pistol bullets for .35 Rem Marlin 336

[bohemian]

A greenhorn here with my 1st post...

At 58, have done some rifle reloading over the years - one of which has been .35 Remington for my Marlin 336

Years ago I read that there was reloading data for .35 Remington using pistol bullets...

Being more of a pistol shooter these days - with a .357 and .38 revolver - I've grown more interested in the possibility of the above...

Would really appreciate some guidance, recommendations, etc... especially with respect to bullet selection...

I recognize a wealth of knowledge lies with this group, and I figure someone here will steer me in the right direction...

Thanks much !!!

[JayinAZ]

I use the 358156, with a gas check. You can start around 16 grs of 2400 and work your way up a couple grains. 17.5 was the most accurate in my 336.

[357Mag]

Bohemian -

Howdy !

FWIW -
I can tell you that when shooting 140FTX "J"-word & IMR4759 in my M336 XLR .35Rem, the bullets started "keyholing" once I reached 17.0gr .
This was from the 24" SS 12-groove ( Ballard rifled ) .358" calibre barrel.

I think it unlikely I myself will try any more "J"-word .357's in my XLR. Lead pistol boolits... would be the way-to-go .

I am working up loads for swaged 195gr SPBTs ( taken from .45cal muzzle loader sabots ). These mike @ .350", and I'm shooting them "patched"
w/ ( Nylon ) DYMO label maker tape.

As an aside:
The interim swaged 195gr load w/ 16.2gr IMR4759 and Rem 9 1/2 already impacts the 100yd target 1' higher than the 140FTX 17.0gr IM4759 Rem 9 1/2 loads did, when both were shot using same point of aim & scope adjustments. Again, seeinz how I would have to reduce the 4759 powder charge under the 140FTX in-order to stop keyholing..... that bullet has become un-attractive for my use in the XLR.

I am really enjoying the flexibility in re-loading, that use of IMR4759 provides.


With regards,
357Mag

[rintinglen]

Speer has data for J-balls using Rl-7 and other similar rifle powders.
My only experience with the 35 Rem and boolits involved the RCBS 35-200 grain boolit. 16.8 grains of 2400 shot pretty well and was lower recoil than factory.

[Leslie Sapp]

A 358156 over a charge of Unique makes a nice plinking load. If you've already got some equipment, you can probably load that for less per round than .22 costs, these days.

[Lefty SRH]

I loaded some 358311s over some trail boss. It didn't group great but it sure was fun.

[Larry Gibson]

I've a M91 Mauser I've rebarreled to 35 Rem with a Shilen 26" barrel and shot/shoot a lot of pistol cast bullets in it. I did shoot a bit of 358156s over 2400 as mentioned but found it wasn't better than just using the RCBS 35-200-FN for medium level loads in the 1500 - 1800 fps range. I also used 2400 as mentioned above for those mid level loads. H4227 was used to push the 358156 to 2015 fps.

However, for plinking, small game and all around fun loads in the 35 Rem I use a lot of pistol bullets. Mostly the L 356-120-TC (sized and lubed at .358) over 5 gr Bullseye (no wad or filler) for 1150 fps. The 358477 or 358-158-SWC over the same 5 gr of Bullseye also does very well and they run 1000+ fps though a more sedate load of 4 gr Bullseye is a bit more accurate.

I've only used 2 ja pistol bullets in my 35 Rem; the 125 Hornady XTPSP and the Spear 158 SPFP. I loaded the 125 XTP over 40 gr of old Data 2200 for 2600 fps and the Speer over 39 gr H4895 for 2200 fps. Both were deadly and very destructive on jack rabbits and coyotes.

Larry Gibson

[bohemian]

WOW !!! What an Education I'm getting here !!! Thank You, ALL - Very Much !!!

Been a bit Busy lately, as are all you - no doubt... So, I'm just now - checking back... and "WOW!" what a Great Surprise !!!

Internet/Google searches are aiding in my education - based on the valuable input You have All provided me (above)...

So - Trust, I will be educating myself further using the terms, phrases (like: "sized & lubed at .358"), Bullet Mold #'s, Powder designations, etc.

I'll be working at being able to ask more intelligent questions - once I'm further up the learning curve...

Much of this is hitting me like - yea, I remember seeing something about that a time or two before... so, that's what "that" is all about - lol

Again, Many Thanks - and "I'll Be Back..."

Ray "Bohemian" Bowers

P.S./BTW - part of what keeps me busy is networking with other 2nd Amendment Activists across the Country - preparing to fight HB-88 here in Delaware!

[shredder]

Now for one to avoid! I tried the lee 358 150 grain RN and it is too short for the Marlin's magazine when seated so the lever will just close on a round. Fed singly they are OK but when you put 3 in the mag, the action ties up. It seems the next cartridge comes out of the mag far enough to tie up the lifter. I managed to lock my new 336C up solid with my first mag full. I had to bring it home with ammo stuck in it, lever locked fully open, and take the lever off, bolt out to free it up. I was immediatly able to re create the jam in my shop with dummy ammo. This did nothing but further annoy me! The bullets are seated to their crimp groove and could not possibly be seated any longer as the rifling engraves the noses.

Suddenly I realized why all the projectiles for .35 Rem have so much taper on the front end. The relationship of the rifling origin to the cartridge OAL is critical in these lever guns, at least in mine!
My next mould is going to be one designed to work in the .35 Rem.

[msp2640]

Just a note, since it wasn't clear from your original post, I've sent a bunch of jacketed 158's both in soft point and hollow point versions thru my Marlin 336 in 35 Rem. Years ago, I couldn't find any 35 rifle bullets at my local store but recall seeing load data in an older Speer manual, so when I eyeballed some 35 cal jacketed pitol bullets on the shelf, I tried them out. Don't quite recall the load or accuracy, but at ranges less than 50 yards the were fun and cheap blasting rounds and virtually no recoil to speak of. Ironically, I now cast with a few different 35 moulds and I've yet to sent any lead down range with that Marlin. Good luck - Bill in MA

[Nobade]

Lee 158 RF over a case full of Trailboss worked well in mine. Same thing also did well in the 358. Pretty quiet shooting, and about the same power level as normal loads out of a 357 revolver. Never tried running them though the magazine, the earlier post about the short nose hanging up likely would apply. What it DIDN'T like is Keith style bullets. The square shoulder and the lack of throat in factory 35 Rem rifles didn't play together well at all.

-Nobade

[MattOrgan]

.35 caliber revolver/pistol bullets are great fun in the .35 Remington, but the issue in my Marlin 336 has always been getting the rifle to feed them from the magazine. As mentioned above one of the older Speer manuals have a lot of data for their jacketed .38/.357 bullets, but I've never had much luck getting them to feed. I've had some success with 125 grain JSP bullets in the past at incredible (for a .35 Remington) velocities. I've never enjoyed trying to use the 336 as a single shot though. These days I stick to the RCBS 200 grain FP for everything in my 336 from plinkers at 1200 fps to factory equivalent loads. I've wondered if the lighter bullets could be crimped longer with a Lee factory crimp die so they would feed. Maybe someone has has tried it and can give a report.

[rem700-3]

I have loaded a few and some feed ok and some shoot ok but here are a couple that I like best. These are my max loads if you try them you may want to start a little lower and work up I am not pushing the envelope with them but I really dont remember where I started either

FTX 158 gr
Hodgdon H322
29.9 grs

FTX 158 gr
IMR 4198
26.9 gr

XTP 110 gr
REL#7
43 gr

[Rodfac]

Well, you didn't really say, but since this is a cast boolit forum, I'd assume that's what you're interested in....but....I've had really great accuracy with (dare I say it), Remington's 125 gr and 140 gr JHP's. From my 336, they'll do an honest inch for 5 shots at 50 yds, with a 2x scope mounted. SR4759, and IMR 4227 are the powders I used, with velocities up to 1750 fps. Expansion on a water jug medium is spectacular to say the very least. I've not tried them on game, but they'd be deadly on stalked woodchucks. Too light I'd think for deer, though a good 158 gr might do the trick. I've been casting Lyman 358156 GC's the last week or so, in between trips out to the deer stand, and they'll be my next project. The mold drops them at .358+", and I'm not real sure what my 336 Rem 35's bore size is...so that may be the rub point.

I've had good luck teaching a cpl new shooters the ins and outs of a Marlin, shooting those light wt. Remingon's and the violent detonations when they hit coke cans or jugs of water keeps their interest levels up.

Best Regards, Rod

[Salmoneye]

I don't cast, but I do shoot cast...

I buy Penn 158gr truncated cone at .358", and shoot them in everything from .38 S&W, to .35 Rem...

If I was loading JUST for the .35 Rem, I'd go to .359" or maybe even .360" to tighten my groups...

Truncated cone 158's cycle fine through my 336RC...

[Airborne Falcon]

I am now subscribed to this thread ... muchos gratziass.

[gordie]

old hornady load manual, vol. 2, from the 1970's... has alot of load data for J pistol bullets.

125gr. & 158gr. w/ these powders :

630 , 2400 , 4227 , 3031.

8gr. unique w/ J 158gr works good. i necksize w/ .357mag sizer.

[Yodogsandman]

Lyman 358477 or Win 158gr JHP with 11.0gr Unique, most 10 shot groups at 100yards <1" in two marlin 336's.

[Buckshot]

...............I built a Small ring Mauser to 35 Rem:

http://www.fototime.com/89E2F2C1A9E4DC7/standard.jpghttp://www.fototime.com/AEC40C4BAA66E93/standard.jpg

It is a M94 Brazilian action.

http://www.fototime.com/347AB486CF7FA9E/standard.jpg

Since you were asking about pistol boolits the above are some. The full wadcutters are a single load situation as they will not feed from the magazine. Fired at 50 yards off the bench. I do not know how fast they're going at 50 yards but I can tell you they make a mess out of a ground squirrel and weren't much more expensive then 22RF. Due to the iron sights hits weren't as common as with a 22 rifle but you didn't have to worry about them making it back to their hole to expire :-)

................Buckshot

[30calflash]

Nice job on the 35 Rem/Mauser, Buckshot. Looks like a nice woods rig and fun gun.

I've a couple 35 cal rifles that I'll try some jacs and cast revolver bullets in. Hope to get some decent results as shown here. 30calflash.