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kweidner
09-13-2013, 11:21 AM
Seems we all do things slightly different. I just recently had some free funds to pick up a lee 20lb pot just for annealing. Wow what a difference! I learned real quick to watch it close. With the setting at "8" the inside climbed to 1000f in a matter of 5 minutes. Had to crack the foil on top a little to let cool a bit so as not to melt my brass :shock: I ended up stabilizing at 875 and soaking for 10 minutes. 15 minutes from plug in to cool off! They are super soft. I was just curious what temp and how long you guys are using for 22rf to .224 jackets.

Oven my behind. I bet I get less fold overs if any. If you are sitting on the fence with this, you just spent 800+ on the dies, what is a little bit more for them to be annealed correctly?

Thanks BT and Duke!

Ken

Cane_man
09-13-2013, 11:48 AM
i use a PID on my Lee 4-20 and i set the temp at 825F for 1 hour... the temp swings from 775F to 850F as the PID is working so i set it a little higher... i wrap the cases in foil, then place some 1" thick ceramic insulation on top of it... after the hour is over, i remove the top insulation and just let it cool for a few hours...

i do this for 22LR to .224, 9mm to 10mm/40SW, and so far for the 9mm to 30 Cal

MOcaster
09-13-2013, 11:55 AM
Set the forge on full blast with charcoal if I don't have very many to do, coal if I do, then put a couple hundred 9mm brass in a pan and leave it for ten minutes. Don't ask me how hot it is, I haven't a clue. Hot enought to melt steel and anneal brass, so it's all I want it to be.

ReloaderFred
09-13-2013, 01:25 PM
There is a video of Starline brass being made on youtube and in it they cover annealing. I've been using their temperature of 1,130 degrees F since I acquired my ceramics kiln, and it works great.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ssMmD_tXE

Hope this helps.

Fred

MarkP
09-13-2013, 01:47 PM
4/10th of melting point is a general rule of thumb for Recrystallization temperature, so above 700 F should work. I do my rifle necks in lead at 800 F and it works very well.

Interstage annealing of cartridge cases also increases grain size, req'd soak or dwell time is reduced as temp increases. (such as 1,130 F Starline example above)

fredj338
09-13-2013, 03:20 PM
I use a small Lee 4# pot, foil lid, set on 6, leave it for 5-6min, then stir & another 5-6min. The brass seems soft enough. I have had the occasional wrinkled nose though. I usually just take the foil off & let the pot cool down. I tried also dumping them into the lemishine mix, but I ss pin tumble them anyway, so not sure I gain anything there.

Zymurgy50
09-13-2013, 04:54 PM
Many years ago I did yard work for an older couple for 20+years. One day they had me come in the house for a sit down conversation. To make a long story short, They gave me a "tip" of $25,000. I purchased Corbin equipment, including a heat treat oven. 22lr brass gets annealed at 900f for 15 minutes, then dumped into a bucket of water and lemishine. I can anneal +/- 1000 empty cases at once, I estimate I can anneal 4k cases in an hour and a half, including warm up time.

Cane_man
09-13-2013, 05:19 PM
LOL, and i thought i was a good tipper :)

Theditchman
09-13-2013, 08:14 PM
I have a muffle oven like the one Corbin sells and I put about 3000 22lr cases in at 1000 for about 15 mins...I use a stainless chip frying basket that I made smaller to fit the oven....my wife aint missed it yet

kweidner
09-16-2013, 08:06 PM
There is a video of Starline brass being made on youtube and in it they cover annealing. I've been using their temperature of 1,130 degrees F since I acquired my ceramics kiln, and it works great.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ssMmD_tXE

Hope this helps.

Fred

Wow talk about equipment envy. I just want to make my own jackets eventually. ahhhhhh to dream.

sprinkintime
09-17-2013, 02:21 PM
I am using a Thermolyne Furnace, I do approx. 1000 at once, set on 1000 degrees for 20 to 30 mins, never had a problem.
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a.squibload
09-17-2013, 02:47 PM
I don't do as many cases at a time, but my equipment
is much simpler.
Run a propane torch flame on each case head 'til it
just starts to glow (a few seconds), move to the next.
The heat conducts and anneals the whole case.

kweidner
09-18-2013, 08:03 PM
Went up to 960 this AM on a batch of 600ish? Let soak for 25 minutes. They are in ss media now. Sure as heck are soft. Can squish whole jacket with fingers all the way to base.

Lizard333
09-19-2013, 04:01 PM
I throw my brass in a Dutch oven and cook it over a turkey fryer burner for 15 minutes. I get between 800 and 900 degrees. I can do a LOT of brass in a hurry.

I also core bond my 40's, 44's, and 45's this way, except with just a single layer. Saves me having to seat the cores as well.