209 primers as .224 jackets. Yes or no?

[MOcaster]

I was looking at Corbin's price list and noticed a die that made jackets out of spent 209 shotgun primers. Has anyone used one? How did it work? Will the nickel plating hurt my barrel? Can I use my regular de-rim die? Okay, I know I can use my regular de-rim because I de-rimmed a few primers before I wrote this but I don't know if it will hurt it. They "jackets" turned out about the same length as 22 shorts.

Thanks for everyone's help.

[Lizard333]

I believe the newer shotgun primers are made from steel. They are magnetic. Not such a good thing for your dies or for your barrel for that matter.

[MOcaster]

I guess you're right about that. I just assumed that they were plated brass. They seemed pretty soft but steel can be soft. Are any 209 primers made from brass?

[MUSTANG]

MOcaster:

I tend to keep items that might be useful one day, shotgun primers included. A few weeks ago I too ran a few that I found in a jar through my .22LR derimmer. My 209 primers were Brass or copper, not steel; although they were from at least 15 years ago. I have not done anything with the "Jackets"; it was a simple curiosity that drove me to size the 209 primer through the 22LR sizing die. What I did notice from my efforts was that the top lip of the primer was skewed, not parallel and concentric, my 22LR derimmed jackets are far more concentric and parallel compared to the 209 formed jacket.

My thoughts for the smaller jacket formed by swaging the 209 primers was to eventually feed my S&W model 53 in 22 Rem Jet. Will have to have a .222 sizing die made to squeeze the bullets down as the 22RemJet does not fire a .224 bullet. I put the project on the back burner till possibly this winter as the skewed mouths of the jacket will have to be dealt with if I go down that path again. If you continue, keep us posted.

Mustang

[bullet maker 57]

If I am not mistaken, I think 209 primers are used to make jackets for the 25 acp.

[MOcaster]

That makes sense. The part number from Corbin's is SPJM-25R. I guess that means it makes jackets for 25 caliber.

[MUSTANG]

But,

Just as you can draw a variety of jackets to smaller diameters; you should also be able to draw a 209 primer to .224. The skewed mouths I experienced are probably a result of trying to take down the diameter in a single step, as opposed to a couple of draws.

Mustang

[MOcaster]

Good point, Mustang. I want to try using them but all the shotshell primers that I have a steel. I think part of the reason the mouths are skewed are from how big the rim on them are. Which the skewing then goes back to taking them down too much in one step.

[MUSTANG]

Might try a .224 Lee Push through die with the de-rimming punch - not the punch on the Lee Push Through Die, as an interim step. The 209 primer measures ~ 0.241, taking it down to .224, then through the de-rimming punch might work. Still a larger swage reduction (0.017 reduction) than desirable, but within the tools in the kit to create a 2 step reduction.

Mustang

[MOcaster]

Good idea. I didn't think of that. I have a .225 that I will try if I can ever find brass/copper primers. And by the way, thanks for everyone's help.

[newcastter]

Might try a .224 Lee Push through die with the de-rimming punch - not the punch on the Lee Push Through Die, as an interim step. The 209 primer measures ~ 0.241, taking it down to .224, then through the de-rimming punch might work. Still a larger swage reduction (0.017 reduction) than desirable, but within the tools in the kit to create a 2 step reduction.

Mustang
That's what I do to derim 17hmr and 22mag.

[MUSTANG]

MOcaster:

The 209 primers I previously swaged into 1st stage jackets were looking somewhat like the two on the right of this picture (Extracted from post: #8 at : http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?215196-Going-to-try-to-make-jackets-with-boat-tail-Stage-1-Drawing-the-cup&p=2447614#post2447614).

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If future attempts continue to result in slanted mouths; trimming to square could be required. The question that comes to mind is: Why does a 22 short/LR/Mag case swaged to jacket come out square, but the primer and punched from blank strip jacket in the picture come out skewed? My postulation is that there is a good aligned and "Correct Fit" on the various 22 Derimm dies made (Corbin, BTSniper, Blackmon, etal..). With the 209 primer and the blank in the picture, these conditions are not present.


Mustang

[runfiverun]

i'd go with because the punch is a closer fit.
it doesn't allow the primer/case whatever to roll over at will.
the 22 cases won't shift because the punch is fitting the inside of the case supporting everything more squarely.

[MOcaster]

I agree with you guys. I'll get a punch made to draw the primers down to .225 then use the de-rim die to take them down the rest of the way.

[greywuuf]

I have only used them as .256 jackets
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6021/5991918111_8518417b7f_z.jpg

[MOcaster]

Those look nice! Please share with us, how did you get the mouths so even? Are you using steel primers or did you find some brass ones? What brand are they? Are you using Corbin dies?

[bullet maker 57]

I have a big pile of copper primers if anybody wants to try and use some for jackets. Let me know if you are interested.

[xman777]

I am interested! PM sent.

[bullet maker 57]

Pm Answered. I've got 2 one pound coffee cans full with more on the way.

[greywuuf]

They are plated steel, that is why I have only made a handful. The mouths just came out even (using the Corbin dies). Shot from a 10" contender in .256 Win Mag, they are awful rough on the bullet traps and steel spinners.

[MOcaster]

I'm interested too. PM sent.

[xman777]

The way that i do these are by first using the jacket maker from corbin and then running a purpose made 224 draw die. The jackets are very short, obviously. I think my max load was 43 grains to date. Even with the 22 draw die, the jackets still come out a bit uneven, but i trim the meplats, point form and trim again. I'll see if I can dig some out for photos. Also, when the primers come from bullet maker 57, I will revisit this topic. I'd like to get my hands on all the 209s I could find at this rate. I know it can be done, but the hard part is locating the primers.

[xman777]

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My best results for the jackets alone were after running them through a 243-224 die. The jacket is perfectly symmetrical all around and will require little to no extra work in the final processes.

[xman777]

I'm getting some repeatable results here with this setup.
209 de gutting punch and anvil, 25ACP 209 derimmer, draw die from 243-224.
As far as cores, I am all over the board, but nothing heavy enough to do anything but shoot cheaply if you have a buddy shooting lots of shotty.
Steel or copper, whatever. These things wont hurt the barrel. They swage well.

[Prospector Howard]

Steel jackets made with them won't hurt the barrel?

[dieguy59]

Just in case anyone was still looking for a SPJM-25...

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?243122-**AUCTION**-223-draw-die-set-and-Corbin-SPJM-25-M-set