Indoor IPSC smoke problem

[sig552]

Hello gentleman,

I have a lube question. I shoot a lot of lead through my 1911 and have recently started using Lyman Ideal Lube (LLA before that and jacketed bullets before that). The problem is the smoke. We shoot at an indoor range and after shooting a stage (25-35 rounds fired) there is a lot of smoke. I am shooting SAECO home cast 200gr. SWC's at 860fps.

Can anyone recommend a lube (RCBS LAM II) that is good and doesn't smoke as much?

Thanks in advance for any tips,

Mark

[WilliamDahl]

I would think that the solution would be to shoot first and then let the smoke screen act to your advantage by hindering the subsequent shooters. :)

[imashooter2]

I've found FWFL to smoke very little. If you prefer to buy rather than make, White Label Carnauba Red is a good choice.

[sig552]

Thanks guy, I just placed an order for some WL Carnuba Red!

[wcp4570]

I agree with imashooter2 about White Label lube but I think carnauba red requires heat to flow in your sizer. I use the BAC lube and it does not require heat to apply and the smoke is very minimal. To top it off his prices are very good for the quality lube you receive.

wcp

[rexherring]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?200892-All-my-Products-descriptions-and-uses

Try the TAC1 that Randyrat has. It's been working for me on just about everything I load. Lowest smoke I've used so far, even in the indoor range here.

[sig552]

I agree with imashooter2 about White Label lube but I think carnauba red requires heat to flow in your sizer.
wcp

I have the Lyman heater underneath my LAM II so that shouldn't be a problem, thanks.

[Moonie]

Keep in mind that it isn't always just the lube. My 200gr 45acp loads lubed with 45/45/10 smoke quite a bit when I use Unique but very little when I use Clays. Some powder/lube combinations smoke more than others.

[wcp4570]

Sig
Sounds like you are set to use the carnauba red. The BAC lube has some alox in it so its not completely some free but it is close. Here is the link to white label lubes, have a look around.
http://www.lsstuff.com/

wcp

[Russel Nash]

I have shot unlubed boolits and they still smoke. Solo 1000 and Winchester Super Target are supposed to be the least smokey powders.

[Ausglock]

Most indoor ranges in Australia will not let you shoot lubed lead.
You must use jacketed, plated or coated bullets due to airbourne lead.
Most use coated lead for economic reasons.

[dverna]

Ausglock,

I have no idea how lube can cause lead issues in the air. It makes no sense. There is lead from the primer compound and lead dust from the bullets hitting the back stop. I can understand ranges not wanting lubed bullets because some yahoos mix all sorts of junk into lubes and some can smoke and stink but that is not airborne lead. Do they allow uncoated .22's?

[Boolseye]

I have no idea how lube can cause lead issues in the air.
The lube doesn't cause the lead to vaporize, the bullet screaming down the barrel does.

[Ausglock]

there is a background lead level that is used as a baseline. then there is the excessive levels from lead bullets being fired.
Not sure of the technical terms. HI-TEK knows heaps more about it. He has test data from a NATA accredited lab from testing done at one of the largest indoor ranges in Australia.

[leadman]

The Hi-Tek lube/coating that came to us from Australia encapsulates the boolit so it does not cause additional airborne lead. I think the color tested was the gold for airborne lead.
I am using it and can attest that there is no more smoke than when shooting jacketed.

One can read about it in the sticky at the top of the page.

[geargnasher]

If the ventilation system can't cope with lube smoke, how is it coping with primer residue?

Gear

[Russel Nash]

I used to shoot at an indoor range every Tuesday night for an IDPA style match. The ventilation system was horrible. My blood lead levels went down after I stopped shooting there.

[fastglock]

Try powder coating. Tumble method. Works awesome for pistols. I don't shoot indoors but when there is no wind, and shooting USPSA classifier strings in a box , somtimes I have to wait till the smoke clears to continue shooting(using lubed boolits)

BTW my guns are much cleaner. Just like when I used to shoot jacketed.:grin:

[randyrat]

TAC 1 is the answer if you intend on using conventional lubes.