ohland
12-03-2013, 08:50 PM
Scrounged up some descriptions for .319 diameter molds from a variety of sources. If some of you-all have better descriptions from Ideal or Lyman catalogs, please post to this thread with the correction or description of the boolit.
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. :coffeecom
.319 is the proper diameter of bullets for all arms using the well-known and peculiar cartridge .32-40 Marlin, which was first originated by the Marlin Fire Arms Co. and adopted by the Winchester, Remington, Colt's, Stevens, and others. 'There are also other cartridges known as .32-40 Remington (.308) and .32-40 Ballard (.311), but they require different diameter of bullets. The cartridge using the .319 bullet should always be designated as .32-40 M. and W., whatever rifle is made to use them. This will obviate many mistakes.
31944. This is the regular standard .32-40-165 bullet, and has an excellent reputation. (PB, FN, 165 - TP is ?)
31945. Express bullet. This is the same shape as the standard, so it will seat properly with the regular reloading tool. It increases the killing power of the rifle greatly for deer, bear, etc. (PB, FN, HP, 150 - TP is ?)
31946. This bullet has one very wide groove for lubrication with two strong bands. It is claimed that this bullet shoots well, does not strip or jump the rifling at higher velocities, consequently does not lead the barrel. The shape is standard and correct for the regular reloading tools. (PB, FN, 165 - TP is ?)
31947. Here is a fine series of bullets. They are standard shape at the point. Short or long range. All seated with the regular tools. (PB, FN, 105, 120, 135, 150, 165, 180, 195, 210 Also Perfection - TP is 295)
31948. These bullets weigh 80, 120 and 155 grains. Reports of them are excellent, particularly of the two lighter ones for short range. Double adjustable chamber required to seat these and round ball. (PB, RN, 80, 120, 155 - TP is 470)
31949. Here is a popular series of bullets from very light weight to very heavy, having sharp points. They are reported accurate fliers. Light weights are extra fine for small game; they do not tear or mangle. These bullets require special chambers to seat them. (PB, SP, 82, 99, 117, 134, 152, 171, 188, 208 - TP is 467)
31950. This is the factory .32-40-98 M. short range. Tool for regular cartridge will not seat it. No. 3 special tool only, made for it. (PB, FN, 98 - TP is 295) [might also be 105 gr. ed.]
31951. Round ball for extra short range, very light charge of powder. Too much powder will cause them to jump the rifling. (49)
31952. This series of bullets is known as the .32-40 short point. They have become very popular. For different purposes all of the weights have friends. No. 3 special tool only made to load them.
(PB, FN, 75, 100, 125, 150, 175, 200, 225 Also perfection - TP is 295)
31953. This bullet was made for Col. Pickett, the well-known grizzly bear killer. It is for patching with paper. The mould has extra long bearing for core-peg. (PB, PP, HP, 205 - TP is ?)
31954. This bullet, from Cylindrical adjustable mould, is cast smooth for paper patching. Mould will cast bullets of varying lengths, with flat, round, or Leopold point.
319162. This is a bullet that has won a place in the hearts of the users of the 32-40 rifles, using shell full of FFg powder and seating bullet in the barrel. (PB, FN, 185 - TP is 295)
319201 These bullets are intended especially for fine target shooting. The points are one band shorter than the standard and are usually set in the barrel with bullet seater. They will, however, seat in the regular chambers of the .32-40 tools, crimping in the forward groove; best results, however, are obtained when shells are uncrimped. No. 3 tool is recommended. (PB, FN, 86, 101, 116, 131, 146, 184 Also Perfection - TP is 295)
319247 This is the standard bullet designed for the .32-40. Should be crimped in forward groove. (PB, FN, 165 - TP is 295)
319261 This is the same as 319247 only designed ain hollow point to give greater killing power. (PB, FN, HP, 150 - TP is 295)
319273 Designed by Dr. W. C. Hudson to be seated in barrel just ahead of the shell on the .32-40. The breech of the barrel must be specially reamed to take this bullet. Bottom two bands are .323 dia, top three bands are .316 dia. (PB, FN, 185 - TP is 295)
319289 The three front bands fit the base of the .32-40 snugly. This bullet is designed for shooters who have rechambered their gun for 319273. (PB, FN, 185 - TP is 295)
319295 Designed for .32-40 high power rifles. Excellent for hunting with greater velocities than most other bullets. Tip molds for the 319295 were available. (GC, FN, 174 - TP is 295)
319323 Designed for 200 yard shooting in the .32-40 by W. H. French. (PB, SP, 181 - TP is 467)
319350 Plain base bullet designed for .32 Special. (PB, FN, 195 - TP is 295)
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. :coffeecom
.319 is the proper diameter of bullets for all arms using the well-known and peculiar cartridge .32-40 Marlin, which was first originated by the Marlin Fire Arms Co. and adopted by the Winchester, Remington, Colt's, Stevens, and others. 'There are also other cartridges known as .32-40 Remington (.308) and .32-40 Ballard (.311), but they require different diameter of bullets. The cartridge using the .319 bullet should always be designated as .32-40 M. and W., whatever rifle is made to use them. This will obviate many mistakes.
31944. This is the regular standard .32-40-165 bullet, and has an excellent reputation. (PB, FN, 165 - TP is ?)
31945. Express bullet. This is the same shape as the standard, so it will seat properly with the regular reloading tool. It increases the killing power of the rifle greatly for deer, bear, etc. (PB, FN, HP, 150 - TP is ?)
31946. This bullet has one very wide groove for lubrication with two strong bands. It is claimed that this bullet shoots well, does not strip or jump the rifling at higher velocities, consequently does not lead the barrel. The shape is standard and correct for the regular reloading tools. (PB, FN, 165 - TP is ?)
31947. Here is a fine series of bullets. They are standard shape at the point. Short or long range. All seated with the regular tools. (PB, FN, 105, 120, 135, 150, 165, 180, 195, 210 Also Perfection - TP is 295)
31948. These bullets weigh 80, 120 and 155 grains. Reports of them are excellent, particularly of the two lighter ones for short range. Double adjustable chamber required to seat these and round ball. (PB, RN, 80, 120, 155 - TP is 470)
31949. Here is a popular series of bullets from very light weight to very heavy, having sharp points. They are reported accurate fliers. Light weights are extra fine for small game; they do not tear or mangle. These bullets require special chambers to seat them. (PB, SP, 82, 99, 117, 134, 152, 171, 188, 208 - TP is 467)
31950. This is the factory .32-40-98 M. short range. Tool for regular cartridge will not seat it. No. 3 special tool only, made for it. (PB, FN, 98 - TP is 295) [might also be 105 gr. ed.]
31951. Round ball for extra short range, very light charge of powder. Too much powder will cause them to jump the rifling. (49)
31952. This series of bullets is known as the .32-40 short point. They have become very popular. For different purposes all of the weights have friends. No. 3 special tool only made to load them.
(PB, FN, 75, 100, 125, 150, 175, 200, 225 Also perfection - TP is 295)
31953. This bullet was made for Col. Pickett, the well-known grizzly bear killer. It is for patching with paper. The mould has extra long bearing for core-peg. (PB, PP, HP, 205 - TP is ?)
31954. This bullet, from Cylindrical adjustable mould, is cast smooth for paper patching. Mould will cast bullets of varying lengths, with flat, round, or Leopold point.
319162. This is a bullet that has won a place in the hearts of the users of the 32-40 rifles, using shell full of FFg powder and seating bullet in the barrel. (PB, FN, 185 - TP is 295)
319201 These bullets are intended especially for fine target shooting. The points are one band shorter than the standard and are usually set in the barrel with bullet seater. They will, however, seat in the regular chambers of the .32-40 tools, crimping in the forward groove; best results, however, are obtained when shells are uncrimped. No. 3 tool is recommended. (PB, FN, 86, 101, 116, 131, 146, 184 Also Perfection - TP is 295)
319247 This is the standard bullet designed for the .32-40. Should be crimped in forward groove. (PB, FN, 165 - TP is 295)
319261 This is the same as 319247 only designed ain hollow point to give greater killing power. (PB, FN, HP, 150 - TP is 295)
319273 Designed by Dr. W. C. Hudson to be seated in barrel just ahead of the shell on the .32-40. The breech of the barrel must be specially reamed to take this bullet. Bottom two bands are .323 dia, top three bands are .316 dia. (PB, FN, 185 - TP is 295)
319289 The three front bands fit the base of the .32-40 snugly. This bullet is designed for shooters who have rechambered their gun for 319273. (PB, FN, 185 - TP is 295)
319295 Designed for .32-40 high power rifles. Excellent for hunting with greater velocities than most other bullets. Tip molds for the 319295 were available. (GC, FN, 174 - TP is 295)
319323 Designed for 200 yard shooting in the .32-40 by W. H. French. (PB, SP, 181 - TP is 467)
319350 Plain base bullet designed for .32 Special. (PB, FN, 195 - TP is 295)