Old Eynsford

[Boz330]

I tried some OE 2F in a 45-70 that I'm trying to work a load up for. I only had 2F that I had gotten to try in another rifle. The OE turned in better groups than the Kik for the same charge weight. I'm thinking about ordering a case but hate to split it up to find out that 1.5 or 2F shoots better and have 12lbs that I can't use. What are you guys having the best luck with in a 45-70, 1.5 or 2F? I could get a partial case but then the price per pound goes up significantly.

Bob

[Lead pot]

Bob,

I use 2F O-E in all of my calibers since it came out with very good results.
I started with a split case of 1.5, 2, and 3F working more with the .44-100 then the others. The 1.5 and 2F O-E shoots good in the .45-70. The 3F is a very hot fast powder that I'm just starting to work up loads for the .45-70 and the .44-77.
It would be best to get a split case with just two cans of 1.5. The 2F wont do you wrong.

Lp.

[Don McDowell]

I'm thinking that 2f is the best of the bunch for an allround powder. I like 1.5 but it seems to need another 2 grs per charge to get to the same place,,, so for every 35 rounds you load you'll get one "free" when going with the 2f.
When the bills are pretty well settled up after payday this fall I'm planning to order a full case of the 2f.

[Matt85]

I like 2F in my 45-70 trapdoor rifle.

-matt

[Lead pot]

After making this post I loaded up some loads using the 3F O-E in the .45-90 with the new .444 prolate bullet I been testing with 3 shot ladder groups. I started using 79 gr of 3F compressed .119" and ended with 81 gr compressed .172"
Notice how the impact dropped and the groups shrunk for each group shot from the 130 yard line. The last group is 13/16"
Might have to look into this a little more:smile:
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[Don McDowell]

That 3f almost scares me, it's so fast. I clocked that short tank buster out of the 44 at 1370 with 74 grs of the 2f. That load you're shooting in the 90 has got to be shoving well past the 1300 mark.

[Lead pot]

Don't know Don. When I get some time I will set up the chrono close and down range and check how fast and that the BC is with this prolate bullet. The dust sure does kick up down range fast!

Kurt

[Don McDowell]

Kurt I've seen some speed tests some of the muzzlestuffer guys did, and hurling a 58 cal round ball at 1800ish is zippin right along. (Not sure why the trend to 3f in the bigbores with those guys....) Also some of the Black Dawge 45 colt ammo sent out early for testing with the 3f was spitting a 230 gr bullet at almost 1100 fps from a 7 1/2 barrel colt model p... Now that's the type of velocity if you go to some of the smokeless saa shooters, will cause an immediate case of the vapors and major melt down...
I'm pretty sure 2f is about all the spicy side of life I care to handle.

[Boz330]

Thanks guys. I'll continue to work with the 2F till I get close and then order a case. Initial loads show quick promise, of course we all know how that can go sometimes.
I'm really surprised at how much difference 1gr increments changed things. I usually start with 3gr increments and then narrow down from there.

Bob

[Don McDowell]

Boz take the lesson that I gleaned from reading Leadpots trials with the stuff, and look at what ever charge weight you need to compress that stuff about 1/4 inch.
1.5 will get along well with more compression but 2 doesn't really like to be mashed much.

[Boz330]

Right now I'm working with the Postell which needs about a 1/2" in the case so there is no problem getting 1/4" compression. I'm looking seriously at getting a Money Bullet for a little more case capacity and it's reputation, although BACO is out of them right now. I wasn't too worried about the velocity yet just tightening the groups.

Bob

[Don McDowell]

Boz if you want to try the money bullet before you buy the blocks, get ahold of John Olsen at 4068530196. He does a bang up job of casting from certified alloy, and his prices are reasonable.

[kokomokid]

Looks like powder inc has old e again. I have been slow to do any test with the 2f I have in case I couldn't get any more. Boz ,I had a tough time with the money bullet in 40 cal till I hardened it up to 13/1. LB

[Boz330]

Looks like powder inc has old e again. I have been slow to do any test with the 2f I have in case I couldn't get any more. Boz ,I had a tough time with the money bullet in 40 cal till I hardened it up to 13/1. LB

This will be for a 45-70. I have a Brooks mold that is working well in my 40.
Thanks Don , that might be a good way to go just to try some.

Bob

[Boz330]

Boz take the lesson that I gleaned from reading Leadpots trials with the stuff, and look at what ever charge weight you need to compress that stuff about 1/4 inch.
1.5 will get along well with more compression but 2 doesn't really like to be mashed much.

Don, you called that one. Shot some groups yesterday at 100yd. Best group at just over 1 MOA was with .230 compression, the next load was .260 and right at 1.5 MOA. The loads after that started opening up. I'm going to split the difference and try 10 rounds instead of 5 and see what happens. If that looks as good I'll move back to 300yd, about all I can get at the farm.

Bob

[Don McDowell]

Boz, thank that great gentleman and allround good buy Leadpot for that compression bit. He's the one that figured it out, and passed it along. Often overlooked, but that man has done more to help more folks get stuff figured out than he receives credit for.
Glad you found a good load for that powder.
What did you think about the fouling?

[Boz330]

Per Don's suggestion thank you Kurt!
The only test of the fouling that I tried was a dry patch without blow tubing at the end of the testing. It went through with just a little resistance in front of the chamber. To me that indicates a moister fouling. It was a hot day and the barrel couldn't be handled without a rag so this is a good test. Most powders will stop the patch and require some pounding on the rod handle to get it through. My usual routine is a wet patch and 2 dry when finished with a string. Doing that it really didn't seem any different than Kik. I'd like to get some velocities during my next test session since I want to use this in the LR events at Camp Atterbury.

Bob

[Don McDowell]

Boz with 70 grs of 2f I was getting 1224 avg out of my CSA 75 and the postel cast from 20-1.
The other day I clocked the BACO 434470(480 grs) patched bullet pushed with 76 grs of the 1.5 out of my 44-77 at 1307. A 410 gr patched bullet rocketed out ahead of 75 grs of 2f at 1370. Both bullets have been shooting amazingly accurate at those speeds.