Nagant

[Scrounger]

Fell off the wagon today; haven't bought anything in two months, just had to buy something. So what do I have here? It's been setting in my favorite little gunshop for months. Price was so low I figured I couldn't get hurt on it. Look over these pictures, tell me what it's worth.
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m397.jpg
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m395.jpg
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m394.jpg
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m392.jpg
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m306.jpg
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m391.jpg

[Scrounger]

Serial number is in the 48,000 range; other markings are: T in a triangle; D; F; 1932. What does it all mean? How much is it worth?

http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m393.jpg
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m3910.jpg
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m399.jpg
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Scrounger/m398.jpg

[grumble]

From a gun store, I'd guess you paid 125-150. Century has the MN rifles in VG to Excellent condition for around $60, retail is about $90. The nice wood and the accoutraments (sp?) should be worth at least another $50, I'd think.

[crazy mark]

Do you have a full length picture. The T in a triangle usually means Tikka. Is there a SA in a box on it. It looks like a finn rebuild with that style metal nosecap. go to WWW.gunboards.com to find out more. They have a section on Russian and Finn rifles. That looks like a M28 or 28-30 nose cap. Mark

[Scrounger]

Do you have a full length picture. The T in a triangle usually means Tikka. Is there a SA in a box on it. It looks like a finn rebuild with that style metal nosecap. go to WWW.gunboards.com to find out more. They have a section on Russian and Finn rifles. That looks like a M28 or 28-30 nose cap. Mark

Yes, the SA is on it.

[Shepherd2]

Looks like you've lucked into one of the Finn rebuilds on a Mosin Nagant action. They bring a much higher price than the MN 91/30s and are regarded as fine shooters. It's hard to tell what you have from the pictures but I don't think it's the more common M39. Go to gunboards.com as Crazy Mark suggested. You should be able to pin it down there. Let us know what you have.

[RJS3799]

That looks like a Finn model 28. If the rear sight leaf has a curved appearance it is a 28. If the rear sight leaf is flat it's a 28-30. Either way a great rifle that is not easy to come by. Nice find

Rick

[Finn45]

Bummer, pics just disappeared so couldn't recheck things. Muzzle and front sight looks like from the m28-30; sight in the front close to the muzzle and it's adjustable by the screws? M28 didn't have the screw adjustments yet. Cleaning rod is from m39, since that only has longer oval slotted knob on it. Also stock nose cap is like in m39; solid top and there seems to be hinge on the left side and vertical closing screw on the other side + one horizontal screw? Rear sight doesn't look like m39 or m28-30, could be m28 or older. M39 has pistol grip, but there're pieces without it as well, although in straight m39 stock there's no band around the stock in front of the rear sight. M39 has front sight installed clearly more to the back than in this rifle, but I don't know if there's pieces with short muzzle like there's pieces with pistol grip. If it's with SA markings and Tikka barrel, check the bore condition and...

[4060MAY]

everthig you ever wanted to know about M/N
http://7.62x54r.net/

[Jumptrap]

It's a model 28 and i have a model 39 here i will trade for it anyday. Why? They are hard to come by...sort of a transition model. The first Finn i had was a 28 bought for $59! The rear sight is the give away in ID. The 28 i had was well worn and din't shoot very well. The rear sight is far inferior to the later 28-30 and 39 but everything else is pretty much the same...except the pistol grip stock of the 39.

I'm not an expert on these rifles by any stetch of the imagination bit I have fooled with a few and loafed at Tuco's board more than a little. The 28 was the Finn's first real attempt at correcting many of the deficiencys of the earlier types. They shortened the barrel a little, improved the trigger, added a hefty front sight protector...this appears on the 27 as well. The later 28-30 was another leap forward because they added the better rear sight instead of using the original Mosin rear with meter markings stamped on the opposite side where the Russians used arshins. They experiemnted with .308 bores in the 28-30 as well but went back to 310 in the later 39's. Supposedly this allowed the use of high pressure MG ammo without fear of too much pressure. The later 39 also utilized a pistol grip stock.

For shooting purposes, i cannot find any better than the 39, some croon over the 308 bore of the 28-30 but this is a moot point when using cast bullets sized to fit. the 28 is just more rare because of less production. Your rifle would probably bring $300-$350. So, whether it shoots worth a damn or not, i doubt you'll let it go for much less. the accroutments are nice gee-gaws to have but serve no practicality unless you are marching across the steppes.

Shoot it, it may surprise you....good or bad. But I'll bet on the good side.

[brimic]

Nice find!
Not sure what it would be worth, but its a far cry better rifle than the $69 junk Russian wartime makes of M38s and 91/30s.

[Doctor Sam]

My $69 91/30 "junker" from AimSurplus came with a hex receiver and appeared nearly new even though it was stamped 1932. Exterior is excellent and the bore is very good. Ditto for the M38 carbine I ordered after receiving the rifle.
Surplus 147g ammo shoots groups about 2.5-3.5" when I do my part and the plastic copper coated training ammo shoots tighter groups than the ball with very little recoil. I am recoil sensetive due to a rotator cuff problem so the Yugo heavy ball and I don't get along well.
I'm looking forward to working up a cast bullet load. Just got my Lee dies in and am ready to go.
Easy modification of the front sight: remove, post knocks out to the bottom, D&T for screw, remove screw head and slot with a Dremel tool, screw in or out to adjust. Mine shoots dead on at 100 yds.
Ugly rifles that shoot well.

[brimic]

My $69 91/30 "junker" from AimSurplus came with a hex receiver and appeared nearly new even though it was stamped 1932.

I wouldn't mind a prewar rifle, but every mosin I have was made between 1941 and 1943, all of them amount to being not much more than a long sharp pointy thing that also happens to fire bullets.

[cubrock]

If it is marked as you say, it is a Finnish Model 27. Model 28s do not have dates on top of the barrel and do not have the "F" chamber marking.

I can't see the pictures, but if you want to email them to me, I can tell you if it is correctly configured and give you a value estimate. I used to own a large collection of these before I got into revolvers and sold them all off. Finnish M27s are fine weapons and much better than the average Russian Mosin Nagant. They are generally also worth more than the average Russian.

Congrats!

cubrock@netzero.net