ohland
11-22-2013, 11:08 AM
Scrounged up some descriptions for .429 diameter molds from a variety of sources. If some of you-all have better descriptions from Ideal or Lyman catalogs, please post to this thread with the correction or description of the boolit.
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. [ed]
v/r,
A fellow servant to the heavy metal :coffee:
429104. This is the lightest short range groove bullet made of this diameter. To seat it properly, the No. 3 special tool with double adjustable chamber is required. (HB, 110 - TP is 251)
429105. This bullet is same as 429104, except that it has round point and flat base, making it a trifle heavier. It requires the same tool as above to seat it. (PB, 130 - TP is 251)
429106. This bullet is lighter in weight than the regular factory bullet, and is preferred by many on that account. Requires No. 3 special tool with double adjustable chamber. (PB, 175 - TP is 251)
429107. This bullet is the same as 429106, but lightened by having flat point and hollow base, which is preferred by some. Requires the same tool as above to seat it. (HB, 160 - TP is ?)
429108. Round ball. This is used for short range or gallery practice. Requires same tool as the others above. (116)
429184. Is the regular .44 S. & W. Russian bullet, 256 grains. (PB, 256 - TP is 251)
429185 / 430185. This is the old model .44 Colt's pointed bullet. It is a heel ball and is for outside lubrications. The larger or forward part that fits the barrel is .446 in diameter. .430 is the size for the shell. [.441 and .430? ed.]
429215 Good bullet for medium charges in the .44 S&W Russian and Colt's New Service revolvers. Anderton made a world's record with the 429215 (PB and GC, 205 - TP is 421)
429220 Designed by A. L. A. Himmelwright to cut clean holes with .44 S&W Russian or Colt New Service revolver. Very accurate up to 50 yards. Good bullet for medium charges in the .44 S&W Russian and Colt's New Service revolvers. (PB, 175 - TP is 220)
429239 This bullet was designed by C. H. Herrick for short range in the .44 S&W Russian or Colt New Service. [Collar button bullet. ed] 251
429244 Designed by Ray Thompson (GC, ? - TP is 421)
429251 Standard for .44 S&W Russian with 4.5 grains of Bullseye. (PB, ? - TP is 251)
429303 Hi-Velo-Pen by Carl F. Hudson. (GC, 205 - TP is 303)
429336 Designed by C. E. Heath of Boston Revolver Club. Cuts clean hole with 4 grains of Bullseye. (PB, ? - TP is 421)
429348 Square nose bullet for .44 S&W Russian or .44 Spec. Very true and accurate up to 200 yards. [200? ed.] (PB, ? - TP is 348)
429352 Square nose bullet designed by M. L. Holman of St. Louis for .44 Russian and .44 Special. (PB, ? - TP is 348)
429360 Designed by Boser for the .44 Special. (PB, ? - TP is 360)
429383 Designed by Harry D. Frisbee, New York, for the .44 Special with 4 to 5 grains of Bullseye. (PB, ? - TP is 251)
429384 Round nose with crimping groove and casts large for .44 (.436). (PB, ? - TP is 251)
429398 A hollow base wad cutter for the .44 Special. (HB, ? - TP is 98)
429421 Designed by Elmer Keith - extremely accurate and popular in both the .44 Spec. and .44 Mag. (PB, ? - TP is 421)
429422 Same as 429421 except for hollow base. Gives flatter trajectory. (HB, ? - TP is 421)
429434 Gas check bullet designed for the .44-40 rifle. Makes an excellent short range game load. (GC, ? - TP is 98)
429436 Blunt nose bullet for .44 caliber with crimping groove far forward and large lubricating groove. (PB, ? - TP is 251)
429478 A heavier conical bullet designed for the .44 calibers. (PB, ? - TP is 251)
NOTE: [Lyman HCB, '57 lists 3 weights for 429 Prot-X-Bore bullets- 158, 170, and 220. ed.]
429507 Harvey Prot-X-Bore Zinc Base bullet. Shot as cast. (zinc washer, 220)
429508 Harvey Prot-X-Bore Zinc Base bullet Shot as cast. (zinc washer, 220)
429509 Harvey Prot-X-Bore Zinc Base bullet Shot as cast. (zinc washer, 170)
429510 - 190 gr. SWC Core
429513 - 150 gr. SWC Core
429518 - Harvey Prot-X-Bore Zinc Base bullet Shot as cast. 245 gr. SWC Z
429625 – 232gr. SWC Composite
429640 - 250 gr. FN HP GC
429649 - 325 gr. FN GC 535
429650 - 300 gr. SWC GC
429667 - 240 gr. FN
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. [ed]
v/r,
A fellow servant to the heavy metal :coffee:
429104. This is the lightest short range groove bullet made of this diameter. To seat it properly, the No. 3 special tool with double adjustable chamber is required. (HB, 110 - TP is 251)
429105. This bullet is same as 429104, except that it has round point and flat base, making it a trifle heavier. It requires the same tool as above to seat it. (PB, 130 - TP is 251)
429106. This bullet is lighter in weight than the regular factory bullet, and is preferred by many on that account. Requires No. 3 special tool with double adjustable chamber. (PB, 175 - TP is 251)
429107. This bullet is the same as 429106, but lightened by having flat point and hollow base, which is preferred by some. Requires the same tool as above to seat it. (HB, 160 - TP is ?)
429108. Round ball. This is used for short range or gallery practice. Requires same tool as the others above. (116)
429184. Is the regular .44 S. & W. Russian bullet, 256 grains. (PB, 256 - TP is 251)
429185 / 430185. This is the old model .44 Colt's pointed bullet. It is a heel ball and is for outside lubrications. The larger or forward part that fits the barrel is .446 in diameter. .430 is the size for the shell. [.441 and .430? ed.]
429215 Good bullet for medium charges in the .44 S&W Russian and Colt's New Service revolvers. Anderton made a world's record with the 429215 (PB and GC, 205 - TP is 421)
429220 Designed by A. L. A. Himmelwright to cut clean holes with .44 S&W Russian or Colt New Service revolver. Very accurate up to 50 yards. Good bullet for medium charges in the .44 S&W Russian and Colt's New Service revolvers. (PB, 175 - TP is 220)
429239 This bullet was designed by C. H. Herrick for short range in the .44 S&W Russian or Colt New Service. [Collar button bullet. ed] 251
429244 Designed by Ray Thompson (GC, ? - TP is 421)
429251 Standard for .44 S&W Russian with 4.5 grains of Bullseye. (PB, ? - TP is 251)
429303 Hi-Velo-Pen by Carl F. Hudson. (GC, 205 - TP is 303)
429336 Designed by C. E. Heath of Boston Revolver Club. Cuts clean hole with 4 grains of Bullseye. (PB, ? - TP is 421)
429348 Square nose bullet for .44 S&W Russian or .44 Spec. Very true and accurate up to 200 yards. [200? ed.] (PB, ? - TP is 348)
429352 Square nose bullet designed by M. L. Holman of St. Louis for .44 Russian and .44 Special. (PB, ? - TP is 348)
429360 Designed by Boser for the .44 Special. (PB, ? - TP is 360)
429383 Designed by Harry D. Frisbee, New York, for the .44 Special with 4 to 5 grains of Bullseye. (PB, ? - TP is 251)
429384 Round nose with crimping groove and casts large for .44 (.436). (PB, ? - TP is 251)
429398 A hollow base wad cutter for the .44 Special. (HB, ? - TP is 98)
429421 Designed by Elmer Keith - extremely accurate and popular in both the .44 Spec. and .44 Mag. (PB, ? - TP is 421)
429422 Same as 429421 except for hollow base. Gives flatter trajectory. (HB, ? - TP is 421)
429434 Gas check bullet designed for the .44-40 rifle. Makes an excellent short range game load. (GC, ? - TP is 98)
429436 Blunt nose bullet for .44 caliber with crimping groove far forward and large lubricating groove. (PB, ? - TP is 251)
429478 A heavier conical bullet designed for the .44 calibers. (PB, ? - TP is 251)
NOTE: [Lyman HCB, '57 lists 3 weights for 429 Prot-X-Bore bullets- 158, 170, and 220. ed.]
429507 Harvey Prot-X-Bore Zinc Base bullet. Shot as cast. (zinc washer, 220)
429508 Harvey Prot-X-Bore Zinc Base bullet Shot as cast. (zinc washer, 220)
429509 Harvey Prot-X-Bore Zinc Base bullet Shot as cast. (zinc washer, 170)
429510 - 190 gr. SWC Core
429513 - 150 gr. SWC Core
429518 - Harvey Prot-X-Bore Zinc Base bullet Shot as cast. 245 gr. SWC Z
429625 – 232gr. SWC Composite
429640 - 250 gr. FN HP GC
429649 - 325 gr. FN GC 535
429650 - 300 gr. SWC GC
429667 - 240 gr. FN