ohland
11-21-2013, 07:19 PM
Scrounged up some descriptions for .451 diameter molds from a variety of sources. If some of you-all have better descriptions from Ideal or Lyman catalogs, please post to this thread with the correction or description of the boolit.
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. [ed]
v/r,
A fellow servant to the heavy metal :coffeecom
.451 is the standard size of bullets for the original .45 caliber Sharp rifles. There were many rifles, however, made by the Sharp Company toward the last of their existence, that were bored, rifled and chambered for the .45-70 U. S. Government cartridge, which requires a ball .457 in diameter. This mix up has
caused much trouble among owners of these valuable rifles. It is generally safe for those whose rifles will chamber the regular .45-70 Government cartridges correctly to conclude that the proper size ball for such rifle is the .457 Government and not the .451 Sharp. The long range Remington and Ballard rifles also use the standard Sharp shells (and bullets), which are designated as follows: .45-75 Sharp's; .45 S., 2 1-10"; .45 S., 2 4-10"; 45 S., .2 6-10"; .45 S., 2 7-8; and .45 S.,3 1-4". 2 1-10 inches is also the standard length of the .45-70 Government shell.
451112. These bullets are the same shape as the .45 caliber Winchester. There are some fine light and heavy weights in this series. (PB, 275, 325, 380, 430, 485, Also Perfection - TP is ?)
451113. These bullets are similar in shape to the .45-70 Govt. No. 3 special tool only made to seat them. (PB, 305, 365, 405 - TP is 187)
451114. This is one of the old original Sharp's grooved bullets; it is called the old reliable. No. 3 special tool only. (PB, 450 - TP is 421)
451115. This is the famous Col. Pickett's .45-325 patched, express bullet. No. 3 special tool only. (PB, 325 - TP is ?)
451116. This is the same in shape as the 451115. It is solid and has a hollow base. No. 3 special tool only. (HB, ? - TP is ?)
451117. Express bullet, shaped after the .45-70 Govt. No. 3 special tool only. (PB, 335 HP - TP is ?)
451118. Round ball, for short range or practice work. No. 3 tool with double
adjustable chamber required. (?)
451119. This is a very popular series of bullets, and excellent for large game. No. 3 special tool only. (PB, 235, 270, 315, 360, 405, 450, 495, Also Perfection - TP is ?)
451120. This is an illustration of a bullet from Cylindrical adjustable mould. The bullet is cast smooth for paper patching. Mould will cast bullets of varying lengths, with flat, round or Leopold point. (PB, ? - TP is ?)
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. [ed]
v/r,
A fellow servant to the heavy metal :coffeecom
.451 is the standard size of bullets for the original .45 caliber Sharp rifles. There were many rifles, however, made by the Sharp Company toward the last of their existence, that were bored, rifled and chambered for the .45-70 U. S. Government cartridge, which requires a ball .457 in diameter. This mix up has
caused much trouble among owners of these valuable rifles. It is generally safe for those whose rifles will chamber the regular .45-70 Government cartridges correctly to conclude that the proper size ball for such rifle is the .457 Government and not the .451 Sharp. The long range Remington and Ballard rifles also use the standard Sharp shells (and bullets), which are designated as follows: .45-75 Sharp's; .45 S., 2 1-10"; .45 S., 2 4-10"; 45 S., .2 6-10"; .45 S., 2 7-8; and .45 S.,3 1-4". 2 1-10 inches is also the standard length of the .45-70 Government shell.
451112. These bullets are the same shape as the .45 caliber Winchester. There are some fine light and heavy weights in this series. (PB, 275, 325, 380, 430, 485, Also Perfection - TP is ?)
451113. These bullets are similar in shape to the .45-70 Govt. No. 3 special tool only made to seat them. (PB, 305, 365, 405 - TP is 187)
451114. This is one of the old original Sharp's grooved bullets; it is called the old reliable. No. 3 special tool only. (PB, 450 - TP is 421)
451115. This is the famous Col. Pickett's .45-325 patched, express bullet. No. 3 special tool only. (PB, 325 - TP is ?)
451116. This is the same in shape as the 451115. It is solid and has a hollow base. No. 3 special tool only. (HB, ? - TP is ?)
451117. Express bullet, shaped after the .45-70 Govt. No. 3 special tool only. (PB, 335 HP - TP is ?)
451118. Round ball, for short range or practice work. No. 3 tool with double
adjustable chamber required. (?)
451119. This is a very popular series of bullets, and excellent for large game. No. 3 special tool only. (PB, 235, 270, 315, 360, 405, 450, 495, Also Perfection - TP is ?)
451120. This is an illustration of a bullet from Cylindrical adjustable mould. The bullet is cast smooth for paper patching. Mould will cast bullets of varying lengths, with flat, round or Leopold point. (PB, ? - TP is ?)