Slug moulds for a 16 gauge Deerslayer

[David LaPell]

I want to start casting slugs and eventually buck shot for my Ithaca 16 gauge Deerslayer, preferably in 1 ounce variety with the slugs. Which mould is good on a budget, I have heard a lot about Lee's mould, I know that drops slugs .681-.682. I have never loaded shotshells at all before so no experience here like I do with my revolver bullets. Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

[Wayne Smith]

David I have the Lyman hollow base mold. If you want some to experiment with PM me with your addy.

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello David LaPell, sadly there is no slug mold for the 16 gauge but you could try a Lee .600" RB in wad and do a push through test with the RB in different wads to see which one is a fiction fit in your barrel for accuracy and then start developing the loads for your gun. You want a RB wad combo that requires 6 to 10 lbs pressure to push through with cyl. bore!
Try Remington wads with a rib inside the petals and a smaller nitro card below RB, it just might be the cheapest way as the Lee RB mold with handles only cost $18 + change here:
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690975

Lyman has a .662 RB mold for $58.05 and some $36 for the handle for a full bore RB at $100
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000152645662
Since all my research and load development is strictly based on developing affordable hunting loads for our Elite Musketeer Brotherhood group of hunters, I would never recommend any load that requires my shooters to shell out a $100 just for the mold, no way.

Buck shot can be deadly:
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690028
You can buy a two cavity mold for just $18 from MidSouthShooters.

Now its high time you back yourself with some powder and newer hulls to cook your own or else you will pay instead of $4 to 5, it will be $5 to 6 per pop

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[longbow]

My suggestion for 16 ga. is to use a 0.662" round ball mould. You would have to mike or slug your bore to be sure but 0.662" is nomila 16 ga. ~ 16 balls per pound = 1 oz. each.

I have had very good results with both balls in shotcups and bore size balls in my 12 ga. No reason Ajay's suggestion of a round ball in shotcup or 0.662" ball won't work well.

The trick seems to be to use a solid platform under the ball. If you use a shotcup, you need one or two nitro card wads under the ball to prevent the shotcup from trying to wrap itself around the curved ball. this applies to shotcup sized balls or if you cut the petals of a cushion leg for bore size balls. You would use 20 ga. nitro card wads or maybe even smaller for shotcups and 16 ga. nitro card wads for full bore slug or ball.

Round balls are easy to cast and good loads should stay under 6" at 50 yards and more like under 4".

If you want a slug mould I think you will be going custom. I don't think anyone currently makes a 16 ga. slug mould. You may luck out with a used Lyman though I have not been impressed with teh 12 ga. Lyman Foster slug.

Also, I have been assuming this is smoothbore? If rifled, the 0.662" ball should still work well, balls in shotcups may or may not depending on fit. In fact if rifled, I would have Tom at Accurate Molds make a solid 16 ga. bullet. That would be your best bet for rifled gun.

Longbow

[6pt-sika]

I've not tried it yet , but it looks to me like 58 cal mini balls sit nicely inside the Remington SP16 wad . While they might not be quite tight enough you should be able to custom fit with Teflon tape . This may not be the best option but since I have all this stuff on hand I plan for it to be my first attempt at slugs in my 16 gauge side by's and drillings .

[6pt-sika]

Actually the 58 mini may be better in the Claybuster knockoff AA16 wad as the shot cup is a little shorter .

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings, I will be very great full if some of you could measure your 16 ga barrel ID without any choke along with OD just to check how strong the barrels are for future projects, can some one be generous to send me 6 to 10 different original wads, no imitation ones, please!

I will in return give you better educated tips with your help!
I don't mind paying for them tho!

6pt-sika, I would like it if you measure the wad with .58" slug in wad and give us the OD measurements and try the push through test and kindly report back with no nitro card in wad for this test, please!

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[Hogtamer]

These shoot GREAT @ 100 yds out of my old browning sweet sixteen, fixed choke modified. Semi homemade... http://www.ballisticproducts.com/16ga-DGS-16-Slug-25_pak/productinfo/0721616/

[6pt-sika]

can some one be generous to send me 6 to 10 different original wads, no imitation ones, please!

First off there aren't a great number of 16 gauge wads available .

Remington makes the SP-16 which is listed as a 1 1/4 ounce wad and one thats worked nicely for me with buckshot . Remington used to make a R-16 wad that was pretty decent wad but thats not been made in about 15 years . Same can be said for the Winchester AA-16 that ones not been made for atleast 15 years , however Claybuster makes a very nice copy of the AA-16 . The AA-16 ia more of a 1 ounce wad so actually should be better for my needs with a mini ball .
DownRange makes a pretty decent 16 gauge wad that they call a 7/8 ounce wad . A friend used to use these and he had good luck with them . I shot some of his loads at skeet and they did alright I just never saw the need for a shot charge that small .

Now Precision , Gamaliel and I'm sure BPI sell some for the 16 that are not what I would call mainstream . International Supersonic 1 ounce , Gualandi 1 and 1 1/16 ouncers . I'm not overjoyed about messing with these last three . Or the DownRange wad for that matter .

So realistically there are three semi readily available games in town the SP-16 , the CB AA-16 and the DR wad . I'm eliminating the DR wad just because it doesn't move me .

Having shot a rather large number of the original Win AA-16 and the CB version of the same thing I see no reason to dismiss it because it's not the original and the fact is you are very lucky to find any of the originals anylonger and if you do they won't be reasonable in price . To be honest I wish I had a couple cases of the 4 or 5 cases I shot up in the past !

The Remington SP-16 is relatively easy to get and to date has performed well for me with birdshot in 1 1/8 to 1 1/4 ounce loads as well as buckshot .

[6pt-sika]

These shoot GREAT @ 100 yds out of my old browning sweet sixteen, fixed choke modified. Semi homemade... http://www.ballisticproducts.com/16ga-DGS-16-Slug-25_pak/productinfo/0721616/


Glad to hear that !

I however try to do buisness with those folks as little as possible . I have never ordered from them that there wasn't some sort of hitch and it was always caused by them !
Several times I've ordered and was told in stock be out in 2 days . An invariably I had not seen the ordered item in 10 buisness days . And invariably I call and ask whats up and they say outta stock etc etc . Don't tell me you have it when I order and then not say a GD word until I call back two weeks later !

[Hogtamer]

6pt, you gave me an idea and I went to the shop to check. The .58 caliber round balls do not fit the SP 16. The wads have ridges on the inside of the cup that makes it spread when you push the ball down. I bet there is a wad out there that would be perfect though, one where the petals are not so thick....maybe the trap commanders that AJ likes..... A 16 ga 2-ball? Mmmmm....

[6pt-sika]

6pt, you gave me an idea and I went to the shop to check. The .58 caliber round balls do not fit the SP 16. The wads have ridges on the inside of the cup that makes it spread when you push the ball down. I bet there is a wad out there that would be perfect though, one where the petals are not so thick....maybe the trap commanders that AJ likes..... A 16 ga 2-ball? Mmmmm....

Next time you go to your friendly Gun/reloading supply shop get you a bog of the Claybuster AA-16's . 500 of those is like $15 retail I think . I have a feeling that one will work a touch better then the SP16 .

[6pt-sika]

FWIW I've shot REM , WIN and FEDERAL factory 16 gauge slug loads in one of my drillings , a AH Fox A and my Kettner SxS and all three did okay for my needs out to say 30 yards . The Kerner drilling showed a desire for buck in the right barrel and slugs in the left barrel IE the buck pattern in the right barrel was awesome while in the right not so much . The left barrel was dead on POI at 25 yards with a slug and not so much with the right barrel .

I have a Kettner hammer drilling that I've not tried any of the factory slug loads . This guns old enough that I don't deem that practice very wise . It does however do nicely with my lower pressure #1 Buck handloads . So perhaps it might be okay with a lower pressure slug load using the 58 cal mini ball or roundball .

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello HogTamer, how about if you put one .125-28 ga nitro card and then put the .58 cal bullet or RB and see if it fits better or with perhaps two nitro card below just to check for fit in 16 ga barrel!

Never know if we don't try, do it Brother!

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[Hogtamer]

The ribs are so thick that a 28 ga card will not fit. The wad itself is a good snug fit in the modified barrel, and after I insert it fully the ball fits snugly in the wad. (The ribs don't quite come all the way to the top of the shotcup). So I think it would work with the right straight wall wad petals of the right thickness. One ball would be an awfully light 16 ga load though ~ 5/8 oz. anybody have commander wads in 16 ga to try?