ohland
11-16-2013, 10:41 AM
Scrounged up some descriptions for .284 diameter molds from a variety of sources. If some of you-all have better descriptions from Ideal or Lyman catalogs, please post to this thread with the correction or description of the boolit.
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. [ed]
v/r,
A fellow servant to the heavy metal :coffeecom
PS. I love the 7mm size, I don't know why... Maybe the 7-30 Waters...
.285 is the proper diameter of bullets for the Stevens and Pope .28 calibre rifles, also for the Remington and Spanish Mauser 7 m/m., and other arms of the same calibre.
NOTE: The “size to” diameters were changed from 285 to 287, cherries (probably) stayed the same. Also, the weights may vary due to individual cherry configurations [ed.]
285202 These bullets are of the Kephart design and are correct in size for the 7 m/m. Spanish and Remington Mauser. Use 4 grains Unique with 84 grain bullet or 7 grains Unique with 120 grain bullet. (PB, RN, 84, 120 – TP is 346)
285221 This series of bullets was designed by Chas. H. Herrick for the .28-30-120 Stevens Rifle; the 120 grains weight is the factory bullet. Use 5 grains Unique with 120 grain bullet. (PB, FN, 90, 105, 120, 135, 150, 165, 180, also Perfection – TP is 420)
285222 This series of bullets was also designed by C. H. Herrick for the Stevens .28 calibre rifle; they are intended to kill small game without mangling it. (PB, SP, 91, 106, 121, 136, 151, 166, 181 – TP is 377)
285227 is a round ball which is O.K. for very light charges for 7 m/m. and .28 calibre Pope and Stevens. (87 – TP is ?)
285228 This is a game killer and is very accurate. The 112 grs. is our standard length. For other lengths, see No. 285221. (PB, FN, HP, 112 – TP is ?)
285364 Designed for 7 mm. Spanish Mauser Mid-Range. (GC, SP, 135 – TP is 346)
285365 (PB, SP, 108 - TP is ?)
285373 A fine plain base bullet design for the 7 m/m. (PB, FN, 122 – TP is 377)
285377 Fine Spitzer point bullet for 7 m/m. A load giving about 1800 f.p.s. with the bullet seated so over-all length will not be more than 3.000”. (GC, SP, 148 – TP is 377)
285448 Designed by H. Guy Loverin and very accurate in the 7 mm. (GC, RN, 118 – TP is 346)
287129 Round nosed gas check bullet for the .280 Remington. Size to .285. (GC, RN, 124 – TP is ?)
287202 See 285202
287221 See 285221
287222 See 285222
287308 Round nosed gas check bullet for the .280 Remington. Size to .285. (GC, RN, 164 – TP is 468)
287346 See 285346
287373 See 285373
287377 See 285377
287405 Round nose Loverin design for the 7 mm. (GC, RN, 150 – TP is 346)
287442 Fine-pointed bullet for 7 m/m, when used on small game. (GC, SP, 139 – TP is 377)
287448 See 285448
287641 (GC, SP, 160 - TP is 359)
Disclaimer: It is well known that (at times) cherries have been used too long, with undersized cavities resulting. Some throats are too big compared to the groove diameter. Over time, manufacturers held different tolerances and dimensions for the chamber and bore. Different alloys will turn out different diameters. What follows below is simply a collection of the various Ideal and Lyman mold descriptions, which does NOT mean that any particular mold will cast a boolit like you expect. What does this mean? Slug your bore if you don't know the bore/groove dimensions for your gun. If the mold is undersize, you may have to beagle / lap it out some. [ed]
NOTE: Any loads mentioned are taken from period documents, and are not in any way tested. Please refer to modern loading manuals for safe loads. [ed]
v/r,
A fellow servant to the heavy metal :coffeecom
PS. I love the 7mm size, I don't know why... Maybe the 7-30 Waters...
.285 is the proper diameter of bullets for the Stevens and Pope .28 calibre rifles, also for the Remington and Spanish Mauser 7 m/m., and other arms of the same calibre.
NOTE: The “size to” diameters were changed from 285 to 287, cherries (probably) stayed the same. Also, the weights may vary due to individual cherry configurations [ed.]
285202 These bullets are of the Kephart design and are correct in size for the 7 m/m. Spanish and Remington Mauser. Use 4 grains Unique with 84 grain bullet or 7 grains Unique with 120 grain bullet. (PB, RN, 84, 120 – TP is 346)
285221 This series of bullets was designed by Chas. H. Herrick for the .28-30-120 Stevens Rifle; the 120 grains weight is the factory bullet. Use 5 grains Unique with 120 grain bullet. (PB, FN, 90, 105, 120, 135, 150, 165, 180, also Perfection – TP is 420)
285222 This series of bullets was also designed by C. H. Herrick for the Stevens .28 calibre rifle; they are intended to kill small game without mangling it. (PB, SP, 91, 106, 121, 136, 151, 166, 181 – TP is 377)
285227 is a round ball which is O.K. for very light charges for 7 m/m. and .28 calibre Pope and Stevens. (87 – TP is ?)
285228 This is a game killer and is very accurate. The 112 grs. is our standard length. For other lengths, see No. 285221. (PB, FN, HP, 112 – TP is ?)
285364 Designed for 7 mm. Spanish Mauser Mid-Range. (GC, SP, 135 – TP is 346)
285365 (PB, SP, 108 - TP is ?)
285373 A fine plain base bullet design for the 7 m/m. (PB, FN, 122 – TP is 377)
285377 Fine Spitzer point bullet for 7 m/m. A load giving about 1800 f.p.s. with the bullet seated so over-all length will not be more than 3.000”. (GC, SP, 148 – TP is 377)
285448 Designed by H. Guy Loverin and very accurate in the 7 mm. (GC, RN, 118 – TP is 346)
287129 Round nosed gas check bullet for the .280 Remington. Size to .285. (GC, RN, 124 – TP is ?)
287202 See 285202
287221 See 285221
287222 See 285222
287308 Round nosed gas check bullet for the .280 Remington. Size to .285. (GC, RN, 164 – TP is 468)
287346 See 285346
287373 See 285373
287377 See 285377
287405 Round nose Loverin design for the 7 mm. (GC, RN, 150 – TP is 346)
287442 Fine-pointed bullet for 7 m/m, when used on small game. (GC, SP, 139 – TP is 377)
287448 See 285448
287641 (GC, SP, 160 - TP is 359)