Best Boolit for 9mm BE 50 yrd Accuracy

[catmandu]

I'm looking for input on what Boolit has given good accuracy for 50 yrd BE shooting?

I have a 92FS with a KKM barrel.

Not to interested in 7 yrd groups.

Would prefer any load info also if possible.

Thanks in advance.

Paul in WNY

[fecmech]

Any of the truncated cone 120's have given me very good accuracy. The lee 120 TC, Lyman 356402 and the RCBS 124CN. The Lee 120 and RCBS bullet will both stay under 2"@50 yds in my K38 revolver and 3moa out of my lever rifles at 100 yds. Those designs will shoot as well as your pistol is capable of. My box stock Browning BHP would do 1.5"@25 yds with those bullets.

[bobthenailer]

First i would get at least 500 new starline 9MM brass so you have the same lot number , then resize the brass and trim to one length of your choise within min-max specs. i usually trim to min length !

for 50 yard accuracy of 2" try Hornday 124gr fmj and 6.0grs of power pistol powder @1250 fps.all loads use WW std primers

loads that have grouped 2" or slightly better at 25 yards but may shoot better in your gun ?
Nosler 115gr jhp 5.5 gr WSF @1135 fps
----------------- 7.2 HS6----@ 1122 fps

Speer 115 gr jsp 5.0 gr WSF @ 980 fps
------------------ 6.6 gr HS6 @1024 fps

Hornday 147 gr hp-xtp WSF 4.1 gr @937 fps
------------------------HS6 4.9 gr @ 835 fps

if useing cast i have had great sucess with the Saeco 929 145gr swc sized @ 357 dia even if the bore slugs at 355 dia in several 9mms & 38 supers , also ive allways gotten my best absulate accuracy with med fast to med burn rate powders over the typical fast burning powders such as Bullseye & Tightgroup powder in the 9 & super

[Larry Gibson]

Any of the truncated cone 120's have given me very good accuracy. The lee 120 TC, Lyman 356402 and the RCBS 124CN. The Lee 120 and RCBS bullet will both stay under 2"@50 yds in my K38 revolver and 3moa out of my lever rifles at 100 yds. Those designs will shoot as well as your pistol is capable of. My box stock Browning BHP would do 1.5"@25 yds with those bullets.

+1 on the 3 bullets mentioned. I have used them all in numerous 9mm handguns over the years and have found them to give the most consistent accuracy. My go to load is 4 gr Bullseye with all. I currently use the Lee 120 TC because the 6 cavity mould cast excellent bullets quickly.

Larry Gibson

[Tatume]

What is BE shooting?

[BruceB]

BE= Bullseye

In 1966, the Canadian NRA-style Bullseye championship (i.e.: 25 and 50 yards) was won by a Mr Andre Roy with a MUCH-modified 9mm Luger pistol. In February 1967, at the First Canada Winter Games in Quebec City, I met Mr. Roy and actually had a chance to fire his wonderful Luger.

I would have loved to try it at 50 yards, but in February, in Canada, pistol shooting is pretty-much an indoor endeavor. Andre had already proven the accuracy of his pistol and loads, of course. I recall that his loads used cast bullets, at least the ones he gave me to test-fire....at 20 yards it was VERY accurate.

Obviously, the CARTRIDGE is capable.

[catmandu]

[QUOTE=fecmech;2364097]Any of the truncated cone 120's have given me very good accuracy. The lee 120 TC, Lyman 356402 and the RCBS 124CN. The Lee 120 and RCBS bullet will both stay under 2"@50 yds in my K38 revolver and 3moa out of my lever rifles at 100 yds. Those designs will shoot as well as your pistol is capable of.

I have the 356402 but not the 124 RCBS, I have the 115gr RN RCBS.
I will try these. Thanks for the advise.

Paul

[catmandu]

That's good information Bob, Thanks.
I knew about the jacketed bullets and the AMU or Marine Load.
I just want an accurate lead load that I can cast.
The Saeco 929 is interesting. I have an aluminum 2 cave that looks like that with the bevel base cut off. Like a H&G 68 in 9 mm. It's finning and I need to give it some TLC to correct it.

Question on the new Starling brass advise. I was told Federal is good, that it has straight walls so the taper does not squeeze the base smaller than sized diameter when seated. Any comments?

Was also told that Green Dot was a good medium burning powder for cast in a 9 mm.

Paul in WNY

[catmandu]

What is BE shooting?

Sorry BE is Bullseye or Conventional Pistol.
Slow fire At 50 yrds.
Timed and rapid at 25 yrds.
All one handed (at least it was till the last Rule meeting )

Repeat till 270 shots fired.

Paul in WNY

[wv109323]

I went over to the Bullseye forum and got this info. This is for CMP competition. These loads were from top competitors:
4.8 to 5.0 gn of VV N340
115 Precision delta FMJ
1.120 to 1.145 OAL
.376 to .378 Crimp

Next
Beretta 92 with 1:32 twist KKM
Sierra 115 FMJ Tournament Master
1.127 OAL
.377 Crimp
4.8 gn. of VV N340
1120 FPS
Next
KKM barrel
115 Zero FMJ
5.1 WSF
1.130 OAL
.377 Crimp

[MtGun44]

I have had good results with Lee 356 120 TC conventional lube, currently using a
6 cav mold. NRA 50-50 or LBT soft blue work well, too.

I have not tested this beyond 25 yds, but it has been accurate at that range.

Bill

[noylj]

From my experience, best accuracy comes from sizing and measuring all cases and saving all that are 0.749-0.754", if you can find any. I find 121-125gn bullets are best. 124gn L-SWC is slightly better than 124gn L-CFN.
Next, after firing, sizing just enough to chamber.
Finally, loading lead bullets so they just kiss the lede/rifling.
Power Pistol at 6.0gn is an excellent load, but rather warm. 4.0-4.2gn of 231/HP38 and 3.5-4.0gn are good places to test.
Since powders are hard to come by, here are some other powders:
I don't like Clays, but 3.9-3.0gn is accurate. Herco can be surprisingly accurate from 5.0-5.4gn. N320 is great from 3.4-3.6gn. PB, a very clean burning powder, is good from 3.4-4.0gn. Solo 1000 from 3.0-3.4gn. SR4756 is really good at 5.0 and accurate from 4.8-5.5gn. SR7625 is good from 4.0-4.2gn. TiteGroup, another powder I don't care for--particularly with lead bullets--has done well any way from 3.2-4.0gn, generally being better as you go up in charge weight.
As-cast SAECO #924 is my choice, with a light tumble lube of LLA.

[catmandu]

wv109323
Thanks for the loads. Another is the Sams Load (copied from BE-L)
A 9mm load that I have been using for testing (both in barrels and completed upgraded 92's) that has been proven sub 1.5" groups at 50 yds out of the barrel test fixture is as follows:
• Starline brass
• 115gr Hornady FMJ-RN bullet
• 6.0 - 6.2gr Alliant Power Pistol powder
• Rem #5 1/2 SP primers
• O.A.L. -- 1.120" no-crimp
Out of the barrel test fixture using Bar-Sto barrels groups have consistently run between .975" to 1.5" averaging about 1".
Through my completed 92F's it's been running 1.3" -- 1.5" as a reminder these are hand-loaded.

Also the Marines Load (from BE-L archive)

Subject: RE: [Bullseye-L] Star replacement
The original Marine load was 4.4 grains of VV N310. In January of last year,
they changed to 4.0 grains of VV N310 with no reported loss of accuracy or
functioning. However, by the time they got to Camp Perry last summer, they were
using Factory Federal, at least for slow fire. Seems they had "quality control"
problems with their reloading. They did well when just a few experienced
Marines were doing the reloading but when they spread the task around so that
everyone took his turn, things didn't work so well. Regards, John Gemmill.

[catmandu]

I've read reference to a 9mm version of the H&G 68, (may have been made by Penn)
Does anybody know about the mould for this Boolit?
Resembles the H&G 275 without the bevel base.

Paul in WNY

[MtGun44]

The Lee 105 gr SWC is pretty close to a H&G 68 scaled down to 9mm size and works
quite well in that cartridge.

Bill

[Bigslug]

If you're thinking the HG68 profiled in 9mm, Ballisticast has the following:

#864 is a 125gr bevel base
#875 is too
#918 plain base SWC. . .

. . .although BC seems be be backordered by quite a bit of late. Accurate has the 35-115B which seems to follow the 68 concept pretty closely, though with a plain base and a square grease groove.

Good that you've got an accurate jacketed load also. I've never looked into the 9mm restrictions in the rules for the E.I.C. matches, but if you're shooting a .45, most of the usual bells and whistles for the 1911 (like extended safeties & beavertails) are verboten, and if you're shooting for leg points, hardball is what you have to shoot.