Does this bug anyone else, or is it just me?

[Hounddog]

Was at LGS the other day and overheard some folks talk about powders.

1st guy "have you tried Brand X powder for your load?"
2nd guy "I heard Brand x powder is dirty"

Always bothers me. Same as when I hear "oh Brand X powder is smoky, loud, dirty, big muzzle flash" etc.... We are talking about shooting guns right? Shooting which is inherently dirty, loud, smokey etc... I can understand the smokey part if you shoot indoors but I shoot outside during the day, with hearing protection and always clean my guns so I guess I just don't get it.

I think it's a conspiracy by the powder companies to get us to buy more/various powders. Guess it's good we have so many choices.

Rant over.... Back to work.

Hounddog

[303Guy]

Well, some powders are 'louder' than others. Slower, higher bulk powders that have longer 'dwell' times and higher muzzle pressure and greater volume. Doesn't make any real difference, they just sound different. Some have a sharper crack and others a boom. The recoil feels different too. Nothing to do with brand, just the powder type.

[Afro408]

Just ignore it mate. It's just a couple of wankers, pretending that they know something about shooting and replaying tenth hand advise, that they heard from a mate, of a mate, of a mate.
We hear the same thing down here too. The world is full of ignorant wankers, knowalls and ********s.[smilie=l:

[ku4hx]

There are certain sounds I simply do my best to ignore. One is an "expert" trying to sell me anything. If I'm out to buy something, I've done my homework and I know what I want to spend my money on.

Other examples are yapping dogs, arguing politicians, TV commercials, robo phone calls, flushing toilets and anything POTUS has to say.

[Newtire]

Depends on what powder you are talking about and in which application it is used in. I had to laugh when I heard someone use the term "Loudshot" when referring to Longshot powder but it is pretty loud when fired from a revolver. Shoot it out of a 10 gauge shotgun with 32" barrels and it isn't so loud. Some powders run cleaner than others but if anyone has any problems with Unique being too dirty for them and wants to unload their supply, I'll take it off your hands for cheap even. SR7625 leaves barely a trace in my 20 gauge where HS-7 leaves a little more junk. Some of the older stuff like AL-8 will plug up the works pretty quick. If it works, I wouldn't worry about a little bit of stuff in the barrel.

[44man]

Just crazy talk. Even 296 is filthy in revolvers and I see no difference between it and 2400 or Unique and my guns might not get the barrels cleaned in a year or two. The only thing I keep clean and lubed is the cylinder pin and ratchet. Wear protection.
I wish I could burn my wood stove with "clean" wood!

[mikeym1a]

Dirty Powder???? I was raised to clean my gun after every shooting outing. I guess that was left over from the days of corrosive primers. But it has stuck. I was reminded of that once when shooting some foreign ammo. I let the gun set for only a few days before cleaning, and then saw a badly rusted bore. The weather was humid at the time. But the point is, these newbies are SPOILED! 'You don't have to clean your gun'. I can't shake the old feeling that a dirty gun is one that will let you down at the most inconvenient time. So, for me, one powder or another being dirty isn't an issue. I clean my guns. Most of the time.[smilie=1:

[Jim]

Dirty Powder???? I was raised to clean my gun after every shooting outing.....

And I thought I was the only one that anal.

I spent three years in Army ROTC. To this day, I remember the wrath of Gunny "Mad Dog" Murray, our DI, if we failed to clean our rifles. Oh, dear God, the price he would exact if he found a dirty bore.

[prs]

I remember when Hercules or Alient "changed" Unique and I think later Red Dot to "New Cleaner Burning" or some such claim. I thought, "Oh no, they went changed what works." But, so far as I can tell it is the same ole good stuff that I like. My favorite for SAA revolvers is real black powder, esp Swiss or Shuetzen (sp?) and it smokes a little and stinks real good.

prs

[Char-Gar]

Quite frequently on this board, we read posters slamming one powder or another because it is "dirty". This seems to be a generational issue. Folks feel they should not have to clean their firearms frequently. I have been shooting for much longer than they have been alive and I consider cleaning firearms and washing your hands, just part of drill. My response rants always falls on deaf ears as I suppose this one will also.

[BruceB]

Yep..... "wankers" is a very apt term for the species.

All I want my powders to do is deliver the ballistic results that I'm searching for. Virtually ANY other consideration is meaningless.

Nice to see that there's a goodly number of us with similar thoughts on the matter of "dirty" powder....

[fcvan]

I would love for one of those 'experts' to tell me which powder will tame the bark of a RBH in 30 Carbine!

[Love Life]

Regardless what powder make it is, if you shoot several hundred rds in a trip your gun will be dirty. Just saying. I ignore about 98% of what I hear and try things for myself. Most people regurgitate what they heard from their friend's sister's friend's cousin's nephew's aquaintence who trained with reloading monks in the high Alps.

As long as it is accurate and gets the bullet out of my barrel I could care less how dirty it is. That is why cleaning supplies are made.

[gofastman]

I would love for one of those 'experts' to tell me which powder will tame the bark of a RBH in 30 Carbine!

Trail Boss and a heavy bullet [smilie=s:


I dont mind dirty powder so much, I just dont like large amounts of stinky smoke

[mdi]

Yep, there are "dirty" powders, but not for every day shooters like those that come to Castboolits.com [smilie=s: The guys that dress in their brand new "tactical" duds or "city camo" attire and don't want them to get dirty, and those not acquainted with soap and water usually complain the loudest. I don't wear my white tux when I shoot and I always carry some towels to wipe stuff with (rags) and if I'm outside shooting I usually have water. So, when I'm done shooting, I can clean my hands and face for the drive home where I clean my guns...

[NoZombies]

Well, I have guns that start to malfunction when they get too dirty.

As a result, I look for cleaner burning loads so that I can extend my range sessions with said guns. For me that includes powder and lube, but more the lube than the powder.

For instance: After 200 rounds of a load with bullseye and NRA lube, I'm down until I tear down and clean. After 300 rounds of titegroup and Randy's Tac1 I'm still running. As a result, I prefer the cleaner load.

[Newtire]

Here here I say! harumph! harumph!

[Janoosh]

A Firearm is a tool that needs to be maintained. If I am in a GS and hear that conversation, I offer to buy whatever powder is leftover. That usually ends the conversation. Now,on the other hand, i shoot the Holy Black in my flintlock. Smoke and dirt from both ends, LOL. The rifle and Me ,both, need a cleaning!

[Char-Gar]

When this thread has run it course, somebody start another on the ridiculous and childish obsession the popular culture seems to have with zombies and how to kill them. For me, that is at least as irritating as the wankers who want clean powder.

[DeanWinchester]

When this thread has run it course, somebody start another on the ridiculous and childish obsession the popular culture seems to have with zombies and how to kill them. For me, that is at least as irritating as the wankers who want clean powder.



You have to understand that for many people, the term 'Zombie' is a politically correct way to say the things that will get you in deep doodoo. Political correctness has castrated this country but there's little you can do about it now. As opposed to getting trumped up hate crime charges for preparing for a race war/black uprising, invading muzzies, NATO blue helmets or shooting back at homeland security when they turn on us [like they haven't already] It's so much easier to just say "Zombie" No one gets angry when you say you're prepared to slaughter hoards of zombies. If you were to say, however, you were preparing to fight off hoards of ragheads or [*gasp*] use the 'N' word, you're in for a big headache and potential criminal charges.

I agree it's nonsensical but if changing a few words in your speech around keeps the wagon rolling smooth, so be it.

[swheeler]

I hate dirty powders almost as much as I hate zombies! Sorry Car-Gar the devil made me do it:)

[PS Paul]

I love dirty powders!! When the boom, flash and inevitable dirt gets on my firearms and hands, I KNOW it's working!! he he.

These guys remind me of the old women who used to wear white gloves while putting buckets full of nickels into the slot machines (before they used tickets or swiped cards in casinos).

Wanna stay en entirely clean? Choose ANOTHER pursuit!!

[detox]

Probably talking about Bullseye vs. other powders. I am just discovering that Bullseye works great in all my small pistol lead rounds and i have wasted lots of money on other powders to find this out. Bullseye is slightly dirtier, but who cares? I load 38 special, .357 Mgnum, 45 acp

I love the smell of Bullseye and SPG lube burning in the morning...or alox

[10 ga]

belive it or not i have rifles that shoot better with a dirty barrel than clean. yeah 5744 for the squib and warm up rounds.

10 ga

[Janoosh]

I'll not hijack this thread by mentioning the " ZOMBIE Apocalypse". Or did I? Can't play baseball, football, tennis, golf, etc without getting the ball dirty. Firearms are no different. Some countries eased the "dirt" problem by chrome plating bores.

[Xfire68]

Don't bug me a bit. If 3 powders did everything then they would not have 15-30 to choose from, from each company.

Some are dirty and guns that loose function when dirty can benefit. Some like to shoot but don't like the loud noise. Some want lower muzzle flash. Some want less smoke.

There are valid reasons to want any or all of these benefits.

[fredj338]

SOme powders ARE dirtier & smokier. So if you choose a powder that is cleaner w/ less smoke, how can that be bad? I won't shoot BE for that reason, puts so much carbon into the gun, might as well shoot black powder. Same for TG & lead bullets, looks like a cap & ball gun going off. So I have no issue with guys looking for "cleaner" powders. We are fortunate to have choices.

[dilly]

I don't have a problem if they have a preference on something that doesn't matter to me. It's what this country's about, right?

Let each man enjoy the hobby in the way he finds it most enjoyable.

Just my $.02

[mpmarty]

Fools insist on loading too light and the powder doesn't burn completely. Case in point: My 10mm loads at max burn cleaner than any other cartridge I load. My powder of choice is AA#9 and loaded in new starline brass the inside of the fired cases are still as clean and shiny as the unfired ones.

[Cadillo]

Well, I have guns that start to malfunction when they get too dirty.

As a result, I look for cleaner burning loads so that I can extend my range sessions with said guns. For me that includes powder and lube, but more the lube than the powder.

For instance: After 200 rounds of a load with bullseye and NRA lube, I'm down until I tear down and clean. After 300 rounds of titegroup and Randy's Tac1 I'm still running. As a result, I prefer the cleaner load.

Thanks! You beat me to it.

You are a beacon of reason shining upon a dark and boisterous sea.

I feel the same about Bullseye. It's a great powder that meters well, and yields great accuracy, but as a guy who usually shoots 200 plus rounds from my .45 acp each session, the BE cruds up my gun so badly that the usual field strip and lube, just won't get it done requiring a complete disassembly, clean and lube after as few as 400 rounds. (Yes, I'm anal about cleanliness. Carrying a gun for living does that to you.) For that reason, I rarely load and shoot BE powder any more. It's just too dirty.

Unique! !@#$ stuff is so bad that when I used it, I had to often stop and clean the unburned powder from my eyes before I could resume shooting. Did I mention that it meters horribly.

[MtGun44]

While there is a difference in "dirtiness" of powders, it is not any big deal at all.

When I was shooting very large quantities of .45 ACP, I cleaned the gun about every
5000 rounds, but lubed it a few strategic drops every time I shot it.

Irrelevant, in reality.

Bill

[Abenaki]

I shoot a lot of black powder. It is dirty!
This is America.....if you want to cry like a little girl, cause you think that Unique is dirty, you have the right to.
I have the right to smile and and shake my head.

But really, shoot what ya like.....as long as you are shooting some thing, and having a good time!

Take care
Abenaki

[Nickle]

"Dirty powder" - a term generally used by a moron that has no clue what the term really means.

Real use of the term should actually be used by other morons too dumb and lazy to clean their firearms periodically, like after shooting, and especially between relays.

Usage is often used to make the user look more impressively knowledgeable to like minded idiots.

I think using the term "wanker" to describe them is wrong, as people that should be called "wanker" rate better than that. Yup, I find the "self edumacated idjiots" (spelling intentional) that low.

[btroj]

I can't believe that people actually listen to the morons that frequent most gun shops. I just go on my way and ignore them.

[Nickle]

Confucious say man is better keeping mouth shut and world thinking he's an idiot, than opening mouth and removing all doubt.

That fits the morons, and btroj is right on how to deal with them.

One thing to not do is to let them sucker you into a debate. They'll make you drop to their level, then best you with experience. Kind of like dealing with an internet troll. Never feed the trolls. Yeah, I forget that at times.

By the way, there's been no morons, idiots or trolls in this thread. I love this site.

[mikeym1a]

Don't bug me a bit. If 3 powders did everything then they would not have 15-30 to choose from, from each company.

Some are dirty and guns that loose function when dirty can benefit. Some like to shoot but don't like the loud noise. Some want lower muzzle flash. Some want less smoke.

There are valid reasons to want any or all of these benefits.

Unique, 4895, and what else?? :bigsmyl2:

[Charley]

Shoot enough BP, and you won't p**s and moan about those "dirty" smokeless powders. If it's too dirty for you, send it to me, and I'll dispose of it for you.

[Char-Gar]

I think I will leave this thread, for I have well over 1/4 million rounds through various 1911 pistols and every round loaded with bullseye. Countless millions of factory and arsenal loaded rounds have been loaded with Bullseye for a hundred years. The assertion that you have to detail strip a pistol after 200 to 400 rounds because Bulleye is dirty is beyond ridiculous. I wonder where these people come from? If I hang around this thread I will for certain insult somebody.

By now....

[NoZombies]

When this thread has run it course, somebody start another on the ridiculous and childish obsession the popular culture seems to have with zombies and how to kill them. For me, that is at least as irritating as the wankers who want clean powder.

Is that one aimed at me?

Eh, whatever.

~NoZombies~ Who likes clean burning loads so his guns will run, (never had an issue with 1911's, but try running dirty loads in a Reising, I dare ya!) realizes that "zombie" survival culture has something to do with things besides zombies, and doesn't expect social security to be worth much when he retires.

:) ;)

[KYCaster]

Wanker?.....Idiot?......Moron?......Troll????????

It bugs you that somebody has an opinion that's different than yours? You guys just don't get it, do you?

Jerry

[M-Tecs]

I loaded my first round of ammunition in 1968. It was a 45 Colt with Unique. It has been my favorite powder since. Unique is considered a dirty powder. For most rifle, pistol or shotgun loads I could care less if the powder is clean or dirt. However when it comes to my NRA highpower rifles or my prairie dog rifles I look for powders that gives the highest round count before the accuracy starts to fall off.

Common sense would indicate that cleaner burning powders would have a longer accuracy life but I haven’t this to be always true. I have found that different powders behave differently as the round count increases. With some I can detect the groups open in a few a 80 rounds. Some others will go 200 rounds before I can detect accuracy loss.

My favorite prairie dog load will hold ½ moa from 0 to 100 rounds, ¾ moa 100 to 300 rounds and 1 ¼ at 400 rounds. This year I started using a new generation cleaner burning powder. It will hold ½ moa from 0 to 100 rounds but by 200 rounds its 1 ½ moa. So much for cleaner powder.

[MaryB]

Like the guys who won't shoot surplus ammo because it is corrosive and will instantly damage the barrel. Fine by me, means more ammo I can buy :bigsmyl2: shoot all day, come home, a little windex down the barrel, clean normally good to go.

[cbrick]

Just crazy talk. Even 296 is filthy in revolvers and I see no difference between it and 2400 or Unique and my guns might not get the barrels cleaned in a year or two. The only thing I keep clean and lubed is the cylinder pin and ratchet. Wear protection. I wish I could burn my wood stove with "clean" wood!

Exactly!

With my long range revolvers cleaning the bore opens up groups and it takes a minimum of 25 rounds after cleaning to bring back correct sight settings and point of impact. The cylinder and pin however get cleaned and lubed after every time it's shot. The cylinder doesn't get carbon fouled regardless of powder but rather a boolit lube build up and the tolerances in the FA's are tight enough that this lube must be removed or tight chambering results. Longevity of any revolver depends on a clean pin, cylinder and ratchet and properly lubed with a quality lube.

Rick

[ironhead7544]

Certain powders can be dirty but do not stop the gun from working. However, there are certain powders and loads that can stop the gun with even a few shots. With S&W revolvers and 2400 or 296/H110 kernels of powder can get under the extractor. I have had these guns tie up after 1 cylinder full. That would be OK for hunting but bad in a self defense situation. IMR4227 can also give the same problem. AA#9 has given me no problems in this respect.

When I was at the Border Patrol Academy, we used the +P+ 38 Special 110 gr load. That load used a slower powder that would get under the extractor on our S&W M66 revolvers. We were taught to tip the revolver so the extractor was 90 degrees to the ground. That way any unburned powder would fall straight out.

Never had problems with Rugers in this respect.

Nowadays, about all I use is Unique, mainly because it is useful in all my guns. Dirty a little bit but performance makes up for it.

[detox]

Confucious say man that goes to bed with itchy butt wakes up with smelly finger. Let that be a lesson for all of us.

[Lloyd Smale]

dirty powder to me means it shoots so well i kept shooting for hours and my gun got dirty.

[trixter]

Yep, there are "dirty" powders, but not for every day shooters like those that come to Castboolits.com [smilie=s: The guys that dress in their brand new "tactical" duds or "city camo" attire and don't want them to get dirty, and those not acquainted with soap and water usually complain the loudest. I don't wear my white tux when I shoot and I always carry some towels to wipe stuff with (rags) and if I'm outside shooting I usually have water. So, when I'm done shooting, I can clean my hands and face for the drive home where I clean my guns...

You and me both, that is why the air in S Or, is so clean. LOL.

[fredj338]

"Dirty powder" - a term generally used by a moron that has no clue what the term really means.

Real use of the term should actually be used by other morons too dumb and lazy to clean their firearms periodically, like after shooting, and especially between relays.

Usage is often used to make the user look more impressively knowledgeable to like minded idiots.

I think using the term "wanker" to describe them is wrong, as people that should be called "wanker" rate better than that. Yup, I find the "self edumacated idjiots" (spelling intentional) that low.
Wow so you are lazy if you don't stop in the middle of a major match or training & clean your gun huh? Ridiculous. I expect my handguns or rifles to function trouble free for 100s of rounds, even shooting lead bullets. So choice of powder can certainly have an affect on how long the guns stays functional. Nothing wrong with choosing such a powder. Besides, more good guns are ruined from "cleaning" than shooting.

[KYCaster]

"Dirty powder" - a term generally used by a moron that has no clue what the term really means.

Real use of the term should actually be used by other morons too dumb and lazy to clean their firearms periodically, like after shooting, and especially between relays.

Usage is often used to make the user look more impressively knowledgeable to like minded idiots.

I think using the term "wanker" to describe them is wrong, as people that should be called "wanker" rate better than that. Yup, I find the "self edumacated idjiots" (spelling intentional) that low.



Apparently I need to be edjumacated. Could you please tell me what "dirty powder" really means?

Jerry

P.S. This is really only half way intended to be a smart-*** question. I'd really like to know how you define "dirty powder".

[TenTea]

Stay tuned for another exciting episode of: Space Shuttle Door Gunner & Gunshop Commando!

Ima take a powder - see yall later. [smilie=2:

[dragon813gt]

Smokeless powder = dirty? Only someone who has never shot black powder would make such a foolish statement. I will admit that I shoot a lot of W231 and at low levels I get a lot of unburnt powder. But I know this going into it and it's something I deal with. There have been times when I up the charge so it burns completely. But this is at my discretion.

And has anyone shot Winchester white box 9mm ammo over the last few years? That round has left my gun dirtier than any of my reloads. But we all know the manufacturers only use clean burning powders :rolleyes:

[fredj338]

Apparently I need to be edjumacated. Could you please tell me what "dirty powder" really means?

Jerry

P.S. This is really only half way intended to be a smart-*** question. I'd really like to know how you define "dirty powder".
It's all relative. Sure, shoot BP, no smokeless is dirty. Many shooters, particularly older ones, started with one powder & have never tried anything else, so they have little to compare to.
Dirty for me, is a powder that produces a lot of carbon, like BE. Many confuse dirty as leaving unburned powder behind. That is often the fault of the load range chosen, not the powder. Unqiue gets a bad rap for "dirty", often because guys try running light target loads with it. Below midrange pressures, it does leave a lot of unburned powder. Solution, up your charge weight to get over midrange & it shoots pretty clean, or drop to a faster powder if you want to shoot bunnyfart loads.
To each his own on what they choose, but for someone to name call another for wanting a "better" powder choice for them, pretty narrow minded, like Liberal Dem narrow minded.

[KYCaster]

It's all relative. Sure, shoot BP, no smokeless is dirty. Many shooters, particularly older ones, started with one powder & have never tried anything else, so they have little to compare to.
Dirty for me, is a powder that produces a lot of carbon, like BE. Many confuse dirty as leaving unburned powder behind. That is often the fault of the load range chosen, not the powder. Unqiue gets a bad rap for "dirty", often because guys try running light target loads with it. Below midrange pressures, it does leave a lot of unburned powder. Solution, up your charge weight to get over midrange & it shoots pretty clean, or drop to a faster powder if you want to shoot bunnyfart loads.
To each his own on what they choose, but for someone to name call another for wanting a "better" powder choice for them, pretty narrow minded, like Liberal Dem narrow minded.


Thanks for the reply Fred, but I was doin' a little trollin', hopin' to hook a bigun!

For what it's worth, I agree completely with your definition and everything else you've posted on the subject.

It's not unusual to have this discussion with someone who's talking about unburned powder while I'm talking about combustion residue. It can easily lead to some misunderstanding. I was just curious to know which of the two the gentleman meant.

Way back when the new fad in IPSC was red dot sights on compensated guns, the go-to powder was AA7. Guys were constantly wiping soot off the front lens of the sight. On a long stage with the wind in your face you could have trouble seeing the last few targets through the scope. There weren't any better options till VihtaVouri hit the US market with 3N37......HOLEY MOLEY what a difference.....you could actually get through the entire match without having to worry about soot fogged lenses.

That prompted me to look at my sporting clays load. 12 ga. 1 oz. or 1 1/8 oz. at moderate speed with a light charge of Red Dot. After 100 rounds (shots, not complete courses :roll:) the gun AND I, would be covered in soot and occasionally, unburned flakes of powder would foul the trigger group and cause malfunctions. Switched to Clays and now I'm much happier.

Same thing with 38 Spl.....switched from BE to Clays and now I don't have to listen to the GF complain about all the soot.

Went to a pistol match once and a newbie asked me if I'd show him how to disassemble his 1911. I had my cleaning kit and plenty of time so I tore it down on the tail gate and pretty soon I had a fair sized audience watching. NONE of them had ever seen a 1911 completely disassembled......a couple of them had been shooting the same gun for at least 3 years that I know of and I had heard some of them say they cleaned their guns every time they were shot. :shock:

What's up with that? How can you clean a gun if you don't take it apart? How many times have you heard of somebody accidentally shooting their self while cleaning a gun? How can you clean a loaded gun?.....wipe it off with an oily rag?.....I call that wiping it down. I'm fairly consistent about doing that after a range session, but I call it "wiping down", not "cleaning"....and I make sure the gun is unloaded before I start, regardless of what you call it.

So maybe we're on the same page here, just speaking a different language.....but just because we don't share the same opinions, please don't call me names like MORON, IDIOT, TROLL.........well.......maybe I've been known to do a little trollin' from time to time. [smilie=1:

Anyway, I think the name calling is juvenile and uncalled for.

Jerry

[NoZombies]

Thanks Jerry.

[Mallard57]

Why does anyone care what someone else uses or thinks? So what if someone wants their powder to burn a little cleaner.

[Changeling]

All Dirty powders wanted: I will purchase all powders that are considered "DIRTY", just email me with the quanty of that dirty shooting stuff you have and I will send you a price I will pay. Seller of cource pays the shipping to my destination.

Quit messing with that dirty shooting stuff, email me today! This is your last chance to be rid of that crud!

[Dale in Louisiana]

All Dirty powders wanted: I will purchase all powders that are considered "DIRTY", just email me with the quanty of that dirty shooting stuff you have and I will send you a price I will pay. Seller of cource pays the shipping to my destination.

Quit messing with that dirty shooting stuff, email me today! This is your last chance to be rid of that crud!

You, sir, are a truly magnanimous human being. When you run out of money, though, I offer an alternative solution.

I offer to dispose of 'dirty powder'. Just send me a PM, and I will tell you where to ship (you pay) and how much of your money I need to properly dispose of that 'dirty powder'. I expect that if you give me five bucks a pound, plus shipping, I can take care of everybody here.

dale in Louisiana
(mercenary old goat)

[Cadillo]

I think I will leave this thread, for I have well over 1/4 million rounds through various 1911 pistols and every round loaded with bullseye. Countless millions of factory and arsenal loaded rounds have been loaded with Bullseye for a hundred years. The assertion that you have to detail strip a pistol after 200 to 400 rounds because Bulleye is dirty is beyond ridiculous. I wonder where these people come from? If I hang around this thread I will for certain insult somebody.

By now....

We come from a world, where we must trust our very lives to the handgun on our hips every day.

250,000 rounds?

Now that is beyond ridiculous!

If I don't respond to any more of your @#$%, it's because your on my ignore list. Do us both a favor and add me to yours.

Bye now!