Id this bullet.... I found on the range, it is huge... Pic

[AlaskanGuy]

Ok guys.. I regularly pick range bullets, and the other day, i came across this obviously military monster.. I am retired military, but have no idea what this thing is.. Got mesurements but no clue..... Here are the pics.. Be the first to id this chunk of brass.. The bullet that is used for comparison is a 300 gr 44 mag.... And it dwarfs it. We use a lot of big stuff up here for brown bear protection, but this is big even for us Alaskans....:guntootsmiley:

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[jmort]

Shotgun Slug?

[AlaskanGuy]

Nope...... Dont think so... Bigger then a slug... Tomorow, i will post a pic comparing with a 12 ga slug

[mikeym1a]

Well, it's .58 Cal, obviously. I didn't see any rifling marks on the bullet, and it appears to be copper clad. The nose is not deformed, so, was it fired, or did someone lose it. Could it be a shotgun slug? Not a shotgun guy. And interesting mystery. :-D

[birch]

It is a slug of some sort as there are no rifling grooves on the bullet. I would say it is a sabbot slug of sorts. Maybe a 10 gauge if the 12 is too small?

[jmort]

"Maybe a 10 gauge if the 12 is too small?"

I still think it is a shotgun slug. For sure .58 Cal is not large for 12 gauge. Here is a 58 Cal boolit that dwarfs the one you found and 12 gauge slugs get bigger.

http://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=59-780B-D.png

How about this

http://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=73-900S-D.png

[Lonegun1894]

I also say shotgun slug, but can't tell you which one. However, I will say this. A 12ga is ABOUT .725-.730", and I use a .690" slug in a standard shotcup in mine. A 20ga is ABOUT .615-.625", and I use a .575" conical for a slug in it also using a standard shotcup. So if I had to guess, I would agree with the guys above who said sabot slug, due to the lack of rifling marks, and probably fired from a 20ga. As to the lack of deformation in the nose, I have a guess based on reading some of Elmer Keith's books that said he would fire a bullet into a snowbank, and then collect it after the snow thawed out in the spring and it would not be deformed. Like I said, I have no direct experience with this testing method myself being in Texas, but since you're in Alaska, I would bet you get enough snow on occasion to test Keith's method.

[Kskybroom]

It looks like a Remmington Sabat Slug, Is it soild copper or lead copper, Weight ?
I think Remmington makes a Soild Copper Sabot....
Could be wrong been before (WAG)

[Janoosh]

New style shotgun slug. About $18 - $20 for a box of five....ridiculous!

[groovy mike]

could be a shotgun slug or just as easily a projectile for a 58 cal muzzle loader like the 1863 Zouave.

http://relicman.com/weapons/zArchiveWeaponMusketModel1863Zouave.htm



"Wartime manufacture, 1862 to 1865, this musket pattern is attributed to the "Zouaves", although the connection to any such unit is not proven. It incorporated many of the features of the Model 1841, yet was produced during a much later period and designed for .58 caliber from the beginning. Musket designed as single shot 58 cal. muzzleloader, brass contoured buttplate, brass patchbox, brass trigger guard, lockplate and hammer are similar to Model 1841, two leaf sight, two brass rounded bands are held with springs, two strap hooks affixed to trigger guard and forward band, small brass nose guard, lug on the nose for a saber bayonet, ramrod is tulip head with straight shank and threaded end, barrel is heavy and rifled for .58 cal. with 7 lands & grooves. "

[madsenshooter]

Yea, that's the Remington copper solid slug. The little vanes inside the hollowpoint are the give away. They look as though slots were cut, then the nose given a twist, to make the little vanes. I took one out of a 20ga slug that had a bad primer recently. It was 45cal, 290gr for the 20ga. It'll go into a sabot for my 50cal muzzleloader.

[NoZombies]

And it's pretty clearly NOT anything military either, being a hollow point, it would run afoul of the hague convention.

[338RemUltraMag]

I find these all the time in my local range, a 12 ga uses a 58 cal slug mainly. And like others said they are EXPENSIVE

[303Guy]

Are those for rifled shotgun barrels?

[Lonegun1894]

Yes, 303, for rifled barrels. I have fired a few through a smoothbore, and the accuracy was actually better with standard (and much cheaper) rifled slugs, but that was before I started loading my own shotgun slugs so maybe this design would be good in a smoothbore also for all I know.

[littlejack]

I just finished some R&D on my 12 guage shotshell "slug" loads.
I have been loading a .69 caliber conical musket bullet in my 12 guage hulls. I size them down to .677 and then drop them in a wad, over 38 grains od BlueDot. One hell of a stopper, just not too accurate. 9" group at fifty yards.
I shot these in my 870, with a Hastings rifled barrel.
Jack

[leadman]

Most 58 caliber muzzleloaders take a .570" or .575" projectile so it would have rifling marks on it if fired from one of them, so shotgun saboted slug makes sense.
I use a 45 caliber pistol boolit in a sabot for my 58 caliber H&R Huntsman, early 1970s model.

[preparehandbook]

madsenshooter nailed it.

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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/398288/remington-premier-ammunition-12-gauge-2-3-4-1-oz-copper-solid-sabot-slug-lead-free-box-of-5

[AlaskanGuy]

Wow... Very nice.... Awsome job!!!

[Me not you]

here's a double rifle that also might use that kind of bullet:
http://www.hotkey.net.au/~orrs/GreenerStory.htm

[CHeatermk3]

Check out Ed Hubel's thread in the shotgun forum.

He's had some fine sabots produced for loading 58 cal minies in 12 gauge hulls. Way cheaper than 4-5 bucks per shot.