9MM Help

[LAH]

Have a new to me CZ75. Casting a Redding/Saeco #928 @ 147 grains. I need a starting load with Red Dot or HP38 & the OAL. Thanks guys.

Bullet
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[Bzcraig]

I looked at Lyman's 4th, Lee and Hornady and couldn't find anything using HP38, Win231, or Red Dot.

[LAH]

My choices are probably too fast.

[Jailer]

I run 3gr of Titegroup with a MP 140gr 9mm boolit and it's a very light plinker load.

I'd start at 3gr with any of the powders you listed and work up from there. Seat the boolit just deep enough so it will pass the "plunk" test in your barrel.

[MtGun44]

How about looking at Alliant or Hodgdon's web sites? Lots of good info
there, or in your reloading manuals. I'm kinda leery of anyone asking
for loading data here with the implication that they either don't know about
the powder maker sites or don't have multiple loading manuals.

What if I told you that 8 gr of Accupowder #33 would be the perfect
load? And what if this blew up your gun?

Bill

[9.3X62AL]

FWIW.......and there are a number of varying elements at play here.......I used 4.1 grains of WW-231 to duplicate the 9mm Sub-sonic Winchester carry load my old agency authorizes, along with bulk 147 grain Winchester JHP bullets. OAL from my notes was 1.130". Velocity was 935-950 FPS in my SIG P-226, and function was reliable--though not especially vigorous.

Again, FWIW......I far prefer 120-125 grain TC castings for 9mm cast boolit reloading.

[hunter74]

I use 3.4 gr HP-38 for my 9mm target load with the 140 gr Mihec. I't an accurate mild load. COL in my gun is short to get it to feed properly 1.122"". I have also used 3.5 gr of Universal with great luck. Gives about a PF of 136 out of my 6"" target gun.

[LAH]

How about looking at Alliant or Hodgdon's web sites? Lots of good info
there, or in your reloading manuals. I'm kinda leery of anyone asking
for loading data here with the implication that they either don't know about
the powder maker sites or don't have multiple loading manuals.

What if I told you that 8 gr of Accupowder #33 would be the perfect
load? And what if this blew up your gun?

Bill

No lead data here: http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/RecipeList.aspx?gtypeid=1

Hodgden list one load for 147 lead with WSF.

I have several manuals, no one listing the Redding/Saeco #928 I asked about.

If you told me that 8 gr of Accupowder #33 would be the perfect load.......under my breath I'd call you an idiot & go on to the next post.

This is a cast bullet board so I asked advice for a cast bullet thinking someone here just might cast this bullet & use it in a 9MM handgun.

[MattOrgan]

LAH,

You can safely use data for a 147gr jacketed bullet with your 147 gr cast. Start with the starting load and see if that reliably cycles your CZ. Work up by 1/10 at a time if it doesn't. OAL should be the longest that feeds through your pistol. My load with the 147 is 4.0 grains of 231/HP38 for my Glock 17, but again I wouldn't start there. 147 grain bullets in the 9 mm doesn't thrill me. This load was developed for the Navy for suppressed handguns and SMG. Pressure builds suddenly, make sure your taper crimp is firm, pushing a bullet back into the case will really raise pressures too. Good luck.

[bobthenailer]

Although not the #928 i have the Saeco 929 145gr swc the COL for it in my 3, 9mms is 1.150.
I also have the #384 122gr rn the col in my guns is also 1.150.

I have no personal loads with red dot or HP38/ 231 powder.

But here's one from handloader mag oct/nov 2008 using the saeco #910 151gr rn COL 1.160. 3.5 gr 231/ HP38 @874 fps ,there most accurate load from there guns was 3.0 gr of bullseye @867 fps with that bullet.

I orgionaly I bought the #929 for the 38 super and sometimes use it in 9mm but for the 9mm i prefer to use the#377 122 tc as its more accurate than the # 384 122 gr rn and save the the 929 for the super. which is my most accurate cast bullet.

[HNSB]

With a 124 gr. boolit I use Red Dot. I think the Lyman cast book has some cast loads with Red Dot. It's either Lyman Cast Handbook or the data section in Lee's Modern Reloading.

[jmort]

There is a lot of 9mm cast boolit data out there, but not for your powders. I use Unique and Blue Dot.

[Bohica793]

For the RCBS version of the 147 gr, I use 3.6 grains W231 (same as HP-38) OAL 1.058 @ 935fps.

[MtGun44]

Jacketed data is a fine starting point. Not exactly correct, but if you start low and
work up it always is fine.

It is very hard to tell from a post like the OP whether the person is looking for some
tested loads the have shown accuracy or whether the OP has no books and no clue
and just wants to be spoon fed. It is a bit scary to wonder if the person is able
to distinguish between good info and dangerous info. Much of this is the nature of
the medium. The question is how would you know that 8 gr of Accupowder #33 isn't
a great, safe load? I guarantee it isn't in your manuals. Have you been to Accupowder's
web site to check?

It would help a bit to say something, like "I've checked my Lyman and Hodgdon
books and can't find data for a XXX weight lead boolit in them, does anyone know
of a good source for me to look up loads for YYY or ZZZ powder with that weight?"
Gives the idea that you have some references and are willing to do some searching
and cross referencing be sure the data is safe.

Bill

[HNSB]

Ok. I was sort of right and sort of wrong...

The 3rd Ed. of the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook does give load data for 9mm and red dot. It's what I based my 9mm loads on.
Unfortunately, the heaviest boolit they have data for is 121 grains.

Lee has data for Red Dot in a few loads w/ 125gr bullets or less. The only load data for Red Dot above that weight in 9mm is for 147gr. XTP.
The 147gr. XTP it shows 3.2 to max 3.4gr @ 895 fps (32400 psi).

[LAH]

You guys have been very helpful. These little cases worry me because it's so easy to change the powder space. My Lyman 45th shows the 9mm loaded with the 358311 [158RN] & list 3 grains of Red Dot or Bullseye as a starting load. Also found a few loads on Steve's Page. Probably start with 3 grains & see what happens.

And to those who sent PM's........thanks for taking the time, you're on my good guy list.

[JeffG]

When I called Alliant and told them what I was shooting, they sent me a chart of loads for 9mm, lead and jacketed. For the 147 gr lead, they provided the following:

Bullseye - start 2.8 gr max 3.3 gr
Green Dot - start 3 gr max 3.4 gr
Unique - start 3.2 gr max 3.6 gr
Power Pistol - start 4 gr max 4.5 gr

[LAH]

When I called Alliant and told them what I was shooting, they sent me a chart of loads for 9mm, lead and jacketed. For the 147 gr lead, they provided the following:

Bullseye - start 2.8 gr max 3.3 gr
Green Dot - start 3 gr max 3.4 gr
Unique - start 3.2 gr max 3.6 gr
Power Pistol - start 4 gr max 4.5 gr

Thanks Jeff, here's a page from my manual for the NINE loaded with the Lyman 358311
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