Star sizer for sizing glocked 9mm brass?

[kayak1]

I am having an issue with some glocked 9mm brass that I have been picking up.

I was wondering if anybody thought it would be possible to get a punch and die for the star to size the bottom 1/32nd of the case that the sizing die doesn't touch on the case.

I had thought that one needed something like a casepro as 9mm cases are tapered but Magma has this:
http://www.magmaengineering.com/component/banners/click/10/

[captaint]

Kayak - Were it me, I wouldn't throw 300 bux (if I'm looking at the right thing) for a sizer to do Glocked brass. Any Glocked brass that won't size up OK, (and the vast majority does come out all right) I just throw in the recycle can. 9mm brass seems to show up everywhere, anyway. Just my .02. Mike Edit to say that Lee makes an arrangement that costs WAY less and the reviews are quite good.

[kayak1]

Kayak - Were it me, I wouldn't throw 300 bux (if I'm looking at the right thing) for a sizer to do Glocked brass. Any Glocked brass that won't size up OK, (and the vast majority does come out all right) I just throw in the recycle can. 9mm brass seems to show up everywhere, anyway. Just my .02. Mike Edit to say that Lee makes an arrangement that costs WAY less and the reviews are quite good.

I was thinking of a $42 lathesmith die that would go into the star sizer. One would lube the case and have it pushed though the die to fix the case. I could toss all my 9's into it once then just worry about (and fix) the extras I found at the range.

[VHoward]

Kayak - Were it me, I wouldn't throw 300 bux (if I'm looking at the right thing) for a sizer to do Glocked brass. Any Glocked brass that won't size up OK, (and the vast majority does come out all right) I just throw in the recycle can. 9mm brass seems to show up everywhere, anyway. Just my .02. Mike Edit to say that Lee makes an arrangement that costs WAY less and the reviews are quite good.
Lee does not make the bulge buster for 9mm due to the 9mm case being tapered.

[kayak1]

Lee does not make the bulge buster for 9mm due to the 9mm case being tapered.

I was guessing that he was talking about the under size resizing die (I have one and it didn't help). Your correct in that they don't make the push through bulge buster, thus I was surprised that Magma a push through setup. My issue is just the widest part of the case, thus I thought of the star sizer...

[ReloaderFred]

I have the Magma Case Master Jr. for 9mm, .40/10mm and .45 acp. It works well, but you need lots and lots of leverage to push a case all the way through even a carbide die, which the Jr. has. Even with carbide, it's necessary to lube the cases. That's why the Case Master Jr. is built on an arbor press. Sometimes even the arbor press is a chore if you get a case that's expanded more than normal.

The Star isn't capable of that kind of leverage, and you'd end up breaking it. I have six Star sizers and I wouldn't even attempt to push a case through one of them.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[kayak1]

Fred,
Thanks for the advice, I will drop the idea.

[6bg6ga]

I am having an issue with some glocked 9mm brass that I have been picking up.

I was wondering if anybody thought it would be possible to get a punch and die for the star to size the bottom 1/32nd of the case that the sizing die doesn't touch on the case.

I had thought that one needed something like a casepro as 9mm cases are tapered but Magma has this:
http://www.magmaengineering.com/component/banners/click/10/


I will agree that you cannot size the entire case. In my experience reloading 9mm for Glock using Dillon dies in a 650 have had noticed zero problems associated with not sizing the entire length of the case. I have noticed this with the 380 that I reload also and have had no problems with the 380 in my Wather PPK/S. So, why is it important to resize all the way down? I experience zero problems.

[kayak1]

I will agree that you cannot size the entire case. In my experience reloading 9mm for Glock using Dillon dies in a 650 have had noticed zero problems associated with not sizing the entire length of the case. I have noticed this with the 380 that I reload also and have had no problems with the 380 in my Wather PPK/S. So, why is it important to resize all the way down? I experience zero problems.

I too have a Dillon 650 with dillon dies. About 5% of my brass won't chamber or pass the case guage. Before I started casting this was a much bigger deal as I wasn't melting the pulled bullet down. It would still be nice to start loading with known good brass.

[Randy C]

I save my brass that wont chamber until I buy a Magma Case Master Jr, or use as bullet jackets for 40sw.

[gunoil]

i ordered a lee buldge buster kit for 9mm. Custom order, had to wait a lil'.

[Randy C]

i ordered a lee buldge buster kit for 9mm. Custom order, had to wait a lil'.

I should do the same and save some money. How much did it cost and how long did they say it would take?
Randy

[remy3424]

I have a Glock 9 and have never experienced any problems with the glock bulge, maybe I don't reload to +P levels to have this happen. I have likely had cases fired though the glock 5 or 6 times and now many are being fed though an XDm with zero problems. I had began to think the bulge problem was only with other cartridges ie 40, 10mm, 45s, 357 sig. I full length size with a Lyman carbide die.

[kayak1]

I have a Glock 9 and have never experienced any problems with the glock bulge, maybe I don't reload to +P levels to have this happen. I have likely had cases fired though the glock 5 or 6 times and now many are being fed though an XDm with zero problems. I had began to think the bulge problem was only with other cartridges ie 40, 10mm, 45s, 357 sig. I full length size with a Lyman carbide die.

Some Glocks have barrels that don't fully support the brass. From what I have read early Glock 17's were know for this.

This is a picture of Glocked brass:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.wingman26.com/images/shooting/glock-brass-3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t%3D312004&h=324&w=415&sz=11&tbnid=sfz73aK3kxV6gM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=116&zoom=1&usg=__BKSCc159TPkcEjkoH0uy5gKogg0=&docid=MDkw6VnZ0c2JxM&itg=1&sa=X&ei=cC4WUuj9G7S54APS0YHQBg&sqi=2&ved=0CEUQ9QEwAw&dur=411
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=312004

[Dusty Bannister]

Bulged brass like that goes in the recycle bucket. Brass is too cheap to try and make do with over stressed cases.
Dusty

[remy3424]

good pic kayak, I have never even seen anything budged like that! I have never even picked-up range brass with anything noticeable for a budge. Now I see what the stink is about reloading those streached cases...indexed in the chamber the same twice or 3 times...looks like the weak link for sure.

[VHoward]

I wouldn't own a gun that did that to my brass no matter how glamourus the brand name.

[kayak1]

The issue I have is I pickup and load range brass and I don't know it's glocked brass (not all of it is that obvious) until it hits the case gauge or my gun. I have attempted to fixed bad brass that didn't chamber (after it was sized and loaded with my Dillon dies) with the the Lee undersize die without any luck.

[VHoward]

Around here in Oregon, the brass rats are too quick for me to find any extra brass laying around where I go shoot. So I only bring home what I took.

[RoGrrr]

I have much 9 brass and a small percentage of it won't chamber in my EMP. It all fits the Rock Island but we know about them. What bothers me is that the Dillon feeds and loads it all and then I'm stuck at the range with a round that won't lock into battery. I can hammer the back of the slide to persuade it to lock but I don't want to do that to my EMP or the Hi-Power.
The base is .391 but the rim is .394. Magma's CASE MASTER pushes it all thru but I don't know what the inside diameter of their die is. YET. I plan to call and ask what the I.D of their die is. I have over 1000 rounds loaded and my plan is to have lathesmith make a die and put it in a hydraulic press to push the rounds thru. I will also have a boolit trap in front of it in case one lights off.

[kayak1]

I have much 9 brass and a small percentage of it won't chamber in my EMP. It all fits the Rock Island but we know about them. What bothers me is that the Dillon feeds and loads it all and then I'm stuck at the range with a round that won't lock into battery. I can hammer the back of the slide to persuade it to lock but I don't want to do that to my EMP or the Hi-Power.
The base is .391 but the rim is .394. Magma's CASE MASTER pushes it all thru but I don't know what the inside diameter of their die is. YET. I plan to call and ask what the I.D of their die is. I have over 1000 rounds loaded and my plan is to have lathesmith make a die and put it in a hydraulic press to push the rounds thru. I will also have a boolit trap in front of it in case one lights off.

I like the hydraulic press idea, but I would pull the bullet and powder first. Getting a case gauge will show the problem ones that need to be fixed. I checked a full 50call box the other night it's fairly quick.

[RoGrrr]

I have so many loaded (about 1000) that I'm not going to pull them all down to resize. I'll check each of them in the barrel and those that fail to seat will be "treated". Depends on how many I have, what I'll do about them.
Being a machinist and can weld, and having an electric hydraulic pump and a cylinder, I'll build a setup to do all the work for me. I'm looking into my options for the sizing die.


I like the hydraulic press idea, but I would pull the bullet and powder first. Getting a case gauge will show the problem ones that need to be fixed. I checked a full 50call box the other night it's fairly quick.

[HATCH]

. I have over 1000 rounds loaded and my plan is to have lathesmith make a die and put it in a hydraulic press to push the rounds thru. I will also have a boolit trap in front of it in case one lights off.

Get a lee carbide factory crimp die.
Put it in a toolhead by itself. Unscrew the crimp stem.
It will base size the 9mm and you should be good to go.

I.run a 550b and just bought lee carbide dies with the fcd (carbide)
no more problem for.me.

Sorry for the extra periods. On my phone

[RoGrrr]

I spoke with Magma today about their sizing die. He said it's about .388 to allow for some springback. I mentioned that I plan to push completed cartridges thru it with hydraulic assist and he didn't have any objection to that. As long as I don't push on the primer it should be ok.
He also mentioned that Glock is the worst for deforming brass.

[SODAPOPMG]

i pick up a lot of range brass fired in i don't know what but if i ever came across brass that had bulges like that they would hit the scrap bin fast
i size/deprime all my brass then check the brass in a loaded round gage, if it fails it hits the scrap barrel before it gets loaded and causes problems at the range

[gunoil]

the lee 9mm bulge buster kit is a makarov die, they (lee) may have done somthing to it. Works great. You can machine some off bottom of different sizers to get dwn far enough. But this one is a push thru kit. It takes alot of force.

[Valley-Shooter]

I think it would be easier to shoot those loaded rounds in a Glock with a loose chamber.
1. You get to shoot a gun.
2. You can collect the bad brass and fix it or trash it.
3. You save a lot of time.

[Chris C]

When I started reloading .40 S&W that I shot out of my Model 27 Glock, I was warned about the "Glock buldge". So I just started pushing the brass through a sizer I bought from NOE. Worked just fine. However, I hated having the extra step. So I bought a KKM competition barrel which supports the brass just fine. Problem solved. Besides, the KKM barrel grouped my shots a whole lot better than the factory barrel.

[Youngtimer]

My first post. I had the same issue with the bulge in the area where the size die cannot reach. I purchased a Magma case master Jr. arbor press and push through die that I use to remove the bulge on 9mm brass that is fired in a UZI. Reloaded brass that came out of it and not pushed through the case master will not stack correctly in the magazine and I had all sorts of feeding problems. I purchased it over 20 years ago and it took care of the problem.

Jim

[6bg6ga]

I use RCBS dies and never had a problem sizing the brass I have or manage to find by simply running the die down to the point where I contact the case holder gently. This seems to provide full sizing for me with no Glock bulge. The same is true when sizing my 40cal brass.

[HATCH]

I bought a case pro for my 40 loading
my buddy has a Camdex case processor for 9mm

[GONRA]

GONRA agrees with 6bg6ga in the sense that I usa RCBS resizing die in my Dillon 650.

These particular RCBS resizing dies hava small entrance radius.
There MAY be other (later mfg?) RCBS that hava larger entrance radius to better accommodate Progressive Reloaders?

May not be the BEST for Progressive Reloader Functioning, but resized cases are perfect. Just like Factory.
That’s all I care about!

Case are Range Pickups. Any Bad News has been discarded.

My "Glock 17" is the original 9mm when they first came out in the U.S. & A. – looong ago…
Just shot it, never tried to reload the brass. Maybe someday...
(It and the S&W Sigma SW9F copy are “plastic gun” curiosities in my Reference Collection. Won’t get shot much….)

[EDK]

I'm a brass scrounger. All brass goes through the appropriate DILLON case gauge. The 45acp GLOCK factory barrels were the worst offenders. Happiness is spelled KKM.
IF it doesn't pass the case gauge, it was worth $1.12 at the recycling center/scrap yard last week.