.358 going fast!!!

[Ramslammer]

G'Day All
OK I've got a old Rem 600 laying around and it's a good candidate for a .358w barrel. What I want to know is if anyone is running the RCBS .35/200 grn boolit fast? Also what success they've had with it accuracy wise?
Thanks
Juddy

[Zim]

May I ask what purpose you are shooting fast for? Flatter trajectory or better terminal performance?
I have a 358 in my future, so I am still learning all I can.

[NLS1]

Lots of knowledgable guys with the 358 here. Goodsteel and waksupi come to mind. Try the search and extend the time to go way back there is lots of good stuff on the 358, as I have searched for that very thing many times. The 358 is on my short list as well. And from what I have read the rcbs 200 grain is very popular, I thought I remembered people talking about speeds with it that seemed very quick.

Good luck!

Dan

[waksupi]

I'm not sure what you consider fast. Accuracy is more important than speed. With work on your part, they will be suitable for most any purpose you can come up with. I don't shoot the lighter boolits too much, so can't speak about them. Although I did work up some loads that shot into 1/2" at 100 yards with a 160 gr. boolit. They were cooking along pretty fast.

[Piedmont]

If accuracy at speed were my goal with the 200 gr. and I hadn't ordered my barrel yet, I would twist it at 1-16 if I knew I never wanted to use heavies. My opinion is that part of the reason the .35 Rem has such a good reputation as a cast bullet caliber is because Marlin used that slow twist. This allowed good accuracy at factory velocities with similar weights.

[runfiverun]

the 1-14 is plenty slow enough 1-12 would be good if that was what was available.
the 358 with the 200-250 gr boolits will run right there at jaxketed velocities no problem.
terminal affects on game are going to be determined by the boolits design and alloy characteristics.

[quilbilly]

I can't help but be curious what caliber your 600 is. I have a 600 in 6mm Rem which was the first rifle I ever bought for myself. It absolutely loves CB's even after thousands of hot loaded jacketed rounds have been through it over several decades.

[jhalcott]

I've used the Lyman 358315 (205 gr) in several 35 caliber guns. From 357 mag to 35 Whelen. I never tried for fast, just concerned myself with accuracy. This bullet did very well on deer and groundhogs for me. I found that IF I flattened the nose, it was MORE effective on deer sized game, an the range and accuracy were not hurt by this. I could NOT understand WHY flattening the nose BEFORE firing would change terminal results so much. Since I was not shooting beyond 200 yds, I didn't NEED the~ 2400 fps I could get with the Whelen. The 357 Mag would kill deer at less than 900FPS. For most deer hunting with the 35 Rem, 358 Win and 358 JDJ or Whelen I settled on as near 2000 fps as I could get with accuracy.

[helice]

Over the last couple months I too have been pondering converting a Remington M-600 (presently in 6mm) to the 358 Win. This thread is of great interest to me. Keep it coming.
So far I have discovered that I will need to replace the present barrel as opposed to boring it out. I am still considering the fat 9X57 ie. bored to 358.
I have a Model 600 in the 350 RM also. I have not used the RCBS boolit of which you speak but I have used a 225 gr. LBT WFN and a 240 gr LBT LWN. I have pushed the 225 gr to over 2250' using ReL 7 with good accuracy at 100 yds. (limit of my range). I see little or no need for more than 2000 foot seconds with a 35 caliber boolit of that weight. You may have heavier game than I do.

[Larry Gibson]

I've used the 35-200-FN to 2400-2500+ fps in .358Ws and 35x57s with excellent accuracy. The barrels all were 16" twists. I also suggest the 16" twist barrel of 24 - 26" length if "fast" is your quest with the 35-200-FN in the 358W.

Larry Gibson

[Ramslammer]

G'Day All
The 600 is a .308. It was originally but it's been rebarreled before with a heavy barrel. It was my "lender" for shooters wanting to try silhouette. But with six other silhouette rifles I thought it could go to a better use. I have NOE's clone of the RCBS in a RG version and am getting good results in the 35 rem (1850 fps) and want to try that boolit faster. We do a lot of night shooting of Wallaby so the extra speed will be benificial (try to judge distance in the dark).
To be totally honest I want to try it fast because I want to!!!! Absolutely no need just want. There you go no lame excuses just the fact. Kind of like why do we need a new mold when we already have one that works in that cal, because we want to.
Cast Boolits get in your system and personally I want to try to expand the barriers.
Juddy

[Gibbs44]

I've got no experience with loading cast in rifles, yet. I do believe you have one of the best excuses available for wanting to try something new. Just because you want to. Good luck.


G'Day All
The 600 is a .308. It was originally but it's been rebarreled before with a heavy barrel. It was my "lender" for shooters wanting to try silhouette. But with six other silhouette rifles I thought it could go to a better use. I have NOE's clone of the RCBS in a RG version and am getting good results in the 35 rem (1850 fps) and want to try that boolit faster. We do a lot of night shooting of Wallaby so the extra speed will be benificial (try to judge distance in the dark).
To be totally honest I want to try it fast because I want to!!!! Absolutely no need just want. There you go no lame excuses just the fact. Kind of like why do we need a new mold when we already have one that works in that cal, because we want to.
Cast Boolits get in your system and personally I want to try to expand the barriers.
Juddy

[TXGunNut]

Sounds like a sweet little rifle, something like that came up in a 35 Whelen thread a week or so ago. I shoot a 35 Rem in a 336 and I haven't gotten much speed out of a 200 gr boolit (about 2100) but I've gotten some pretty awesome performance on game the few times I've gotten the opportunity. Liked it so much I had a 30-06 bored out to 35 Whelen to get a bit more speed and a bit heavier boolit.
I don't have to wait for nightime to have trouble judging distance, I'm horrible at it in the daytime! Anything past 150 yds is safe from me, most days.

[TCLouis]

+1 What Gibbs44 said.

The Group buy we did here gave me a mold that throws a 220 grain boolit all dressed and ready to fire.
My plan is to is to launch it out of a Herrett barrel.

I had planned on a 358 after reading of Waksupi's exploits with one, but the 8X57s are so close I stick to them. Just need a heavier boolit than the 175 grain GB . . . . Not sure why though.

[Lefty SRH]

G'Day All
The 600 is a .308. It was originally but it's been rebarreled before with a heavy barrel. It was my "lender" for shooters wanting to try silhouette. But with six other silhouette rifles I thought it could go to a better use. I have NOE's clone of the RCBS in a RG version and am getting good results in the 35 rem (1850 fps) and want to try that boolit faster. We do a lot of night shooting of Wallaby so the extra speed will be benificial (try to judge distance in the dark).
To be totally honest I want to try it fast because I want to!!!! Absolutely no need just want. There you go no lame excuses just the fact. Kind of like why do we need a new mold when we already have one that works in that cal, because we want to.
Cast Boolits get in your system and personally I want to try to expand the barriers.
Juddy

What powder are you using in the 35 Remmy? I have the same NOE 35-200-FN clone mold. I'm getting very close to 2300fps with the NOE clone 35-200. It drops at 215gr and I'm using a healthy dose IMR 3031. Groups are about 2 MOA (IIRC) at 100yds with irons.

I've been considering a .358 Win here recently I don't have anything I want to rebarrel. Ideally I'd like to find a left handed Savage short action and plug in a .358 Win barrel.

[Ramslammer]

G'Day
I'm using 38grns of AR2208 which is packaged and sold as Varget in the US. My 35 is the SSLTD with a 18.5 inch barrel. I sold a couple of XLRs and one of the blokes is getting 2150 fps.
Juddy

[GLynn41]

Sacco 245 gr in an 18.5'' .358 is a great swamp round-- I do tend to grind the nose down some for a little more whap? likely not necessary took a doe last Oct hole in the hide into the lungs measured with my index finger which Mics about .725 bullets are .359- load is 38 gr of H322 --the stock has repaired many times so have not done much at 100 yards--guess l ought to -- I bought these but am considering a mold time will tell

[MBTcustom]

Ive made it to 2400fps with no leading using the RCBS 35-200-fn.
I have only been able to keep submoa accuracy up to 2100 though.
However, with the 358winchester, you don't need all that speed! Follow the link in my sig line and be enlightened.

[waksupi]

In the .358 Win, I will really advise staying with 1-12, 1-14 twist.

TCLouis, no flies on the 8X57! One of the most over looked great cast boolit performers, for accuracy and hunting.

[MBTcustom]

Yeah, what he said X 2 :goodpost:
The only things I have against the 8mm kraut, is the long throat, and the short neck, but those things can be worked around.
Another negative is brass availability, but I digress.

[TCLouis]

I made 200 rounds of 8x57 from 30-06 and when I went back to put them in my 8X57 brass container I foud 200 rounds of new Remington Brass.

All that adds up to . . . . Lifetime supply of 8X57 brass.

Full military 98 gun seems to like the 150 grain PB GB boolit.

Partially sporterized 98 likes the 175 grain GB and 4759.