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BT Sniper
10-12-2013, 02:50 AM
Among the many customer dies I am working on here is some bullets made from a customer's 338 set of dies that is high on the list.

These bullets here is one of the main reasons I first got into swaging (the 44 cal bullets from 40S&W being the first to feed a hungry AutoMag). My goal was to make a bullet as good as the Sierra 300 grain Match King for less then the 35 cents each it cost to buy the Sierras. Finally many years later I am very close to one of my goals.

Here is a bullet I am very happy with, matter of fact this is a set of dies I wish I could keep for my own needs (all in good time, I'll have to make me a set at a later date). It is a 250 grain 338 with a 6s ogive and a 9 degree boat tail formed from scrap 223 blanks. It turned out very well, darn near perfect. The advantage, I am learning, to swaging boat tail bullets it that there seems to be considerably less effort needed to eject the formed bullet from the die, less barring surface or less of a pressure ring at the base of the bullet or a combination of both. The only thing I have left to achieve with my personal goals and this bullet is a smaller meplat and a higher BC with a 9s ogive. With the ease of ejection from the die these boat tail bullets have I should be able to take the .092 meplat down to a .075 or possibly a .062 at which point I wound be able to match the Sierra. I already have the 9s ogive reamer.

My goals aside, I bet this bullet pictured below is capable of greatness. At 250 grains it is ideal for many of the 338 calibers. My progress with the boat tail dies and bullets is darn near perfected. Here I was able to swage the near solid base of the 223 down to a perfect 9 degree boat tail, should make for a strong bullet with the nearly solid base of brass and tapered jacket walls, reminds me of the Nolser BTs. Yet the jacket thickness at the tip of the 223 case is a good deal thinner then the commercial jackets I'm sure and will lead to dramatic initial expansion. I have one of these bullets sectioned in half I'll get a pic of soon.

So far I'm on my way, well on the customer's way, to some great 338 bullets. Bullets as good or better then commercial bullets at a cost of scrap brass prices, in the case of these blanks that is less then 4 cents a piece!



250 grain 338 bullet from 223 blank!
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/BTSniper/7304d052-46eb-473d-a338-5bbf33c003a2_zps74aba0a9.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/BTSniper/media/7304d052-46eb-473d-a338-5bbf33c003a2_zps74aba0a9.jpg.html)\





One step at a time! Trim, anneal, clean, draw down, draw down again, seat core, form bullet. Top of jackets appear as though they are cut uneven, there are square just the rounded base is causing the case to tilt towards camera. Sierra 300 grain match king pictured on right.
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/BTSniper/e88a8e7d-217d-43bf-9e06-a1fb1e941297_zps7e30b460.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/BTSniper/media/e88a8e7d-217d-43bf-9e06-a1fb1e941297_zps7e30b460.jpg.html)




A look at the base of the bullets and scrap 223 brass.
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/BTSniper/30acc7be-7a02-4596-b2c8-6b4c918dfda0_zpsc3cbbf30.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/BTSniper/media/30acc7be-7a02-4596-b2c8-6b4c918dfda0_zpsc3cbbf30.jpg.html)


250 grain next to a 300 grain bullet from scrap 223 brass.
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/BTSniper/47c5d008-42f5-4284-81a8-107603c23764_zps976f6c06.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/BTSniper/media/47c5d008-42f5-4284-81a8-107603c23764_zps976f6c06.jpg.html)




A 300 grain 338 from 223 scrap brass next to the Sierra 300 grain 338. Notice the boat tails! A near perfect match! I'll be working on the tip of the bullet with a smaller meplat and higher 9s ogive
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/BTSniper/6826ad75-e9e8-4ddf-a269-81c717237cff_zps9082f30b.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/BTSniper/media/6826ad75-e9e8-4ddf-a269-81c717237cff_zps9082f30b.jpg.html)

338RemUltraMag
10-12-2013, 02:59 AM
Freakin cool, I am saving my 22 cases for just this kind of project. (swaging I mean)

Utah Shooter
10-12-2013, 03:02 AM
I must say those look like some good bullets. I would really be interested to see how they compare to the Sierra's.

BT Sniper
10-12-2013, 03:37 AM
Thanks Guys.

I'm getting a lot closer to the quality of very good commercial bullets. With a commercial 338 jacket I have little doubt I could get some very good results. I have some RCE .408 cal jackets I will draw down and see what is possible. With the 223 for a jacket we shall see. I expect I should be able to do at least as well as the 30 cals I make from 5.7 brass. On a good day those 30 cal bullets will go well under .5 MOA.

I got a heck of a riffle for the testing of the 338s. A 338 Edge with a 30" Pac-Nor bull barrel that will shoot under 1/4" with the 300 grain Sierras.

With my latest achievements and continued learning experiences, I am very excited about many of the future dies to come as I apply everything I have learned into making future dies even better with more possibilities. I suspect I can get just as good of boat tail on the 30 cal from 5.7 brass. Also got a 375 H&H to test some 223 jackets with in a .375 cal bullet...... it is endless, anything is possible.

Good shooting and swage on!

Brian

MOcaster
10-12-2013, 10:03 AM
Brian, those are gorgeous! How you can do this is beyond me. And that boat tail! Your dies must be a heck of a lot bigger than I thought to form a boat tail on such a thick piece of brass.

scarry scarney
10-16-2013, 02:39 PM
Brian

You are KILLING ME! Those look GREAT. Makes me want to buy a 338, just so I can make those bullets for it. Gee, I've always wanted a 338 Lapua.......

Rangefinder
10-16-2013, 04:07 PM
You are KILLING ME! Those look GREAT. Makes me want to buy a 338, just so I can make those bullets for it. Gee, I've always wanted a 338 Lapua.......[/QUOTE]

WHAT??? You want THAT powder hog??? Tehehehe---yah, me too... Especially if I could afford that set of dies. Come-on Powerball!!!

monmouth
11-08-2013, 09:09 AM
Awesome! Brian, any chance you can do an accuracy test with the bullets out to 1000 meters?

BT Sniper
11-08-2013, 11:28 AM
I have yet to test them at 100 yrds :)

The flat base 30 cals from 5.7x28 brass will shoot very well though, check out pick below (pulled one shot high left) so I imagine there is no reason the boat tail 30 or 338 cals from 223 shouldn't shoot just as well or better.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/BTSniper/P1080001.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/BTSniper/media/P1080001.jpg.html)