Test3: Hubel-FH-BlazingSabot-inspired loads and pictures

[cpileri]

Test 3 of Hubel-FH-BlazingSabot-Dixie-inspired loads in NEF USH

Note: I read that the tri-ball loads can be fired in rifled barrels and maintain tight groups; so whether I test them in the USH (rifled) or a smoothbore 870 will be noted in the text. 870 is basically factory, w 3” chambered 20” smoothbore barrel w rifle sights, and has the old style folding knoxx-recoil reducing stock. That’s it.

Test was cut short today, so I only tested one new load of interest to you, maybe two. More next time!

Date: 06 Aug 2013
Elevation: 764ft
Temp: 100degF
Wind: 9mph NNW
Humidity: 50%
Platform: NEF/H&R Ultra Slug Hunter, chamber reamed to 3.5”, 24” fully rifled bbl, forcing cone polished and smoothly blends w beginning of rifling, stock and forearm weighted: balance point ~1inch forward of trigger , total weight 12+lbs w/ scope, hammer w/ offset spur installed
Scope: el cheapo BSA 1x25 red dot w 3 MOA dot (have Bushnell TRS-25 to install, but haven’t yet)
Target distance: 30 yds unless otherwise specified

Notes: this weighted, heavy, gun was fired from seated “double gun” position (hand under forearm and resting hand/wrist on stand, gun to shoulder, body leaning in; pulling snugly both down and into shoulder. No shooting jacket nor shoulder pad though- too hot outside!) Buttstock has really squishy pad on it (*). As before, muzzle flipped a lot (need to move balance forward w/ more weight but wont do that until a proper barrel clamp is had) and stock slipped down off shoulder w each shot of heavy loads; but still absolutely no discomfort at all.

(*)this pad: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00081Q7E4/ref=oh_details_o04_s01_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Load: .600 tri-ball (~313gr each ball)
Hull: Fio 3”
Primer: Fio 616
Powder & Charge: 27gr Blue Dot
Wad column: TUPRW123 (orange) dusted w 0.5micron hexagonal Boron Nitride
Load: 3x.60” hardcast lead balls w no space btw bottom ball and base of wad cup, no space btw balls; and Precision Reloading teflon buffer (2.2cc) tapped/vibrated in around balls
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: 2 with clear OS disc w roll crimp, 1 with just fold crimp
Platform: 870 as above
Notes: This was very cool! Check out the picture, abt a 3” group at 30yds. Nice punch in the shoulder but not unbearable. I fired 3 shots pretty quickly. Note from pic that wads were not blown, nor were case heads expanded (admittedly visibly), no flat primers, but there were extractor mkarks on all cases very evident. I love this load!

Load: Baikal Round Ball w Malt-o-Meal
Hull: Grey Win HS 2.75”
Primer: CCI 209
Powder & Charge: 17.5 Green Dot
Wad column: Win12AA
Load: 20ga HCW in shot cup, then 2.5cc Malt-O-Meal, then .678 Round Ball (intended for .727 bore)
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: fold (neat this time, w a press. Oooooo, ahhhhhh!)
Notes: I tried the “cream of wheat’ theory that we were discussing on other thread on pumpkin Balls, only I only had Malt-o-Meal. Many, it totally worked! 3 holes touching. Best ever! Will lower to 2.2 or 2 cc next time as crimps started to open after loading. Still, I think this is a success story. Maybe next time I’ll try COW, or …grits? 


Next test (#4) will be after I make a chamber cast to get my OAL correct. It will include these loads which I didn’t get to test today for cutting it short:

Load: .610 tri-ball (~335gr each ball)
Hull: Fio 3”
Primer: Fio 616
Powder & Charge: 27gr Blue Dot
Wad column: TUPRW123 (orange) dusted w 0.5micron hexagonal Boron Nitride
Load: 3x.610” hardcast lead balls w no space btw bottom ball and base of wad cup, no space btw balls; and Precision Reloading teflon buffer (2.2cc) tapped/vibrated in around balls
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: clear OS disc w roll crimp
Platform:
Notes: I know the tri-Ball loads specify 28-29gr Blue Dot, but since I had the heavier .61 cal (335gr) balls, I decided to lower it. The total weight of the bigger 335gr balls with buffer is 1020gr. There are 2&1/4 oz lead shot loads published that go to 34gr blue Dot, so I think 27gr is safe.


Load: 775 lead slug
Hull: Fio 3”
Primer: Fio 616
Powder & Charge: 45gr Lil’Gun
Wad column: X12X over powder, felt filler wad, .170 hard card wad under slug
Load: 775gr .730 lead slug
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: roll
Notes:


Load: 605 Lead slug
Hull: Fed 3”
Primer: Fed 209
Powder & Charge: 100gr Reloader-17 (*)
Wad column: X12X over powder, felt filler wads, .17 HCW under slug
Load: 605gr .730 lead slug
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: roll
Notes: (*) Hubel says don’t go under 100gr Re-17 in a 12ga case, and this load can get up to 140gr Re-17 in the USH; but until I send it off to Tom Armbrust for actual pressure testing; well… I guess I am chicken. So I tried the lowest powder charge. Once I get real pressure data results, I will use more Re-17.

Load: 760gr lead slug
Hull: Fio 3”
Primer: Fio 616
Powder & Charge: 45gr Lil’Gun
Wad column: X12X, Fiber fill, HCW
Load: 760gr .730 lead slug
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: 2x roll, 1xfold
Notes:


Load: 1043 lead heavy
Hull: Fio 3”
Primer: Fio 616
Powder & Charge: 54gr IMR 4227
Wad column: X12X, 3/32 cork, .17HCW
Load: 1043gr hard cast lead slug- 2 rolled in HBN, 2 lubed w LBT soft blue in grooves
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: roll
Notes: this is a continuation of the previous 1043gr loads. Since the 50gr charge burned cleaner and was more accurate than the 48gr charge; I wanted to try a bit more. This load generates ~10.5kpsi and ~1050 fps from a 24” rifled test barrel.


Load: HP-CSD wad
Hull: Fio 3”
Primer: Fio 616
Powder & Charge: 50gr Lil’gun
Wad column: CSD wad, w fiber fillers in wad under slug- previously assembled by their creator (not me)
Load: 595gr lead slug in wad assembly (670gr total weight w wad assembly)
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: roll
Notes:

[cpileri]

Tri-Ball target!
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[cpileri]

Tri-ball wad
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[cpileri]

Baikal RB w Malt-O-Meal
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[cpileri]

A o/u 12ga over 30-06. Its not mine, but im working on a load for it for someone else.
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[SuperBlazingSabots]

Elite Musketeer Brother Cpileri, I'm enjoying your post, keep up the good work, just would like to see the pictures of the extraction marks and pressure signs you are getting.

Thanks for sharing your tests results, that's the way Ha Ha I like it!

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[cpileri]

Well, heres the whole story: i am developing the load for the baikal, but i am testing the loads in my Rossi overbored single shot. It just has a fiberoptic ( plastic) stick on front sight, no rear sight. You are right of course: i cant call the load good in just one group. But usually you can tell a lemon right away.

Ajay, here you go:

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78497

About the three o'clock position on each rim. What do u think?
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[jmort]

Based on the data, would the 1043 slug work with 27 grains of Blue Dot? What about 21 grains of Unique? Been following all your load development/testing and thanks for the work/data. I contacted Tom at Accurate and I'm probably going to get a 73-1000T double cavity slug mold. Only problem is that my calls and emails to Mossberg have yielded no info as to bore diameter specification. So far, all I got was that the choked guns are .731 but they are saying that their "lawyers" won't let them release any further info on cylinder bore or rifled bore diameters. Not happy with Mossberg as they should provide me with the requested information. I guess I'll slug the bore. Anyway, thanks again.

[cpileri]

Well, I suppose the Blue Dot would work w the 1000gr slug; considering the principle of "safety of equal weight slugs in shot loads' that we tend to go by. Not sure abt the Unique- have to look it up.
Seems like chickenshot (spelling deliberate) that Mossberg wants to make you buy then slug a barrel yourself. they could easily give the measurements, even if their tolerances are loose, as a ballpark or design spec number. Hmmm...
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[SuperBlazingSabots]

Good morning Musketeer Brother Cpileri, the picture is quite clear, you have reached the highest point in that load with that Fiocchi hull or perhaps passed it by 1/2 to
3/4 gr. of charge and now if you wish to push it further by 1/2 to 1 1/2 Max then now switch over to Federal hulls.

If you really liked that load and want to stick to it for your hunting etc, then now its the time to just change the hull to Federal and that's it.

We Elite slug shooters are not here to get hurt, this is what I have been trying to teach my Musketeer Brotherhood, to learn to read pressure signs all along, never switch hulls and to only use Fiocchi hulls during the first trial stages.

Thanks for sharing, you have become wiser now, Brother! ( With one more feather in your cap )

Here at this point my Savage thin extractor failed to extract the fired hulls:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/Extractormarkscopy.jpg (http://s232.photobucket.com/user/Dantebeowulf/media/Extractormarkscopy.jpg.html)
The Browning A Bolt has a much thicker wider extractor and it would have helped in this situation a great deal.
Any one going hunting after dangerous game should be sure to take that factor into consideration, get that extra protection!

Cpileri, thanks for sharing your tests results, that's the way Ha Ha I like it!

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[cpileri]

So I took a chamber cast of the USH, and turns out i have a pretty long chamber. At least it seems so, as i havento done this to any other 12ga 3.5" chambers. BTW, it took almost a full pound of cerrosafe to make this: in case anyone else wants to try it.


Chamber cast note: plan to use Cerrosafe which, for anyone who doesn’t know, an alloy of 42.5% Bismuth, 8.5% cadmium, 37.7% lead, 11.3% Tin which melts somewhere btw 158-190degF and then shrinks and then expands again over time; like this:
2 minutes - .0004"
6 minutes - .0007"
30 minutes - .0009"
1 hour +/- .0000"
2 hours + .0016"
5 hours + .0018"
7 hours + .0019"
10 hours + .0019"
24 hours + .0022"
96 hours + .0025"
200 hours + .0025"
500 hours + .0025"

Took all measurements at approx the . 60 . minute mark, of course.
Turns out forcing cone has a steeper “cone part’ and then a leading “pilot area” just before the rifling begins.
Chamber AOL (from base of rim/breechface to rifling): 112 mm
Chamber length (from base of rim to beginning of forcing cone: 96mm (just shy of 3.75 inches).
Steep “Cone part” of forcing cone: 7mm
“Pilot area” of forcing cone: 9mm

[cpileri]

78656Pictures coming!

[cpileri]

So my plan is to either load the 3.5" plastic cases or the 3.5" Rocky Mtn Ctg brass (when and if they all arrive in time) such that the slug either lies .01 or so off the rifling, or at least such that the slug -if the slug or sabot itself is long enough- engages the rifling when still supported by the case mouth. Hopefully, this will allow the most consistent entry of the slug and thus the most consistent accuracy.
What do you all think?
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[cpileri]

One more!
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[hubel458]

The sabots are 1.25" long so with a 3.5" case the sabots will be
into rifling before they are out of a plastic case.
As for loading brass cases you have to treat them like big power,
big bores, and load bullet ogive about .3-400" off the rifling so as
to moderate peak pressures. That still will give a real long OAL
if shooting a rifle shaped bullet.With a pointed bullet
OAL could be nearly 5"..Ed

[cpileri]

I cant wait to see one of those big ol cases loaded up! Like my "Too pretty to shoot' copper slug in brass, only BIGGER!
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[cpileri]

oops, double post.

[cpileri]

Ok, those chamber cast pics were blurry. So here is a drawing 78691

[cpileri]

Working on the line-up for Test Number 4. Here's part of it

Load: 375gr “green” jacketed slug
Hull: RMC brass 3”
Primer: Fed 209
Powder & Charge: 100gr Reloader-17 (*)
Wad column: X12X over powder, felt &cork filler wads, .17 HCW under slug
Load: 375gr .729 lead slug rolled in hBN powder
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: N/A (really tight slug-to- hull fit. Had to tap it in w a dowel and hammer)
Notes: (*) Hubel says don’t go under 100gr Re-17 in a 12ga case. But I am still unsure, that is: a chicken, enough lacking tested data that I might not even fire it. Once I get real pressure data results, I will use more Re-17. This load LOOKS really pretty, like the other brass/copper pic I posted.


Load: 375gr “green” jacketed slug
Hull: Fio 3.5”
Primer: Fio 616
Powder & Charge: 40gr Longshot
Wad column: X12X, felt/cork fillers, .17 NC under slug
Load: 375gr jacketed aluminum core slug .729 diam, rolled in HBN
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: fold
Notes: this powder charge gives 1460fps and 10.8kpsi under a 1&3/8oz Thunderbolt slug, so it should at least be safe. Whether its efficient or accurate or at all good is another question.



Load: Hubel sabot
Hull: fio 3.5”
Primer: fio 616
Powder & Charge: 55gr A.Steel
Wad column: x12x over powder, then 1/8” cork, ¼”felt, ¼”cork, then .17nc under sabot
Load: Hubel super sabot w ~440gr .578 minie ball lead conical, sabot rolled in hbn and cut the little nubbin off the bottom of the sabot
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: fold
Notes: high hopes for this load from rifled barrel!



Load: 3.5” tri-ball
Hull: CHEDDITE 3.5”
Primer: Fed 209A
Powder & Charge: 31gr A.Steel
Wad column: Precision Reloading orange TUPR123 wad slit all the way down, rolled in hbn powder, 20ga Nitro Card smooshed into bottom of cup before the first ball,
Load: 3x.610” hardcast lead balls w no space btw bottom ball and base of wad cup, no space btw balls; and Precision Reloading teflon buffer (2.2cc) tapped/vibrated in around balls
Overshot (if any) & Crimp: clear overshot disc, roll
Notes: I dropped the recommended charge by a grain since my balls are heavier (335gr ea vs 313gr ea for 60cal). I do hope the rifled barrel patterns the tri-ball well. It would be cool to have a slug gun that can also shoot multi-projectiles.

[cpileri]

Data mining thread you have all seen beofre, but just for reference:
12ga FH loads (up to 25kpsi, in heavy barrels only- specifically Ultra Slug Hunter, unless otherwise noted)

Plastic 2.75” case
40-50gr A.Steel, Fio616 or magnum primer, 440gr slug in Hubel Sabot
(in any modern steel slug barrel, whether on bolt, autoloading, pump, or break action gun with same muzzle of modern steel with MINIMUM .93" muzzle diameter): up to 115gr Re-17, X12X, felt wads, [437gr BPI sabot slug or Brenneke KO @ 1900+fps// 520gr Lyman Shotcup slug @ 1850fps// 600gr hard Dixie slug @1800fps// 870gr hardcast @1600fps] , all loads max pressure 16Kpsi

Plastic case 3” ~14.7Kpsi
Rem hi brass, IMR 4759: 90gr, 600gr Dixie slug, roll crimp, 1800+fps, 14575psi
80gr IMR 4759, X12X, 1/8” felt wad, Hubel Sabot w/slug
Fed High Pwr 7/16 Fiber Base: 2oz (880gr) Fed 209A 33grBlueDot SP 12 1150fps 11,400psi
95gr IMR 4227 (or 92gr 4759), 209 primer, 525gr Lyman shotcup slug
92gr IMR 4227 (or 90gr 4759), 209 primer, 600gr Dixie slug,
82gr IMR 4227, 209 primer, 730gr fullbore slug, roll crimp, 1650fps
78gr IMR 4227, 209 primer, 800gr fullbore slug, roll crimp, 1600fps
74-75gr IMR 4227, 209 primer, 870gr fullbore slug, roll crimp, 1500fps
45-55gr A.Steel, X12X, felt, Fio616 or magnum primer, 440gr slug in Hubel Sabot

Plastic case 3.5”
Up to 100gr IMR 4759, X12X, 1/4” felt wad, Hubel Sabot
105gr IMR 4227, 209 primer, 600gr Dixie slug, 2100fps
120gr IMR 4227, 209 primer, 437gr BPI sabot slug, 2400fps
990gr lead shot. 32gr Longshot Fed. 209A Fed. 12S3 13,700PSI 1150fps
990gr lead shot. 32gr Longshot Fed. 209A Rem. RXP 13,200PSI 1150fps
990gr lead shot. 32gr Longshot Fed. 209A WAA12 13,700PSI 1150fps
990gr lead shot. 33gr Longshot Rem. 209P Fed. 12S3 12,900PSI 1150fps
990gr lead shot. 33gr Longshot Rem. 209P Rem. RXP 12,600PSI 1150fps
990gr lead shot. 33gr Longshot Rem. 209P WAA12 13,400PSI 1150fps

Magtec 2.5” brass
(none specifically listed, but safe ‘lesser’-level loads that fit from can be used)

RMC 3” brass
AA 1680: 125gr, 600gr hard Dixie Slug, .135card, 2x1/2” lubed felt wads1850fps
Re-7: 132gr, 600gr Dixie slug, .135card, 1x1/2”+1x1/4” lubed felt wad,1850fps
45-55gr A.Steel, X12X, felt, Fio616 or magnum primer, 440gr slug in Hubel Sabot
(also For 440gr max of 55gr Steel
For 400gr max of 57gr Steel
For 360gr max of 59gr Steel
For 490gr max of 52gr Steel.
For 510gr max of 49gr Steel
For 540gr max of 47gr Steel

Modified 50bmg brass 3.07”
RL-25: 215gr, 600gr hard Dixie slug, 1700fps

RMC 3.5” brass ~14.7 kpsi
140gr IMR 4227, 209 primer, 437gr BPI sabot slug, 2600fps
85gr IMR 4227, 209 primer, X12X, 2 (two) x 1oz Brenneke KO slugs stacked, 1600fps
200gr Re-17, 715gr Jacketed fullbore slug,roll crimp, 2500fps
220gr Re-17, 420gr in BPI sabot, roll crimp, 2900fps
50-65gr A.Steel, X12X, felt, Fio616 or magnum primer, 440gr slug in Hubel Sabot
2(two)x.570-577 round balls in Hubel sabot, 35-45gr A.Steel

Top RE17 loads in NEF- 18Kpsi-25kpsi
Don't go below 100gr of Re-17 in 12ga cases! (not sure of pressure w charges below listed amounts)
3.5" RMC brass--385Gr JKT --220gr Re17
3.5" RMC brass--Hubel Sabot with 400gr --- 220ge RE17
3.5" RMC brass--715 gr JKT and 720 gr hard lead-- 200gr RE17
3.5" RMC brass--870gr hard lead- 180gr RE17
3.5" RMC brass--1040gr hard lead - 170gr Re17

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello Elite Musketeer Brother Cpileri, I'm broke, so I'll share my last 2 cents:
Any time you use A. Steel powder be sure to get the mileage from it by using only Fed.209A magnum primer for proper combustion and efficiency that the powder is capable of delivering.

I never even tried to bother getting the Reloader-17 powder but if I had it I would certainly use the Federal 209A magnum primer too and start off with a charge of 75 gr as my starting load and move on to 76.5, 78, 79.5, 81, 82.5 & 84 gr while using only Fiocchi hulls and be watching out for pressure signs like a Hawk! ! !

Remember, its your face next to the gun when firing these loads and your dentures that will need to be re-glued back after the range session.

Powder's like 2400, 4227 have been a disaster in my tests so far even tho I used the Fed. 209A magnum primers, my luck ! !

That's it, Brother, I'll be quiet for a few day's to recover & regain my strength.

I got to go the Golden Hour is approaching fast ! !

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[cpileri]

And my luck has been good w 4227 as well as the combo of Fio 616 primers with Steel. So far anyway.

Golden Hour?

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[cpileri]

jmortimer,
my 20" Mossberg manufactured 870 smoothbore barrel slugs to .730 (cylinder bore). Hope that helps.
C-

[cpileri]

Ajay,
You think 75gr of Reloader-17 will burn well in a 12ga case? In an old thread, Turbo suggested 75gr as the min (and 100gr as max) in a 20ga case using 1-oz fullbore slugs. here, post #326:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?7916-12GA-FH-Slug-Tester&p=714500&viewfull=1#post714500

I am fact checking, as well as seeing if the original posters of their data have since changed their positions on anything. If there is enough anecdotal evidence of safety, regardless of load efficiency or accuracy, i might at least pull the trigger- maybe using a string from behind a tree; lacking any actual pressure test info, that is.

[Carryacolt]

I too followed Turbo's and Ed Huble's info using R-17. Started with 80gr and in 1.0gr increments to 95gr then .5gr to 100gr. No signs of pressure on any of them. I shoot the Savage 220F with roll crimps. Best group so far is 4.5" at 100yd. If my memory is correct, they shot a tad over 1800fps. Now I am reloading with 4759.

[Carryacolt]

And that was using Turbo's full bore 1oz TC slug. Using now also with the 4759. I want that 4" group or smaller to hunt with. I want to try the OP wad Ajay has developed for his Super Blazing Sabots project. When he started it, it looked like he would have some ready for market by now but I think there were some production problems and so he is still working to get them finished and up for sale. Using some of the steel shot wads and cutting the OP wad off and using it is about the best that is out there right now.

[cpileri]

Dear Mr. Carryacolt,
Thank you so much for the info! I really was hoping to hear from others like you who did the Re-17 "thing" and lived to tell the tale.
So you went from 75 to 100gr in a 20ga?
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[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello Brother Cpileri, this Elite Musketeer Brother Carry A Colt is a lucky guy with a range of his own right there on his property.

I only wish I did not have to travel 1 hour to the range one way!

He too is an entrepreneur like you and we all Musketeer's can learn from your experiences.

My hat's off to you both, thank you for making me loose my hat, my bald head is now showing my age!
What kind of a Musketeer's you guys are.

You know last time I had a good laugh when one of my Brother Elite Musketeer wrote in a post " My Ball are too small "
I replied mine too ! ! !
I kept going to that post for days laughing, I desperately need another one of those Great laugh's.


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[Carryacolt]

Cpileri,
I started at 80gr and worked up to 100gr. Turbo has killed two deer with the 100gr of R-17. He has done a lot of testing with the R-17 in the 20ga. I buy his 1oz TC slugs. With all the powders available(if ya can find any) it shouldn't be real difficult to get a load that will put five or better yet, ten slugs into a four inch group at a hundred yds. I can shoot ten rounds from my 243wssm into a half inch group so four inch with a 62 caliber should be possible.

[Carryacolt]

Ajay,
I'm not getting bald yet but the grey is setting in real well. I think I'm just a year or so ahead of ya. Just turned 69 last month but feel like I'm still in my 20's. Went fishing on a fly-in up in Canada over the 4th of July. Caught 92 walleye and 54 pike. The largest pike was 40" and the largest walleye was 5+ lbs. Our camp was 80 miles north of where we parked the truck and jumped into the "beaver" (single engine bush plane) to get there. This was my 2nd fly-in to this camp. What a trip it was. Would like to go back in the fall with my 62cal rifle (20ga) and Turbo's 1oz TC slugs to get a moose. Saw six of those while up there fishing.
Sorry, another dam bunny trail... Back to sluggin ... Any idea what your timeline is now for getting your OP wads and/or sabots out to market ?? We here are all watching and waiting for the "big day" we can start shooting a real first class 20 ga wad and sabot.

[cpileri]

Gettin old is a drag! Well, to be honest, it has its perks too.

So, its "super Ajay" now? Fine w me.

And I did find that those .578 minie ball conicals intended for the Hubelsabots fit just right in 20ga trap commander wads. Darnit! Now i have to go thru all this again in 20ga. No, must resist. Must finish 12ga first. Cannot handle THIS much fun...

Plan to (hope to) test 12ga loads on pigs this weekend. Will report back of course!
C-

[cpileri]

Soooo.....
Turbo sells those slugs?? Hmmm..... and is the 20ga USH barrel a big monster thick barrel that fits the 12ga USH frame????
C-


Cpileri,
I started at 80gr and worked up to 100gr. Turbo has killed two deer with the 100gr of R-17. He has done a lot of testing with the R-17 in the 20ga. I buy his 1oz TC slugs. With all the powders available(if ya can find any) it shouldn't be real difficult to get a load that will put five or better yet, ten slugs into a four inch group at a hundred yds. I can shoot ten rounds from my 243wssm into a half inch group so four inch with a 62 caliber should be possible.

[Carryacolt]

Yes it is. That's one of the most popular slug guns that guys are using for high velocity loads. Price is fair on them also.

[hubel458]

The 20ga USH bull barrel fits the SB1 frame which is set up
for breach diameter of 1.10" and all of NEF's shot and regular
weight barrels go on this size frame.

The 12ga USH and the heavy barreled 10ga go on the SB2 frame
which is for 1.200" breach diameter.Ed

[cpileri]

Ok, so i would need a whole new gun. Thanks, Ed. That does make it easier to hold off for awhile. Still have that smoothebore to check roundballs-in-wadcups.... Must resist! Will strong. Flesh weak...c-

[Hogtamer]

C, let me know when you're ready to start on those 20 ga loads. I've got a single .570 ball load worked up that has amazed me with its accuracy and power that I'm getting (4"@50 yds) out of a 1100 Remington IC choke. Using Speer .58 cal swaged round balls. HT

[cpileri]

I sure will. Ill get thru this weekends 12ga tests first, then depending on how it goes think abt working on 20ga.
C-