seated with regular tools that are correct for any .22 central fire cartridges. Can be sized to .226" or .228". Seat with as many bands out of case as permissible so bullet will fit well into throat of rifling. Designed by C. H. Herrick. (PB, FN, 40, 46, 54, 60, 69, 75, 84, 90, 98 - TP is 415) [image says ".22 S. S. Flat Point" ed.]
22637. A fine series of sharp pointed bullets, weights from 32 to 91 grains. They are clean and accurate shooters- and do not tear game. Size and seat as with 22636. Designed by C. H. Herrick. (PB, SP, 32, 39, 47, 53, 61, 68, 76, 83, 91 - TP is 450) [image says ".22 S. S. Sharp Point" ed.]
22638. Express bullets. It is astonishing how much more deadly a bullet is with a hollow point. We have fine reports of the work done with these bullets, one statement that a .22-15-60 Stevens straight rifle, with an express bullet of about 60 grains, is as good a killer as a .32-20. Select the weights from bullet No. 22636. Depth of hole may be varied according to length of bullet ordered. This bullet is fine for woodchucks and such game. Size and seat as with 22636. (PB, FN, HP, 40, 46, 54, 60, 69, 75, 84, 90, 98 - TP is 415)
226208 This bullet has an extremely short and flat point, and is designed for very light weight groove bullet. It is correct for the .22 calibre Center Fire Rifles. (PB, FN, 19, 26, 34, 41, 47, 53 - TP is 438)
226209 This bullet has an extremely short and round point, and is designed for very light weight groove bullet. It is correct for the .22 calibre Center Fire Rifles. (PB, RN, 18, 25, 33, 38, 44, 52 - TP is 438)
226322 For .22-15-60. (PB, FN, 55 - TP is ?)
.228 is the standard diameter of bullets for rifles using the following cartridges: .22-10-45; .22 Extra Long C. F. ; .22-13-45 W. ; .22-20 Hornet, etc.
22834. These bullets have the same shaped point as the factory .22-45 bullets. They have deep square cut grooves which will hold more lubrication than those of the factory bullets, thus preventing the leading of the barrel, which is so annoying and detrimental to accuracy in small bore rifles. They may be seated with the regular reloading tools for any of the above cartridges. (PB, FN, 48, 55, 63 - TP is 415)
22835. This series of bullets has proved to be very popular. The sharp point is preferred by many, as it does not tear small game. These bullets also have deep, square cut grooves. No. 3 Special tool will be made for any of the .22 Central Fire cartridges and these bullets. (PB, SP, 29, 36, 44, 51, 59, 67, 74, 81 - TP is 450)
228151. This is the standard factory bullet for .22-10-45, .22 Extra Long C.F., and .22-13-45 Winchester. Size to .228, and seat as with 22636. This bullet is called "22-45". The grooves are shallow and rounding, and it does not hold much lubrication. (PB, FN, 45 - TP is 415)
228367 Standard gas check bullet for .22 Savage H. P. cartridge. Gives plenty of range, accuracy, and killing power for all small and medium game, and does not wear out barrels. Use Ideal Bullet Metal No. 2 or 1 part Tin to 10 of Lead, and size to .228". Seat with only the two base bands in neck of case. Bullet weighs about 60 grains with gas check. (GC, SP, 59 - TP is 450)
228367-53 Same as 228367 except bevel base is cut off making bullet weight about 53 grains. Fine with light charges of powder for small game such as squirrels and grouse. (PB, FN, 53 - TP is 450)
228367-Tip Standard bullet for use in making .22 caliber soft point bullets. Tip is cast of soft lead, then inserted in bottom of either the 228367 or 228367-53 moulds, then bullet metal of desired consistency is poured into mould. The result is a perfect soft point bullet having a base or body of any desired degree of hardness.
228391 Designed to size .228 for the Savage High Power. (PB, FN, ? - TP is 415)
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. [ed]
v/r,
A fellow servant to the heavy metal :coffee:
22536 See 22636.
22537 See 22637
#22596 (PB, RN, 50 - TP is ?)
#225107 (GC, FN, 37 - TP is ?)
225209 See 226209
225230 Round nose plain base bullet. Excellent for light loads on pests. (PB, RN, 47 - TP is 438)
225322 A well designed plain base flat nose bullet. Front band and grooves a dirt scraper. Should be excellent on pests and squirrels. (PB, FN, 55 - TP is 415)
225353 Designed for .22 rim fire. Casts .223. (PB, FN, 43 - TP is 415)
225358 Designed for 22 calibers with wide bands for greater bearing. (PB, FN, 41 - TP is 415)
225372 A pointed bullet measuring .218 on the front band and .223 on rear band with wide lubricating groove. (PB, SP, 41 - TP is 450)
225415 Standard bullet for Neidner Baby Hi-Power, weight about 48 grs. Size to .225. Use hard alloy 1 to 10. Suggested charge 4.5 grains of Du Pont No. 80 powder. (PB/GC, FN, 48 - TP is 415)
225438 Designed by H. Guy Loverin especially for the .22 Hornet. It follows very closely the form of the .22 Long Rifle bullet. (GC, RN, 44 - TP is 438)
225450 Pointed gas check bullet proved popular with .22 calibers, also a good varmint when hollow pointed. (GC, SP, 48 TP is 450)
225462 Designed by H. Guy Loverin for the .222 Remington. Also very good for the .220 Swift. (GC, RN, 57 - TP is 438)
225487 Design similar to pointed 225450 only plain base. Good for light loads on pests. (PB, SP, 43 - TP is 450)
225646 (GC, RN, 55 - TP is 646)
.226 is the proper diameter of bullets for the .22-15-60 Stevens straight. These bullets may be used in any of the cartridges or arms using bullets of the .228 diameter as specified below, for these bullets are cast full and are to be sized.
22636. A fine variety of bullets, weights varying from 40 to 98 grains, with deep grooves, which are not so apt to lead the barrel. The shape of the point is standard. All of the bullets may be seated with regular tools that are correct for any .22 central fire cartridges. Can be sized to .226" or .228". Seat with as many bands out of case as permissible so bullet will fit well into throat of rifling. Designed by C. H. Herrick. (PB, FN, 40, 46, 54, 60, 69, 75, 84, 90, 98 - TP is 415) [image says ".22 S. S. Flat Point" ed.]
22637. A fine series of sharp pointed bullets, weights from 32 to 91 grains. They are clean and accurate shooters- and do not tear game. Size and seat as with 22636. Designed by C. H. Herrick. (PB, SP, 32, 39, 47, 53, 61, 68, 76, 83, 91 - TP is 450) [image says ".22 S. S. Sharp Point" ed.]
22638. Express bullets. It is astonishing how much more deadly a bullet is with a hollow point. We have fine reports of the work done with these bullets, one statement that a .22-15-60 Stevens straight rifle, with an express bullet of about 60 grains, is as good a killer as a .32-20. Select the weights from bullet No. 22636. Depth of hole may be varied according to length of bullet ordered. This bullet is fine for woodchucks and such game. Size and seat as with 22636. (PB, FN, HP, 40, 46, 54, 60, 69, 75, 84, 90, 98 - TP is 415)
226208 This bullet has an extremely short and flat point, and is designed for very light weight groove bullet. It is correct for the .22 calibre Center Fire Rifles. (PB, FN, 19, 26, 34, 41, 47, 53 - TP is 438)
226209 This bullet has an extremely short and round point, and is designed for very light weight groove bullet. It is correct for the .22 calibre Center Fire Rifles. (PB, RN, 18, 25, 33, 38, 44, 52 - TP is 438)
226322 For .22-15-60. (PB, FN, 55 - TP is ?)
.228 is the standard diameter of bullets for rifles using the following cartridges: .22-10-45; .22 Extra Long C. F. ; .22-13-45 W. ; .22-20 Hornet, etc.
22834. These bullets have the same shaped point as the factory .22-45 bullets. They have deep square cut grooves which will hold more lubrication than those of the factory bullets, thus preventing the leading of the barrel, which is so annoying and detrimental to accuracy in small bore rifles. They may be seated with the regular reloading tools for any of the above cartridges. (PB, FN, 48, 55, 63 - TP is 415)
22835. This series of bullets has proved to be very popular. The sharp point is preferred by many, as it does not tear small game. These bullets also have deep, square cut grooves. No. 3 Special tool will be made for any of the .22 Central Fire cartridges and these bullets. (PB, SP, 29, 36, 44, 51, 59, 67, 74, 81 - TP is 450)
228151. This is the standard factory bullet for .22-10-45, .22 Extra Long C.F., and .22-13-45 Winchester. Size to .228, and seat as with 22636. This bullet is called "22-45". The grooves are shallow and rounding, and it does not hold much lubrication. (PB, FN, 45 - TP is 415)
228367 Standard gas check bullet for .22 Savage H. P. cartridge. Gives plenty of range, accuracy, and killing power for all small and medium game, and does not wear out barrels. Use Ideal Bullet Metal No. 2 or 1 part Tin to 10 of Lead, and size to .228". Seat with only the two base bands in neck of case. Bullet weighs about 60 grains with gas check. (GC, SP, 59 - TP is 450)
228367-53 Same as 228367 except bevel base is cut off making bullet weight about 53 grains. Fine with light charges of powder for small game such as squirrels and grouse. (PB, FN, 53 - TP is 450)
228367-Tip Standard bullet for use in making .22 caliber soft point bullets. Tip is cast of soft lead, then inserted in bottom of either the 228367 or 228367-53 moulds, then bullet metal of desired consistency is poured into mould. The result is a perfect soft point bullet having a base or body of any desired degree of hardness.
228391 Designed to size .228 for the Savage High Power. (PB, FN, ? - TP is 415)