Hi-Standard value question

[robpete]

I recently picked up a Hi-Standard Supermatic Trophy 104 for a song. I'm going to pass it along, but have no clue on how much to list it. It's in perfect condition, except for some very tiny scratches in the backside rear corner of the rear sight. Serial number is ml05704(1975?). One mag. Fluted barrel. no box/papers, compensator or weights.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance

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[Jack Stanley]

My info on those is dated since I haven't fooled with them in several years . I would say the price would likely start in the five or six hundred dollar range .

Jack

[williamwaco]

Do you have the muzzle break?

[M-Tecs]

I will stay out of the price advise since I am very interested. Please keep me posted when you determine a price. Thanks

[robpete]

Do you have the muzzle break?

Unfortunately, what you see is all I have. I bought it from a widow who tossed out a lot of what she thought was her late husband's "junk". very sad

[Le Loup Solitaire]

I bought this exact and identical pistol five years ago except that mine is also marked HD Military. I paid $500.- then and considered it a very good deal. No box or papers came with it. A check on the serial number established the year of manufacture to be 1972. It had no muzzle brake nor any of the weights....which would have increased the value, but I was able to locate and purchase these accessories afterward. The performance/accuracy (with appropriate good grade target ammo) is incredible...slow fire or rapid fire. High velocity ammo is not recommended (posts/threads on the High Standard Assn forum). It is also suggested to keep the muzzle brake clean(ed). The quality/workmanship of these pistols is legendary and definitely IMHO worth the price. I would assume that given the condition, the value will continue to appreciate. LLS

[DLCTEX]

You are making me drool on the keyboard!

[robpete]

You are making me drool on the keyboard!

Sorry! It is going to be a hard one to part with.

[felix]

Yep, they were on the firing line, along with Browning's equivalent purpose gun, but in numbers quite short of the mod 41. I liked them both more than the 41 in feel, but more smithies had parts for the 41 than the other two. Pat, my wife, and I were members of the Bear's Club, where most home matches were held at the Colt indoor range in downtown Hartford. The majority of the smithies in the city area league worked for Colt full time and knew all of these guns inside and out. Funny, the Colt guns were outclassed by a long shot and everybody knew it. DON'T sell the gun! It's that good. ... felix

[high standard 40]

I have one of those that I purchased in the early 80s. I am rather attached to mine. So much so that I could retire the national debt with the money it would take to get it away from me. Nice snag.

[M-Tecs]

I bought this exact and identical pistol five years ago except that mine is also marked HD Military. I paid $500.- then and considered it a very good deal. No box or papers came with it. A check on the serial number established the year of manufacture to be 1972.

LLS if you check I think you will find you have High Standard Supermatic Trophy Military http://www.histandard.info/models/

The HD Military ended production in 1950 with a few old balls assembled until 1956. It is much different pistol with an exposed hammer. Nice one for sale here http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?208554-WTS-WTT-High-Standard-Military-H-D

I purchase my High Standard Supermatic Trophy Military 106 a couple of years ago for the same price of $500.00 as you did but mine came with the box and manual.

[nighthunter]

That is the High Standard Citation. It does not take a muzzle brake. Those milled slots at the end of the barrel are for adding weights to have better control during the rapid fire round of a match. It is an outstanding handgun that is not made any longer but the demand for them is quite high. The last one I saw for sale by a dealer was Cabela's in West Virginia. This was about 5 years ago and I remember they were asking $1300 for it. I remember because I have one exactly like it that I bought brand new for $220. It is a very very sweet 22 handgun. You might be better off keeping it and shooting it. If you try it you will probably never again consider selling it. My son will inheret mine at some point. I won my share of matches with mine and it will never be for sale.

Nighthunter

[popper]

I paid $~65 for the standard bull model in mid 60s. HS buddy still has it and won't sell it back. Unless you just don't like a good pistol, I'd keep it.

[M-Tecs]

Williamwaco

High Standard Muzzle Brake for sale here. New production http://highstandardpartsonline.com/high-standard-muzzle-brake-stabilizer-p-12.html

I purchased an original from another forum for $50.00. If you search the come up occasionally.

One sold here for $101.00 http://www.gunauction.com/buy/5495225/high-standard-muzzle-brake

New Pistols and parts from High Standard Houston here http://www.highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons#pistols

robpete - If you are planning on shooting it the 102’s through 107’s have a reported issue of frame cracking with high velocity ammo so it is recommended to shoot standard velocity only and replace the slide spring if its weak.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-113188.html

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?131278-Hi-Standard-Citation/page2

[wv109323]

I don't think that is a Model 104. It is a 106 or 107. The value depends on where it was made. The Hamden guns are the most desirable and expensive. They are thought to be higher quality and bettered finished(better bluing). From the picture it looks like a Hamden gun. The East Hartford guns were second. They had some quality control problems as the company was in financial trouble at the time of the move from Hamden to East Hartford. The Texas guns had major problems early on but I understand they have got their act together.. Value also depends on how many magazines are with it. Extra mags may mean $50.00 extra to a shooter. The 7 1/4" barrel is usually slightly more accurate. The 7 1/4 Gun I had would print about 1/8 to 1/4" smaller groups than the 5" barrel. But the 5" barrel is more desirable to the Bullseye shooter because of better balance especially if you mount optics.
The value should be around $500 but magazines would add to that. If it is a Hamden gun maybe $550. Actually the model you have is pretty common and are commonly used in Bullseye even today.

[Echo]

That is the High Standard Citation. It does not take a muzzle brake.
Nighthunter

Wrong. The scallops on the side of the muzzle are for attaching a muzzle brake. When I started shooting in the USAF I was issued a Space gun (long bbl Hi-Standard w/muzzle brake & weights). Later I won a HS Military in a Command match, and loved it. I ran a base match once, and to demonstrate firing procedure (focus, concentration, ritual) I used the HS @ 25 yds on the base range. Five rounds timed fire. Told 'em what I was going to do, did it, told 'em what I did. Then went down to the target and covered all 5 shots with one paster, in the X-ring. Normal, for that gun.
If you really want to sell the gun, sell it. But you will be hard pressed to come up with a replacement that will shoot as well.

[John Allen]

These are great shooters. I bought one about two years ago for a great deal $300.00 I however usually see them at 500.00 to 550.00

[fourarmed]

An ML series gun with that low a serial number should be a Hamden gun. I concur: $500 to $600 is about the going rate, depending on who is selling it and where.

[robpete]

How do I properly identify which model it actually is? I just assumed 104 because i saw a few like it.

[high standard 40]

It's not a "Citation" model. It looks like a "Trophy". These two models were identical except the Citation had silver accents and the Trophy had gold accents. The two small scallops on each side of the barrel just behind the muzzle are indeed for attaching a brake, which was an optional part, at least it was when I purchased mine. Barrel weights were attached to the bottom center of the barrel. Some models came driled and taped for these weights, mine did not. I had my barrel D&T by a smith and I purchased the weights for mine. I can best describe the weights as being round steel stock cut on a angle.

So I would venture to say what you have is a HS Trophy. It looks identical to mine in every way.

Here's a photo I pulled off the net. The under barrel weights are just like mine but the brake on this one is a little different.

http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/highstandard40/HS-Trophy_zps0df47a45.jpg (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/highstandard40/media/HS-Trophy_zps0df47a45.jpg.html)

[Tatume]

http://www.gunsamerica.com/925625754/High_Standard_Supermatic_Trophy.htm

This one is representative of what I've seen. I'd like to have one too, so keep us posted if you decide to sell it.

[robpete]

It's 100% a supermatic trophy. I was just curious about the numerical designation.

[243winxb]

I still own this one. http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/Items%20for%20Sale%20%20-Gunbroker/HighStandard1.jpg Sold 5 1/2" bbl. http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/Items%20for%20Sale%20%20-Gunbroker/HighStandard22LR1.jpg Sold the 22 Short Conversion kit. http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/Items%20for%20Sale%20%20-Gunbroker/22ShortHighStandard.jpg Original High Standard issue No. 3 June 1, 1977 sporting firearms parts catalog. In average condition for 30+ years old. Not a reprint. Also included, a price list of the same vintage for sale. $25 + $7 Shipping. http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/Items%20for%20Sale%20%20-Gunbroker/HighStandard.jpg

[high standard 40]

It's 100% a supermatic trophy. I was just curious about the numerical designation.

I still have the original box and papers for mine. The label simply states Trophy Model, Miltary grip. There is also a four digit SKU number 9248. If you were asking if it is a 107, 106, etc. there is no reference as such. Just Supermatic Trophy. I worked as a salesman at a High Standard distributor back in the early 80s. Selling these guns was my everyday job, and I sold thousands of them. All of our paperwork at that time designated them as Trophy, Citation, Victor, 10X, Sharpshooter, ETC. This was just before High Standard folded and was purchased and moved fromConn. to the Houston area.

[243winxb]

If you were asking if it is a 107, 106, etc. there is no reference as such. The parts catalog list guns as 107 106 others. Found link http://www.histandard.info/manuals/partsbook/0106B/

[high standard 40]

The parts catalog list guns as 107 106 others. Found link http://www.histandard.info/manuals/partsbook/0106B/

I was talking about the box that the actual gun came in there is NO reference to 106 or 107

[243winxb]

I was talking about the box that the actual gun came in there is NO reference to 106 or 107 Very true. Edit/Add- Condition is everything, when it comes to price. Many rounds may have been put down the tube. Some may have thin rifling, where the lands are not as high as they should be.

[gravely]

I purchased a HS supermatic citation not as pretty as this one at a gun show 6 or 7 years ago for $650, so I would think this pistol is worth at least $700. I shoot mine in Bullseye 2700 matches but you don't very many HS on the line these days.

[rintinglen]

I purchased a HS supermatic citation not as pretty as this one at a gun show 6 or 7 years ago for $650, so I would think this pistol is worth at least $700. I shoot mine in Bullseye 2700 matches but you don't very many HS on the line these days.

+1 I don't know where these 500 dollar H-S pistols are, but at least here on the left coast, I haven't seen one for sale under 650 in years--maybe not even this century. It would go for 700 easily, perhaps a high as 800.

[harvester]

Look on the frame for the model number. My model 107 says "model 107 Military" on the frame side opposite side from Supermatic. Mine is a Hamden gun.

[s1120]

As was said I belive thats a 106 or 107... check out http://www.histandard.info/ and also rimfire central. Lots of good info there. I have a 103 tournament and a 104 citation. they are great pistols