Replacement for Unique

[mattd]

I like Uniques versatility, it just dosent meter worth a darn in the measures I use. Currently using lee pro auto disc. What would be a better metering powder that will cover serviceable loads in 9mm 125g TC, 40 175g TC, and 44mag 255g SWC?

[aspangler]

Try Ramshot True Blue. Works thru my Pro 1000 press really well.

[rexherring]

AA#5 is about the same or just a little slower powder. Ball type and measures very well.

[Outpost75]

IMR PB is a smaller particle size which measures well. Substituting weight for weight instead of Unique you will get slightly lower velocity, but not get into any trouble. Volume is different.

[TXGunNut]

Universal Clays. Just back it off a bit, generally .5 grs. Cleaner, meters well.

[Sven]

I'll second Universal Clays. I like it enough that I just bought an 8lb jug. Comparing data between the two, some loads are identical, some not. You'd want to go by the book, regardless.

[LynC2]

I'll second Universal Clays. I like it enough that I just bought an 8lb jug. Comparing data between the two, some loads are identical, some not. You'd want to go by the book, regardless.

I'll 3rd that. Good powder and burns relatively clean.

[kenyerian]

+4 on univeral clays.

[Rex]

I'm a bull headed old man, there just ain't no substitute for Unique. Powder is easy to find and the loads shoot good.

[dragon813gt]

Another vote for Universal. Like most things the products get better w/ progression. Universal is a prime example.

[Southpaw 72]

I'll give hs-6 a vote. Meters very well and works with most handgun cartridges.

[mikeym1a]

Guess I'm behind the curve. I still use my Lyman powder measure, and Unique works pretty well in that. Then again, I haven't tried anything else, since it works for me. There might be something else that meters better. I can't afford hardly anything right now, even when it's available!:holysheep

[Jack Stanley]

Funny you mention replacing Unique ..... I was thinking the same thing the other day . Except I was thinking about what powder could replace it for use in everything from .223 Remington to the 45/70 . Though I'm sure others would meter better , and I thought of HS-6 right away . I just wasn't sure that there was another powder that can do what Unique does .

But to answer your question , maybe WSL or SR-7625 along with HS-5 or HS-6 of course .

Jack

[frnkeore]

Are there any ball powders that are close to or faster than unique?

Frank

[dragon813gt]

Are there any ball powders that are close to or faster than unique?

Frank

Yes, Universal. It was developed as a ball powder equivalent to Unique. Most of the loads are w/in a few tenths of a grain of each other.

[Char-Gar]

I have been using Unique for 50 plus years and have never noticed it being difficult to run through a powder measure. I do not use progressive presses, so that may be the reason. I use an old Hollywood, a Lyman 55 and RCBS Little Dandy measure and Unique works fine for me.

[khmer6]

Have you tried the lee perfect powder or the micro bar? Unique has always meters d nicely for me

[TXGunNut]

My RCBS measure didn't really have much problem with Unique, just had to be very deliberate and consistent when manipulating the lever. One day I couldn't find Unique and bought Universal and decided I liked it better, haven't looked back. As good a powder as Unique is, I think Universal is a bit better in every aspect.

[frnkeore]

What I'm looking for is a powder charge in the Unique burn rate (or faster) of 2 - 2.5 gr with less than .1 gr extreme spreed. That's why I would like a ball powder.

frank

[TXGunNut]

What I'm looking for is a powder charge in the Unique burn rate (or faster) of 2 - 2.5 gr with less than .1 gr extreme spreed. That's why I would like a ball powder.

frank

Have you tried 231?

[frnkeore]

Yes, I tried 231 but, I didn't get the accuracy of B'eye and it burnt dirty.

Frank

[stubshaft]

AA #5 is what I use.

[sthwestvictoria]

You are using it in pistol so I am sure it is a straight replacement. I have been trialling using it (called AP70N here by the manufacturer ADI) in bottle neck rifle cases (30-30 and 35 Whelen) and feel that it is more position sensitive than Unique. I now have a chronograph and need to go back and retest some loads.

[375supermag]

Hi...

I have used Unique in .45Colt, .41Magnum and .44Spl. for 30+ years.
I use a Little Dandy measure and have never had any issues with metering consistently.
I load thousands of those rounds every year and while I use other powders in those calibers, Unique is used more than any other powder. It gets me where I want to go as far as power, accuracy and cost per shot for target and plinking rounds. I have heard some claim it is dirty, but I have never found it to be appreciably dirtier than 2400, W296(H110), Blue Dot or Bullseye. I never worried about how dirty a particular powder was...I figured cleaning my firearms was part of the deal. And...I actually like cleaning my guns.

The only powders I use that may rival it in poundage per year is Blue Dot (I load many thousands of rounds each year in .357Magnum) and Bullseye (many thousands, as well) in .45ACP and .45AutoRim and .38Spl.

[Jupiter7]

I can pretty much load anything with unique, bullseye and AA#5. I've never had issues with lee auto disk measure after you break them in, they are reliable within .1gr. I've also used the universal charge bar and found it only useful for measurement between disks. I rarely use it.

[mattd]

how do you break them in?

[Wally]

I find one gets 0.2~0.3 variance with Unique using a powder measure...I found a sure fire way to lower it to 0.1 grains or less.

1) Fill the powder measure and then cycle it 10~20 times, (I dump the powder back into the Unique canister)
2) give a no. of light raps to the powder measure stand...
3) When powder charging give the powder stand a light rap with you hand both when charging and then again when dumping the powder into the cartridge case.

It sounds goofy..but it works....

[MUSTANG]

Was or is there a military designation for Unique?
If so is it sold surplus in bulk canisters?


The April 1994 version of TM 43-0001-27 lists SR-7970 in .45ACP and SR-7325 for .38 Special. Not sure that either of those is a Unique style powder; nor have I seen them on the Surplus market.

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Pages 5-7 of the PDF attachment indicate that Saint Marks Propellant (General Dynamics) has developed a Ball Propellant for the .45ACP (no designation provided); and WPR® 289 St. Marks BALL POWDER ® Propellant for use in the 9mm NATO M882 cartridge. Some of the surplus SMP powder was available on GunBroker.com up until 3-4 months ago, but recently none has been posted.

Mustang

[Rockchucker]

Another vote for Unique, I've never had any metering problems with the Dillon powder measure and its just so versatile. One of my favorite powders.

[gofastman]

Winchester Super Field

[Rex]

Rex, Not easy to find here have not seen it on the shelf in over 3 months.Darn it Mike, If I could get some down to you.......Our walmart has it on the shelf.
Rex

[mattd]

holy ****. what if i could get powder at walmart? hmm... def not an option here. my LGS, Grafs, would still be my preference, but they are not so local.

[Rex]

I was in our walmart last week. They had IMR-4350, IMR-4320 and 4064 as well as Unique....no .22s and 2400 can't be found around here. Primers are also scarce though I did get 1000 SPP at a LGS, last one they had but the lady said someone had to do it.

[DrCaveman]

I find one gets 0.2~0.3 variance with Unique using a powder measure...I found a sure fire way to lower it to 0.1 grains or less.

1) Fill the powder measure and then cycle it 10~20 times, (I dump the powder back into the Unique canister)
2) give a no. of light raps to the powder measure stand...
3) When powder charging give the powder stand a light rap with you hand both when charging and then again when dumping the powder into the cartridge case.

It sounds goofy..but it works....

I thought the slight rapping with the hand was standard procedure? In any event, it seems to work pretty well and is easy to get used to.

Now, mind you, i dont do that with high-volume 45 acp/38 spl production using ball powders. But every rifle cartridge ive ever charged has seen some hand rapping on the measure. And also my unique handgun loads get it.

But to the OP's question: i just bought a pound of imr sr4756 for that very purpose. I realize it's not granny smith-to-granny smith but the load data and testimony out there place it something like granny smith-to-fuji

Hopefully that comparison makes sense. Im just saying i think its closer than an apples-to-oranges comparison

[helice]

I'll second TXGunNut's choice. I have used 231W for years and find it to meter like sand from a boot. It is one of the cleanest powders I've ever used. Once I started using 231W I just never seemed to be reaching for my RedDot & 700X and Bullseye cans. It works great in the 45ACP too. I bought a Lee turret press for my nephew which has the disk type powder meter. He has become a big fan of 231 due to the repeatability of the load.

[BeemerMark]

I have been using Unique for 50 plus years and have never noticed it being difficult to run through a powder measure. I do not use progressive presses, so that may be the reason. I have two progressive presses (Dillon) and a RCBS scale & powder dispenser. I've never had a problem with Unique and I love it because it does about everything. Maybe not the best but I buy it in 8# containers and always have it. When you can't find powder (seems to be a common occurrence every few years) I always have unique to load rifles and pistols.

[broylz]

Winchester Super Field

This +1! my charges are basically the same from unique across 9mm, 40, 45cp, 38spl, and 12ga.

[BNE]

Hogdon Clays is Excellent. Used it for years and love it in 45ACP. I just tried Ramshot True Blue and it meters EXACTLY the same every throw. No catching or sticking when you meter it.

You could also try an RCBS Little Dandy Pistol Powder measure. It really helps consistency when making small charges. Having to buy all the rotors is a pain, but it is consistent.

[Outpost75]

Was or is there a military designation for Unique?
If so is it sold surplus in bulk canisters?

Prior to WW2 Infallible was used as a noncanister grade of Unique. I haven't seen any available as surplus since the 1970s.

[dmize]

Power Pistol here.

[dtknowles]

I find one gets 0.2~0.3 variance with Unique using a powder measure...I found a sure fire way to lower it to 0.1 grains or less.

1) Fill the powder measure and then cycle it 10~20 times, (I dump the powder back into the Unique canister)
2) give a no. of light raps to the powder measure stand...
3) When powder charging give the powder stand a light rap with you hand both when charging and then again when dumping the powder into the cartridge case.

It sounds goofy..but it works....

try that when using a progressive loader and see what you think.

Tim

[robg]

ramshot true blue meters well,almost the same burn rate

[fecmech]

A second on Power Pistol, fine grained and a hair slower than Unique. Also WSF which acts for me like a Herco clone and again just a touch slower than Unique. Both meter great through a progressive press.

[Boyscout]

I like the way Win 231 meters. I have a pound of Unique I've been using for 40 S&W and 35 Special. I also have a couple of pounds a Universal Clays I use for my 20 gauge. I'm partial to Win 231 but have no problem working up loads for the other two powders. I have enough Vihtavuori N320 left to load maybe another 50 rounds of 45 ACP. I really liked that but it's non-existent around here.

[digger44]

Replacement for Unique ???

every so often I replace my empty bottle of Unique with a full bottle of Unique LOL.

[762 shooter]

Universal.

Seems to burn a little cleaner. Meters well. Lasts a long time at 5 Grains. My new best friend. I have 8 pounds of each. Should last me through Hillary's first term.:groner:

762

[.429]

Darn it Mike, If I could get some down to you.......Our walmart has it on the shelf.
Rex just wondering, how much is a lb of unique at wm?

[Three44s]

HS-6 followed by WSF! ........... meters like poop through a tin horn!!!


Three 44s